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October 16, 2008
Careful what you ask for....
We are all against child pornography, right? Society deems people who send or receive [or possess] kiddie porn to be so evil and beneath contempt that we have laws punishing them with long prison terms, regardless of circumstances. The statutory scheme imposes (here in Michigan and in many other places) strict criminal liability for possession of any depiction of "sexually explicit conduct" involving a child (defined as a person under 18). Ditto, federal law. What is "sexually explicit conduct"? Obviously, it includes all those things suggested by common sense. But additionally, the federal and state child pornography laws inject an element of nonsense, by defining "sexually explicit conduct" as including including: graphic or simulated lascivious exhibition of the genitals or pubic area of any person;So, if a girl takes a picture of herself in the nude on her cell phone and sends it to her boyfriend (obviously, in the hope that he'll like it), why, both she and the boyfriend -- along with anyone else they might forward the message to -- are state and federal felons, looking at big prison terms. You think I'm kidding, right? Unfortunately, I'm not. The only reason I wrote this blog post was that the issue was staring at me this morning as I tried to drink my morning coffee, and I couldn't ignore it: It started as a summertime joke by a Pinckney Community High School freshman, a push on the "send" button of a camera cell phone delivering a nude photo of herself to a couple of her girlfriends.Frankly, I'm aghast. Obviously, sending a nude photo on a cell phone is not a wise thing for a 14 year old to do. But is this the kind of thing ordinary people think of as kiddie porn? I don't think so. But if the laws say it is, the laws need to be changed. "Sexually explicit acts" should be defined as acts, not as nudity. It's not as if there weren't warnings about the consequences of criminalizing child nudity. Back in 2000, Salon.com piece (titled "Is this child pornography? -- American photo labs are arresting parents as child pornographers for taking pictures of their kids in the bath") analyzed a number of these cases, and concluded: there is no way to differentiate -- legally -- between a family snapshot of a naked child and child pornography.At times like this, I'm glad I don't have a child. However, I do feel sorry for those who have to live in fear of the state simply because they had kids they can't police 24 hours a day, and I'd hate to think that laws like this might discourage parenting. Perhaps that's why the Free Press, in its infinite wisdom, refrained from using the phrase "child pornography" or "kiddie porn." But that hasn't stopped the commenters, some of whom are demanding the girl be prosecuted! Sounds like this girl was involved with the creation and distribution of child porn...that is a crime the last time I checked. It is not just some "joke" or "mistake."And: She even attended the Homecoming Dance? Hello - parents? Ever hear of grounding your kid? Make her accountable for her actions - which are causing trouble for a couple hundred others? And I agree with NYPD15thSquad - charges should be filed against the girl. I bet if a male student had taken a pic of his penis charges would have been filed by now.Hear hear! Predictably, another reader makes a "fairness" argument: Since a bunch of boys will most likely become registered sex offenders over this, will the girl who originally sent the picture of herself be charged with manufacturing and distributing child pornography? Or will she be portrayed as the poor "victim"? Any bets?The law is the law is an ass. I feel sorry for parents, and for the children. Fortunately, the government has not criminalized either the nude pictures -- or the sexually explicit pictures -- I have taken of Coco. (Although I was accused of dog pornography, charges were never filed. Coco is over 18 in dog years.) Actually I'm not sure my attempt at "doggie porn" humor works (even though a dog is a rat is a pig is a boy), because while I can laugh derisively at the idiocy of zero tolerance puritan zeal, there are real victims involved here. Parents and child victims. Not of the "kiddie porn," but of the law. I said "the law is an ass" in imitation of Dickens, but now I'm realizing that might be taken as suggestive or immoral. So I'll just say the law is sick. NOTICE TO COMMENTERS: Anyone who might want to leave a comment, be careful with the word "porn" because the anti-spam feature will not allow comments with that word. However, if you substitute a zero -- "0" for the letter "O" -- it should go through. (I say this because I've gotten emails before about the problem, and there's not much I can do about it.) posted by Eric on 10.16.08 at 09:39 AM
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The Child Pr0n (hereinafter CP) laws seem to be overcompensation for the ease with which other antipr0n laws have evanesced. Since the first amendment apparently trumps local standards, legislators are reduced to saying, OK, *here's* some pr0n we are *really serious about*! And of course, the law is a blunt instrument (no, ahem, pun--or pr0n--intended). We can all agree that parents taking pix of their kids in the bath aren't CP. We might even agree that nude pix of 15-year-old girls aren't CP (though in some sense that requires a whole separate discussion, concerning the difference between paedophilia and ephebophilia). So what can (and should) we ban? Surely even very libertarian people would agree that pix of kids with objects inserted into their various orifices might rise to the level of CP? What is the standard when we live in a world of cell phone cams? Where we are each our own Robert Mapplethorpe? David Hecht · October 16, 2008 10:09 AM Good points, but M. Simon raised the issue of doggie depositions (as opposed to dog deposits). The legal precedent is clear on this; before an animal can be deposed, a summons must be issued! And if the animal ignores it, the case may be dismissed! http://www.duhaime.org/LegalResources/LawFun/LawArticle-43/Law-Hodgepodge.aspx in the late 1500s, a case was brought against certain rats which had infested homes in a certain village. The local defense lawyer argued that the rats of the entire village should be summoned. This bought some time as a plea was issued summoning all the rats in the village to attend upon the court on the day named in the summons. Again, the rats failed to appear and the lawyer explained that this was a matter requiring great preparation and that his clients would need more time. When the rats failed to appear the third time, the lawyer said that his clients were more then prepared to come but that they were fearful that local cats might not allow them to make it all the way to the courthouse. The case was struck from the court's agenda. Eric Scheie · October 16, 2008 10:16 AM Can I say p0rn? Just testing. p0rn kingpin · October 16, 2008 10:22 AM It would seem sensible that charging her with some minor offense would be appropriate, and ditto for whoever forwarded it. Proportionality should rule. As to the door this would open to underage people trying to make money on their own pictures, or someone trying to make money off them, I would think escalating charges for multiple offenses or money changing hands would cover that. Assistant Village Idiot · October 16, 2008 10:31 AM What's amusing is that it's very likely that this very same school has been teaching this very same girl about "changes" to her body, and what they mean. In other words "We'll tell you about what your boobs do to boys, but don't you dare try it, or we'll punish any boys who see them!" brian · October 16, 2008 10:59 AM There is an easy solution to bad law and the idiots who say the law is the law. It is called jury nullification. That is why we have juries in the first place. One purpose of the jury is to act as a check on prosecutors, judges and the state. Jurors may vote not just on the facts of the case under the law but, also, on the law itself. In the first hundred fifty years of our republic that was an accepted fact of american jurisprudence. Jurors were instructed to consider their conscience as well as the facts. In the last seventy five years arrogant judges and legislatures have attacked the idea of jury nullification. Judges now tell jurors that they may only consider the facts of the case. In some jurisdictions it is considered contempt of court if it appears you are considering something other than the facts of the case. Jardinero1 · October 16, 2008 11:18 AM Initially, child pron laws were to protect children from abuse. Over the last few decades, it has evolved to focus on the recipient--does it give pleasure--with the actual child all but forgotten. So today pictures that were not considered pron at the time they were taken can land a person in jail for deviance. There are parents in jail for taking picutres of their children in the bathtub. Paul Reubens was brought down by buying pron in bulk at an auction and it turned out later that there were a handful of underage models in the box--again, picutres that wer enot considered pron at the time the pictures were taken. We also have politicians trying to outlaw pron using adult models posing as underage and cartoons or "simulated" underage pron. About a month ago, I sent some pictures of my two-month old daughter to family and close friends. In one picture she was in the bathtub and no less than three different people wrote back to warn about child pron laws. They were joking, but not really--and she was two months old! This is puritanism at its ugliest because it has nothing to do with protecting children anymore. In fact, I'd argue (have argued) that it sexualizes children, teaching all of us to see children as sexual objects even if we were not inclined to view them that way. And in doing so, places children at greater danger than they would be absent this insane response. tim maguire · October 16, 2008 12:17 PM Tim, nothing proves your point more than the laws probibiting depictions of images which only look like kiddie p0rn (i.e. "virtual" CP). Which means not only computer generated images, but even adult p0rn could be illegal -- if the models look like "children." (Meaning that if a 19 year old "looks like" a 17-year old, it's prison time!) The Supreme Court struck some of this down, but there's a major push to bring it back in another form. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashcroft_v._Free_Speech_Coalition Eric Scheie · October 16, 2008 1:21 PM Post a comment |
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Ah. But is CoCo capable of giving informed consent? The victim needs to be deposed.