They really should beware of trying to bring this golem to life. If they think it's worthwhile to kill those they believe are against their warmenist cause... what's to stop the other side from saying that they're the blight on humanity, and use the fellows from TPM as convienant carbon-based fuel for the death factories?

Therein lies the problem with the breakdown of civil discourse. When you treat the other as more than just an opponent, but both as enemy and as non-human, it won't be long before some of them view you the same way.

don't argue with insane people

It's a horrible and slippery slope, Anonymous - I've begun to call it "otherism" - this awful dehumanization of someone you disagree with, on anything, from global warming/climate change to Tea Partiers. It starts with denigration, and moves through the "why don't these people just die already!" to ... at worst, ensuring that the the "other" dies. Or at least, looking the other way when it happens.

Sgt. Mom,

We already do it with drug users.

In How To Put An End To Drug Users I explain the progression.

While "death factory" is obviously a bit overstated in describing a coal-fired power plant, "Dirt Burner" fits quite well.

NewRouter had it right - don't bother arguing with the insane.

If something like this DID come about, sign me up for the Skeptic Liberation Front.

I had a recent commentor note that the first sd for IQ was 15 points.
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Sgt Mom, at what point is it logical to conclude that Leftists are incompatible with liberty and won't stop trying to enslave us unless they are stopped by force? And then act on it?

SDN,

I don't think we have exhausted the ballot box yet.

I don't know, OregonGuy - but I suspect that each of us will recognize that point very clearly as soon as it arrives.

Would that be the ballot box surrounded by Black Panthers with clubs? Or the one stuffed by ACORN and validated by a Soros project elected Secretary of State?

SDN,

They can't steal it if we get enough votes. People notice.

There's a brilliant essay, not online anywhere, by William Gass (a sort of aesthete of the Holocaust, as a rhetorical-psychological event), called "The Origin of Extermination in the Imagination," where he lays out a very plausible chain of ideas stretching from discomfort with something (anything) outside the self to the will to destroy those who embody the not-self.

Our politics seems to be wavering (or transitioning) between two links in that chain now (and timely referents will leap to mind): "[They, the others] refuse to couch their consciousness in my language," and "[They] continue in their stubbornness to insist, while being stepped on even, on their superiority to my shoes."

Those two are very near the end.

guy,

My link at January 7, 2010 05:42 PM is based on that analysis (third hand).

Sign me up. But I'll go postal just before the trial. Where does Gore live again?

Sign me up for the camps as well, I'm a three-fer .... Jewish, a denier, and an intellectual (BS in geophysical engineering and MBA).

Wow, that video was really interesting! I read 1st and expected her presentation to be calling for my (not skeptical, but rather complete denier) kind.

Great clip about a topic I've always found interesting. There are few topics about which humans are more irrational than weather. You might want to read some Rene Girard about how bad weather leads to scapegoating and accusation -- wether we look at classical literature, myth, actual history, or the New York Times reports of drought in Africa. (Not to mention AGW conferences.) Girard recently said that with the advent of concern about global warning, we've re-entered the frame of mind that was universal before the relatively recent rise of the scientific method: that weather is affected by the morality of human behavior. So, in my view, we need to be extremely skeptical about moral accusations and be exactingly scientific in our analysis if we are to avoid a reinvention of the moral panics of the past.

Old superstitions and prejudices replaced by new superstitions and prejudices. Progress!

What I don't understand is the entire issue of global warming does not have to exist at all. The advocates of AGW have made their position clear. Humans have caused AGW and must stop burning fossil fuels. They now need to complete the thought with what we must do to replace the fossil fuels and finish the argument. I propose the rapid, massive, world-wide development of fast-reactor nuclear power plants. They have essentially none of the negatives of the slow-reactor plants in service now. They consume almost all the nuclear fuel, don't produce weapons-grade waste, can use the current nuclear waste as fuel and thus dispose of almost all the accumulated waste. The opponents of AGW can, and generally do, buy into the same program. Such a source of power is a great investment and will support the coming conversion to electric cars, eliminating our dependence on foreign oil.

Sign me up too: Jewish, AGW skeptic, Ph.D. plus equivalent of another, and working in a stereotypical "New Class" profession. A four-fer!

That's one side to it, willis. But there are a lot of fringe believers in the AGW debate that decides that we must implement 1 child policy or stop reproducing altogether, that we must shut down every means of power production that has even 1 ounce of carbon dioxide, etc. It's unacceptable and I am a firm believer of technology that will prevail over neutering ourselves. They do not believe that and believe we must neuter humanity at all cost. The day they start taking force into their own hands will be the day they start dying by the bundles. People will refuse by force to accept these ideas. After all, the Declaration of Independence should still hold true today that we have the right to the pursuit of happiness and no one should ever get in that way, not even AGW advocates. I'm tired of this debate and it's irrelevant. I agree with you that nuclear power is the best alternative to this but these same people refuses to entertain that idea.

These are sick SOBs

Oh, put me on the list while you're at it. Will I need more ammunition, or are 4,000 rounds enough?

I'll believe AGW is even worth discussing when the proponents act like it is real. We all know what they say about talk, and I'm not at all interested in what "you" think "I" need to do.

MarkD, not enough unfortunately. You'll take down at best 40 at most. They come in swarms.

What's the big deal? Primitive cultures have always made sacrifices to the gods in the hopes of influencing the weather. But usually, even they are advanced enough in their reasoning skills to wait until the weather is actually --- you know ---- bad.

But by all means let's kill all of the skeptics. Why would science need skepticism? Let's keep only the most credulous scientists. What possible downside could such actions ever have?

So shouldn't we start punishing THEM now?"

Hey, if he's a decent shot 4k rounds should take a LOT more than 40; we're not talking about fighting trained infantry, here.

And MikeSliver? That MBA might slip past as 'intellectual' for them, though I doubt it. But that engineering thing? Actually BUILDING things? Why, that's practical and hard science stuff, and I don't think that's counted as 'intellectual' by these people. Now, if you had a degree in pre-Columbian pot-throwing...

The correct point to start imprisoning/killing those who oppose your views is the the point at which it becomes clear that no-one will take you seriously otherwise.

Lessee, we have what amounts to a global religion ("environmentalism") with a large core of fanatics who want to control every aspect of your life ("carbon footpring"), and want to kill anyone who opposes it ("deniers").

Hmm. Reminds me some other group of nutbags we've had to deal with lately, I can't quite remember the name, it's on the tip of my tongue...

This "death to skeptics" rant dates back to 2008, inspired by death-eaters such as Ehrlich, Holdren, Singer from 1968 and earlier.

As certified Luddite sociopaths, Climate Cultists and their greenie-weenie pilot-fish would like nothing better than to do an Ozymandias on post-Enlightenment industrial civilization. Their homicidal nihilist Salafi-Wahabist affinities are showing through.

Should Ayers, Farrakhanists like Wright and his Black Supremacist Church of the G*d Damn, mewling Statists in Reid/Pelosi-crat mold, come at you waving their Red Books, we suggest a suitably warm welcome in .45-caliber mode. People are not as helpless or as stupid as these reptiles think.

"MarkD, not enough unfortunately. You'll take down at best 40 at most. They come in swarms."

You don't understand the definition of victory for a single individual against a swarm: If you kill one before they get you, you're even; more than one and you win. Forty would be an epic victory. I'd happily settle for that against a swarm of Warminstas.

"So when the right wing fucktards have caused it to be too late to fix the problem".

Ah, take a chill pill, dude (dudette?). You're the people who think there is a problem, you fix it. For instance, howz about parking the private jet? Stop jet-setting around the world attending meetings about how horrible global warming is. Park the limo and fleets of your security team's SUVs. Demolish the mansion, and put up a yert to live in. Etc.

The only problem we need to fix right now is shoveling all this global warming off my driveway here in northern Florida.

Death to the unbelievers. That's always been the liberal way, ultimately.

I hope they realize that if they actually somehow manage to do this successfully, that there will be a Civil War right? Actions and reactions and all that?

Let's make a deal with the liberals, if either (a) after full disclosure of all raw data, all adjustments and all computer code they convince 90% of the scientists AGW is real and will cause world "devasting consequences" or (b) the AGW models accurately predict the AGW for the first quarter of this century, they can shoot me. If neither of these occur, I get to shoot them.

"Sigh"

These asshole are going to make me go broke buying guns and ammo.

"What I don't understand is the entire issue of global warming does not have to exist at all."

What you need to understand Jim is that the climate is not their real agenda. They are simply part of a cabal that wants set itself up as the gatekeepers for virtually all economic activity. They are not interested in any solutions that actually accomplish anything other than that. They will not be reasoned with. They are not interested in deals. They want absolute control of your life, my life and everyone's life. They will not rest until they achieve it.

The only solution to this problem (which is political and economic, not scientific) is to destroy their credibility to the point where they are forced to retreat back into the shadows with the other cockroaches (where they have always existed and will always exist). If they are permitted to win, get ready to freeze in the dark (if you do not starve first).

When you want to kill people who don't believe in your fairy tale you must really be afraid of the truth.

To all you people arguing left/right BS, the wealthy scumbag elite love you for falling for the stupid false dichotomy they've created to divide and conquer you morons.

Leftists = retarded fetuses.

It's comforting they support mass abortion. It will be more fun using their own paradigm against them.

"At what point do we jail or execute global warming deniers."

it is one of the coldest winters in the past 40-50 years.

hockey stick?
gone.

the same people who were "denying" cloud cover, ocean currents, sunspot activity, and any other cyclical or random event which destroys their projections, are in the process of scrambling to offer up these reasons to explain their fantasies...

as for the above quote?
these digital "green shirts" are destined to leave the largest skidmarks possible on their way down the toilet.

the person who made this quote is like a corn niblet floating on the water. it might take a couple more flushes, and gallons of water, but it is time and water well spent.

If I was President, I would like to go on TV with Al Gore and James Hansen. I would explain that they have shown me the necessity of immediate drastic action to Save The World From Destruction.

Therefore all coal-fired power stations in the U.S. are shutting down immediately. Furthermore, the U.S. has issued an ultimatum to China, demanding that all their coal plants shut down, or else the U.S. will nuke them (India, too). These measures will cost millions of lives, but as Gore and Hansen say, otherwise we'll All Die!

Rich, you've hit on it!

The Solution to Global Warming is Nuclear Winter! ("Solve" the population problem, too.)

Boom!

Umm, seems to me the same people calling for "trials" and killing the deniers are the same people who demand gun control, will never own a gun and puke at the thought that someone else might own one.
Not sure I want to be on their side come the fight.

I'M FREEZING MT ASS OFF! I'VE BEEN FREEZING FOR MONTHS!

WHERE IS AL GORE HIDING???!?!?!!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

"When you want to kill people who don't believe in your fairy tale you must really be afraid of the truth."

Exactly...it reveals insecurity and fear..anger=fear of loss...meaning they deep down struggle to believe the story themwelves, so must destroy anything which challenges that all-too fragile belief. It is why we have religious fanatics wanting to kill others who believe in a different God, and why we have people putting into jail other people who challenge the facts of the holocaust.

"So shouldn't we start punishing THEM now?"

How about: So should we start acting in self-defense yet?