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January 02, 2008
Legal Goliath makes slingshots disappear?
The constantly changing story about the San Francisco tiger attack (which has resisted my attempts at analysis so far) just keeps getting harder and harder to follow. Reports are disappearing. To read this one, I had to resort to the Google cache to find the scubbed version, titled Report: Tiger Victims Were Carrying Slingshots: SAN FRANCISCO -- Citing an unnamed source, a published report Tuesday said the two brothers who were mauled by a Siberian tiger at that San Francisco Zoo in a Christmas Day fatal attack were carrying slingshots.That was the story before the appearance of prominent criminal attorney Mark Geragos. Enter Geragos, and now the slingshot allegations vanish: SAN FRANCISCO -- The two brothers who survived a Christmas Day tiger attack at the San Francisco Zoo that killed their friend were denied help for at least 30 minutes by zoo security who did not take their claims seriously, the brothers' attorney said Tuesday. A zoo spokesman called the claim "unreliable."It's hard to believe that's the same story, but it's the same link (via a simple Google search). According to the original account in New York Post, the source for the slingshot allegation is simply "a source": SAN FRANCISCO - Two brothers who were injured when a tiger attacked them at the San Francisco Zoo had slingshots on them at the time, a source said.What, precisely, is "a source"? Am I allowed to rely on he, she, or it? Or should I be intimidated into silence by the Mark Geragos machine? No really; in this account, Geragos is described as a "pit bull" and he's quoted as calling reports of the trio taunting the tiger "an urban legend." However, Geragos does not yet appear to have specifically commented on the slingshot claim. Not that any of this has much to do with the issue of inadequate security in the zoo, because even if we assume criminal mischief by the Dhaliwal brothers, that does not obviate the zoo's duty to ensure that the tiger could not escape. Logically, it wouldn't matter if they'd been shooting at the tiger with a .22, because an escaping tiger is a hazard to everyone, and not just its tormentors. The problem is that it's now a week after the attack, and we still don't have the facts. That the zoo director has already been caught lying makes me suspicious of any unnamed "source." I don't know what to believe anymore. UPDATE (01/03/08): The "pit bull" now faces a "guru" hired by the zoo. Today's San Jose Mercury News says the story is turning into a "circus": It happened at the zoo, but the story of the San Francisco tiger attacks is turning into a circus.The NY Post's story of the slingshots is being called "rumors": The case has led to rumors published in the New York Post and elsewhere that one or more of the young men - brothers Paul and Kulbir Dhaliwal and their friend, 17-year-old Carlos Sousa Jr., who was killed - used slingshots to taunt the animal. But police told the Mercury News on Wednesday they had no evidence of either.I'm afraid that the facts may be influenced by the huge amount of money that's at stake. We may never know the exact details. MORE: According to the latest from the New York Post, the allegations of slingshots originated with a San Francisco city official: As the mauling investigation continued, cops denied that injured victims Amritpal Dhaliwal, 19, and his brother, Kulbir, 23, had slingshots.Something is not right. Either slingshots were found or they were not. If they were, then why would the police now deny it? Who is this "city 'official'"? If he or she worked for the zoo, I'm very skeptical. MORE: Via Drudge, a report by an eyewitness at the zoo who earlier saw the Dhaliwal brothers taunting lions: (01-02) 22:15 PST San Francisco -- Two victims of a lethal Christmas Day tiger attack were harassing the big cats at the San Francisco Zoo shortly before a 350-pound feline escaped its enclosure and mauled them, a woman told The Chronicle on Wednesday.Whether they were teasing the tigers in no way relieves the zoo of its duty to safely confine its animals, but it is helpful to know whether the tiger was provoked into attacking, or whether it just decided to single these people out at random and then pursue them for 300 yards and single them out while others were nearby. The public is entitled to know just what happened. UPDATE (01/04/08): ABC affiliate KGO claims to have investigated and found there were no slingshots. I don't know whether the Post is still standing behind its story. MORE: But wait! Here's a later, um, "report": San Francisco police said Thursday they found slingshots in the hip pockets of all three victims of the tiger attack. The slaughter was so unnecessary. Those boys would not have had slingshots if San Francisco had not cracked down on handguns.Just repeating what I found via Google "News." posted by Eric on 01.02.08 at 12:04 PM
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The problem is with our adversarial legal system. Instead of pursuing truth, we allow the lawyers of the guilty to engage in obfuscation of the facts. The Miranda warning is in great part to blame for this. The police and authorities also spend a lot of time trying to prove "their" case. even if the evidence points to the opposite. They will also try to make the suspect look as guilty as they can by letting out only the evidence for conviction and not for exoneration. Defence attorneys, like Geragos, defend patently guilty people. They lie and lie and lie. What is it about our legal system that makes it ok to lie to get a guilty client off? In England many cases are decided without trial, because they pursue the truth. A defendant should be encouraged to tell the truth. If he did it he did it. There is no reason that guilty people should go free just because they have a better lawyer. Miss Carnivorous · January 2, 2008 01:26 PM I am hoping to hear from my family members who live in SF for some details on the street. I can not imagine a tiger attacking unprovoked although dusk is hunting time. Clearly the zoo is at fault for allowing visitors to remain unattended at closing time. I read in one report that a security guard was driving around in a golf cart as though that were an act of negligence. Maybe she was rounding up stragglers as part of her normal duties. My teenager volunteers at our local zoo and as far as I can tell everything is done according to the established routine every day every hour. What was the routine of the zoo at closing? Aside: if those guys were using a slingshot on the tiger I think they out to face criminal charges for contributing to the death of the third young man. Karin · January 2, 2008 01:32 PM How much does it cost to buy a Siberian tiger? I hate to rush to judgment, but the behavior of the Dhaliwal brothers seems highly suspicious. A taller fence might have protected both the tiger and Carlos Sousa Jr. from being killed, but if its found that the boys were taunting the tiger before it attacked them, they should be held libel for the death of what I imagine was a valuable animal. Dingo · January 2, 2008 05:59 PM I don't understand you people at all. There are only a couple facts to this. They are not hard to grog. There is alot of talk about how this tiger wouldn't have attacked unless such and such happened. That is crap. Tigers are cats. Cats are unpredictable. My own house cat is unpredictable. Sometime she is perfectly content to curl up in my lap. Sometimes she reaches out with her tiny little claws, snags my hand, and attempts to stick as much of it in her mouth as will fit. It's just a matter of her mood. The zoo keeper finally copped to the fence at the zoo being 12 feet high. Notice the tiger in the video and the ease with which it cleared the head of the elephant to attack the rider. That was about twelve feet. You want to condemn these boys for being silent about being attacked? Come on. Of course they will have an affinity for a tiger at the zoo, which on a cursory glance will appear odd to us. Tigers are special beings in the Hindu culture. Papertiger · January 3, 2008 08:25 AM They were not "boys." The youngest, who died, was 17. He did not taunt the tiger. It appears he tried to save his friend--who endangered his life--instead. The ones who taunted the tiger are lying, belligerent, violent gangland thugs with a police record: one 23 and one 19. These are not boys. They are gangland punks who got drunk, lied to Sousa's father about his whereabouts, and got to the zoo at closing in order to do target practice on a tiger and taunt her. Everything I have said here is fact, having already been reported. I believe they need to be charged for reckless endangerment, manslaughter, harassment of a listed species, destruction of property, and trespass. The greatest tragedy of all would be for them to get rich off of what they did. Chaya · January 3, 2008 12:58 PM Well, having lived 700 feet from the Sloat gate of the Zoo, and knowing many SFPD (most of whom are not on the take), this stinks of collusion. City Hall (read: Pretty Boy Newsom) is on the Chronicle’s butts about the impending law suit. San Francisco is self insured, and is liable for the screw up at the Zoo, regardless of the ‘facts’. The spin machine is in full motion to prepare for the settlement offer and negotiations. I would be absolutely surprised if this went in front of a liberal civil jury in SF. The city would loose 4x that amount, and the Mayor knows it. So does their (the victims……?) lawyer. The print media in SF is absolutely controlled by the special interests. Mad Doggie · January 4, 2008 02:32 AM The light just came on!!! I am glad this taunting incident was bought to light because my six year old was teasing an animal. God forbid the animal would have escaped and attacked him. It would have been his fault. Please people. Animals are teased all the time at zoos because people don't expect them to escape and eat their ass up okay. Bringing up the fact that these guys may or may not have taunted the tigers is irrelavant. However, it does serve a purpose if you want to threaten someone out of getting the hell sued out of you which is what I would. I would sue for the max just for the hell of it because the zoo and the police department have attempted to publically shut these guys up and prevent a law suit. And please tell me which stupid jury would translate finding a liquor bottle in someones car, from god knows when, to someone taunting a tiger, please. S Stevenson S Stevenson · January 18, 2008 11:59 PM Post a comment
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