Pole dancing is commonly associated with sex and dirty dancing. The little girls toys as a pole dancer is to make it glamourous to little girls and sexualizes little children.We have enough pedopholia not to encourage more. That is why if a toy manufacturer that targets children as its market thinks it ok to market poledancer dolls to little girls, their morals have fallen.

Now we can hope there is no market.

I have childern and I was constantly surprised how teenage girls at a private school aspired to the heights of being a whore or slut. Generally being a whore, slut or prostiture is a very low social class. It genersally means that the female has no other skills other than her body to sell.

Now there are expensive call girls that are educated and find prostiitution is a profitable way to make a living, but they are small in number compared to the street girls who have a short and brutal life.

The doll, if it's a real toy, looks like something aimed at four to seven year olds. Most toys for that age group are purchased by adults. If this is a real thing, and you don't want your daughter to play with it, don't buy it. I have done no research, but like our host Eric, think this is a hoax.

High school girls who aspire to whore and slutdom, especially upper middle class girls, are most likely doing so out of rebellion. I seriously doubt the girls anonymous writes about are wanting to become actual prostitutes. Dressing like a skanky ho probably gets quite a rise out of the parental units. YMMV however.

I don't have any children in the public school system, and I am a libertarian, but even I was weirded out by the latest Obama stunt.

Seen by itself, Obama's speech to the kids isn't particularly troubling. However, evaluate the entire exercise in its proper context. First, we have the long-winded, vapid speeches that manage to pack a whole lot of nothing into marathon sessions (think Castro and Chavez). Second, there is the messianic narrative and iconography peddled by his followers (think Jesus). Third, we have the evident narcissism of the man (think Mussolini). (I mean, seriously, what normal person do you know who sticks his nose so far up in the air when talking to people?) When seen in this context, conservatives can be excused for getting a "Dear Leader" vibe from the whole thing.

This guy's credibility is shot to hell, so many people are now suspicious of EVERYTHING this man does. That includes me, by the way: If Obama told me the sky was blue, I'd have to look out the window -- twice.

I have an 8 y/o grand daughter, that I am raising. I have never allowed her to watch tv other than Disney and Nick Jr. Where I made my mistakes is not watching them with her the last few years, as I did previously. I Carly, Hannah Montana, Jonas Brothers are her favorite programs...gone are Dora and Sponge Bob. I didn't really pay attention (my big error) to until about the last year when she asked for DVDs of them. I decided before I bought them that I would watch the programs on TV. I was surprised that they were shows for teens and they were on so early on our cable system.

I watched them and for teens I would say that they are OK, not good, but just OK. But for my sweet Sarah at 8, they were inappropiate and I should not have been allowing her to watch them.

Also worth a mention is the stuff she brings home from school from other students. Hip-Hop, dance steps and moves more suited to strip clubs, phrases and words that no kid should be saying let alone an 8 year old.

OH...one shock from the School. She was in a Church/School Play (as in a church somewhat like the one Obama claimed he never listened to) and the dance and song that they had these young 7-8-9 year olds doing was straight off the hip-hop MTV streets.

I never even considered that stuff would be happening under school and church supervision.

I talked to the principle and she said it was just the way things were "NOW".

If I could afford it and was able, she would be home schooled. As it is I have to just make sure I talk with her and try and instill values that will somehow...maybe...protect her.

Papa Ray
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OH... when one of her girlfriends was over for a sleep-over I caught them on the computer looking at teen porn. She was suitability punished and I wanted to know how she got by the security I had set up for that and she said she didn't know because her friend did it.

8 Years Old....

Like my Dad and his Dad said:

"The world is going to Hell in a handbasket!!"

Papa Ray

I forgot to include this about Obama's speech to the kids.

I tried counting the number of times he said "I" and gave up at fifty.

And his extortionist manner for them to study and do something when they grew up were OK, until I read this paragraph:

"You’ll need the knowledge and problem-solving skills you learn in science and math to cure diseases like cancer and AIDS, and to develop new energy technologies and protect our environment. You’ll need the insights and critical thinking skills you gain in history and social studies to fight poverty and homelessness, crime and discrimination, and make our nation more fair and more free. You’ll need the creativity and ingenuity you develop in all your classes to build new companies that will create new jobs and boost our economy."

Yea, what kind of jobs to boost our economy? If you read that paragraph, it sounds like a community organizer's job or a government worker's job or some "Green" Company that can suck Nanny's tit to stay in business.

hahaha, Eric, you are the best. I'm in favor of everyone else's daughter sucking cock.

To all those who feel morality can be legislated-- fuck off.

dr kill: yours, presumably? But not appropriate for your own daughter? Some might call that hypocrisy...

Me? Oh, I have no objection to any of this. Morality can in fact be legislated - you see this happen in theocracies all over the world all over time - you are better off asking whether it *should*.

Here's an idea: legalise prostitution. And lower the age of legal accountability (including consent, trial as adult, drinking, joining the army, entering workforce etc) to 13. Back in the mid-90s, the 14-17 age group committed almost 30% of all homicides. Maybe we're doing adolescents a disservice by simultaneously treating them both as kids and adults, and we should stop.

Civilization is always ready to fall. It takes a lot of maintenance to keep it going.

The real threat is when a significant part of Western Civilization is actively working for the fall of that civilization.

And those actively working for the fall? Those who do not understand economics. Those who do not understand that energy is the foundation of civilization. i.e. mostly lefties.

The extent to which morality is an individual thing or a communitarian thing seems to be in dispute. (To a communitarian, whether I am immoral is determined not by what I do, but by what I would have others do.)

I'm skeptical of the view that sex makes civilizations fall.

Papa Ray,

I generally took a hands off approach to raising my kids. No internet filters ever.

#2 Son Graduate of the University of Chicago with Honors.
#3 Son Studying Electronic Engineering
#1 Daughter Studying Engineering (hasn't picked a major)

#1 Son has some major medical problems

My kids turned out fine (the closest my daughter ever came to slut-wear was a modestly low cut top on Prom Night).

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My theory - unless a child has been molested the idea of sex (before puberty) disgusts them. After puberty you can't stop them. I also think masturbation is superior to insemination. YMMV.

Morality can in fact be legislated - you see this happen in theocracies all over the world all over time

And such legislation is essential in creating black markets.

M. Simon: Which I also don't have a major problem with, really. Black markets, I mean. Not the most efficient method of allocating resources, though. Actually, I was just going OCD over grammar.

And believe me, unless I as a guy underwent puberty at the age of six, children are NOT necessarily disgusted by sex (or idea thereof) before puberty. Of course, back then I was shooting blanks, but still...