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November 23, 2010
A "right" that puts an end to rights
I keep reading about how New Jersey wants to pass new legislation against bullying. In the news today I read about an "Anti-Bullying Bill of Rights" but the articles were short on details, so I had to look for the text, which I found here. Most of the very long bill deals with restrictions on who the schools can employ, along with innumerable new training requirements, reporting requirements, requirements that schools hire "anti-bullying specialists" who shall investigate any reported act of bullying, etc. As to what it is that constitutes bullying, the bill adds electronic communications: "Electronic communication" means a communication transmitted by means of an electronic device, including, but not limited to, a telephone, cellular phone, computer, or pager;So I guess if a boy says "Girls are stupid!" then he's committed two offenses, and the specialists will have to do a thorough investigation and issue reams of reports on paper pulverized from endangered arboreal dells. Of course, I am not a student in the New Jersey public school system, so I don't need to be personally worried about this particular bill. What I find more ominous is a Republican-sponsored (I checked; yes they are) bill to change New Jersey's harassment law, the text of which is here. It adds "communication which is made anonymously or otherwise by means of an electronic communication device" to the existing definition of harassment, which is a criminal offense: This bill amends the existing harassment statute; N.J.S.2C:33-4, to criminalize cyber-harassment which occurs when offenders use the Internet or other forms of electronic communication to commit these offenses.So, anything that I might say at an "inconvenient hour" -- or anything that an anonymous commenter might say any time -- could subject me to criminal prosecution in New Jersey, if what is said is deemed "likely to cause annoyance or alarm." (Were I a more fearless bigot, I'd say "Wake up you stupid New Jersey morons!") That's a pretty broad definition of harassment. And I don't have to be in New Jersey to violate the law. Any blog post I might write here in Ann Arbor, or any comment left here on my blog from anywhere in the world, could subject me to criminal prosecution in New Jersey: A communication under subsection a. of this section includes, but is not limited to, the posting of a photographic images or other descriptive material on an Internet website, or the sending of a telephonic message, electronic mail, text message or similar type of electronic message or communication, by means of an electronic communication device. "Electronic communication device" includes, but is not limited to, a telephone, cellular telephone, computer, computer network, computer system, video recorder, facsimile machine or pager. A communication under subsection a. may be deemed to have been made either at the place where it originated or at the place where it was received.Am I allowed to say that the bill and its authors suck? Can I PhotoShop pictures of their Orwellian faces onto certain favored barnyard animals in order to make my point? Or, how about criticizing New Jersey drivers? (I have done just that on this blog!) Who decides what is "likely to cause annoyance or alarm"? Does anyone know what an annoyance is? And what if I am annoyed by a comment that someone leaves? Would I be allowed to bring charges? And if you think that's outrageous, suppose I answer a commenter in a manner which he finds annoying. Have we not both violated the law if either I or the commenter posts or reads it in New Jersey? I worry that the country is headed towards a ridiculous state of affairs in which no one has any rights because everyone has the right not to be annoyed. I have written a couple of posts about this, but I thought the proposition was so ridiculous on its face as to not merit serious consideration. In one such post, I asked whether I imposed upon PETA when I ate pork (an "offense" I openly admitted in my blog). It never even occurred to me that PETA activists might be able to complain that because I had offended them, I was guilty of the crime of harassment. Perhaps this isn't as funny as I thought. Not only do I tend to take freedom of speech for granted, but it has always struck me as patently ridiculous that my right to conduct my personal life as I see fit (along with my right to express opinions about it) cannot reasonably be seen as interfering with the rights of anyone else, unless I require them to do something. Last night I amused myself by sarcastically quoting John Stuart Mill in a selective manner: ...it is the absolute social right of every individual, that every other individual shall act in every respect exactly as he ought; that whosoever fails thereof in the smallest particular, violates my social right, and entitles me to demand from the legislature the removal of the grievance.While the above is Mill speaking, I deliberately Dowdified him for humorous effect. Perhaps not everyone got it. Mill said the above not to agree with it, but in order to attack it. In light of the expansion of the "right" not to be offended, I thought I should supply the whole Mill quote, which was emailed to me by a friend. So here it is: A theory of "social rights" [is] nothing short of this-that it is the absolute social right of every individual, that every other individual shall act in every respect exactly as he ought; that whosoever fails thereof in the smallest particular, violates my social right, and entitles me to demand from the legislature the removal of the grievance. So monstrous a principle is far more dangerous than any single interference with liberty; there is no violation of liberty which it would not justify; it acknowledges no right to any freedom whatever...The doctrine ascribes to all mankind a vested interest in each other's moral, intellectual, and even physical perfection, to be defined by each claimant according to his own standard.Because we all have the right not to be offended, none of us has the right to offend. Mill is right. There is no better way to get rid of all freedom than to do it in the name of "rights." posted by Eric on 11.23.10 at 10:26 AM
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They are harassing me with these stupid laws! Karen · November 23, 2010 03:35 PM There is no better way to get rid of all freedom than to do it in the name of "rights."
There is no better way to get rid of all freedom than to do it in the name of "individual rights." flenser · November 23, 2010 06:11 PM I thought the Mill piece was sarcasm from the get go. Evidently I lack imagination. Because I couldn't imagine it being anything but sarcasm. flenser, Collective rights are so much more efficient. M. Simon · November 23, 2010 07:09 PM Collective rights are so much more efficient. No, not really. If you really want to control every last aspect of peoples lives you have to profess a concern for individual rights. That allows you to intervene in interactions between people at the individual level, rather than merely at the group level. If the group in question is made up of all black males, or all white women, then the theory of collective rights does not allow for government involvement. But when the government is the protector of the rights of every last individual in the country, against the actions of every other individual in the country, then there's nothing government cannot do. flenser · November 23, 2010 07:37 PM it is the absolute social right of every individual, that every other individual shall act in every respect exactly as he ought People of all political stripes believe this, for different values of what other people "ought" do. Libertarians have a lengthy "ought" list - for instance, other people ought not enact laws against pornography, other people ought to vote for lower taxes ..... flenser · November 23, 2010 07:56 PM @flenser: Not at all. You are conflating believing that there are things people ought and ought not do -- which indeed everyone holds -- with believing that coercion is justified in enforcing all those moral oughts. Mill himself, for instance, held (roughly) that only actions that harm other people without their consent can legitimately be punished. He did not hold that he, or anyone else, had the right to coerce you to in every respect do what you ought. That italicized clause is crucial. You ought not to be drunk and lazy, for instance, but no one (in his view, and in mine) has the right to force you to be sober and industrious. Or to take a bath as often as you ought, for that matter. It's more complicated than that, but those complications don't change the fact that your claim is just false; it's not the case that everyone seeks to enforce their views of what other people ought to do to anything like the same extent. The fact that everyone demands forcing you to do some things you ought, such as refraining from murder, is true, but it doesn't show what you claim it does. DJ · November 23, 2010 11:22 PM M. Simon · November 24, 2010 05:30 AM Just before each WSU Cougar home basketball game, the arena announcer reads a statement about acceptable behavior and it includes a line about no "sexist comments". I like the Cougs a lot, but some games I'm afraid I could be kicked out for hollering out that they are "playing like a bunch of girls." John PomeroyOnThePalouse · November 24, 2010 04:02 PM You are conflating believing that there are things people ought and ought not do -- which indeed everyone holds -- with believing that coercion is justified in enforcing all those moral oughts.
The principled libertarian position would be to not participate in our evil majoritarian process of self-government at all. flenser · November 24, 2010 07:48 PM He (Mill) did not hold that he, or anyone else, had the right to coerce you to in every respect do what you ought.
That any one of them feels aggrieved by the policy of the common ruler is sufficient to determine another to support that policy. Even if all are aggrieved, none feel that they can rely on the others for fidelity in a joint resistance; the strength of none is sufficient to resist alone, and each may reasonably think that it consults its own advantage most by bidding for the favour of the government against the rest. Mill, On Representative Government. flenser · November 24, 2010 08:06 PM Every Progglodyte policy creates a hostile environment for everyone else. Life sentences would be appropriate. Brett · November 26, 2010 03:49 PM Post a comment
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