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August 25, 2009
In retreat from science fiction
Samuel R. Delany might very well be a great science fiction writer, but I haven't read him, because I don't read science fiction. I don't know how to say something like that without having some readers think I'm bragging about my ignorance, but it's a simple statement of fact, and I don't know how else to put it. Perhaps I should grovel and claim to be ashamed of myself for what I have not read. I'm sorry! (If it's any consolation, I haven't read all of the great books either, and I suck at math, chemistry and physics.) The thing is (and once again, I don't mean to put the man down), what I've read about Delany inclines me to distrust his judgment. Not long ago, I noticed his fantastic claims about sexual escapades, and today I see him lumping global warming deniers with evolution deniers, and even with Holocaust deniers: The current retreat from science in this country--I've already seen several books on the topic -- that the "information explosion" is prompting, coupled with the overload of the usual "epistemological filters" (my own term), is one of the most important and potentially damaging. It manifests itself in everything from denials of global warming and its effects, denials of evolution, the -- by the same process -- denials of the Holocaust, and the rise of fundamentalisms -- as well as the superceding of science fiction by fantasy fiction. I believe all are facets of a single trend, in which increased population and the failure of social benefits to keep up with them on several levels are the greatest drivers.So, if you're an AGW skeptic, you're part of the same "retreat from science" that opposes Darwin, denies the Holocaust, reads "fantasy fiction" (now why pick on that?) and takes the Bible literally -- all because of the "failure of social benefits." (Did Michael Crichton know he was part of the fundamentalist retreat?) With all due respect to Mr. Delany (who may well be one of the world's greatest writers), his fantastic claims do not incline me to buy his books. Even if I did decide to start reading science fiction. posted by Eric on 08.25.09 at 02:40 PM
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There are many who seem to be rejecting science. IMO that is not what most of them are doing. It is really a political stance. They are rejecting government as Totem, the only God. Science is seen as endlessly advocating bigger government. And bigger government is seen a step to total government. An Orwellian world. They are rejecting what they see as living death. Life as a mindless zombie. And that only until the masters no longer need a mindless zombie. The day when science will have perfected the means of controlling thought and government will use it.
K · August 25, 2009 04:43 PM In the 60s and 70s, I was reading Herman Wouk and James Michener. About 10 years ago I read several Heinlein books so I'd know what some people were talking about -- the same reason I finally read Atlas Shrugged. Heinlein and Rand were horrible writers. It was painful reading. SiaSL was one of the worst. Starship Troopers was OK. This is the first I've ever heard of Delany and it doesn't inspire me to want to know more. Donna B. · August 25, 2009 05:34 PM Popular science has always been thought to be correct, however history has proven popular science of any past period to be totally wrong or deeply flawed. Hugh · August 25, 2009 06:20 PM Chip Delany has written some amazing work. For a novella-size introduction to his writing, I would suggest: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_Considered_as_a_Helix_of_Semi-Precious_Stones Fritz · August 25, 2009 07:21 PM Chip Delany is a brilliant writer, but he also has some very silly opinions. He is a self-described Marxist who has said all kinds of foolish things who traveled behind the iron curtain and never seemed to have anything bad to say about the communist regimes. He has asserted all sorts of things that aren't true, such as that European explorer' stories of cannibalism are just part of the racist Western view of non-white people? He just dismissed all the evidence of what the Aztecs and others did. pst314 · August 27, 2009 10:49 PM Oh--and one more point: Delany has written several fantasy novels, the first of which was Tales of Neveryon. I think his real complaint is that most fantasy is emphatically NOT Marxist. pst314 · August 27, 2009 10:52 PM As for his claim for such an astoundingly high number of sexual partners, I have no way to know if it is true. However, he has said many times that he liked to cruise for sex in places like gay bars, back rooms of porn bookstores and other seedy Times Square places and that he had been doing this since the sixties. A recent interview mentioned that he wrote a book (Times Square Red Times Square Blue?) about this side of his life and that he felt that casual sex with lots of strangers was a good and healthy thing. pst314 · August 27, 2009 10:57 PM Just because Delany takes himself very seriously is no reason why anyone else should. Bleepless · August 29, 2009 10:35 PM Post a comment
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I do read sci-fi, a lot, but I've never read his books. I'm gonna guess he's not hard sci-fi or military sci-fi, my two preferred fields.
This wouldn't change my mind on reading him, I long ago accepted that most people who entertain me don't think too much of me.
Say la vee.
I pay them for their entertainment, not their political, social or scientific beliefs.
I do prefer it when they shut up, but that's just my opinion. They want me to shut up too.
I will say I'm surprised you've never read Stranger in a Strange Land. It was sort of a big hippy deal in the 60s and 70s. I thought it was de rigeur to read it.
The 5th grade history teacher at my Catholic grade school was a friend of the family and he was a hippy. Tripped for the Beatles at Shea and I'm sure he was at Woodstock hippy. We lived near Woodstock, NY, about 60 miles from Bethel.
I wasn't in 5th grade yet when he gave me SiaSL, all the hippies wanted to be Valentine Michael Smith, (super) human raised on Mars who preached peace, love and brotherhood.
What he didn't plan on was that I would want to be Jubal Harshaw, cynical old man who knows people and has a very low opinion of same. Except for the few he chose to associate with, he wanted the world to leave him alone and was very big on personal responsibility and understanding your own motives and yourself.
My mother ran into the teacher a few years ago and told him I was a conservative. She said he was shocked and dismayed.
I'm glad I didn't see him. I respect him as much as I respect any human being and I would have had to tell him one of the main reasons I'm conservative is because I've been trying to be Jubal Harshaw my whole life.
In other words, thanks to him.
I also wouldn't like to have seen him as a Bush lied people died person.