Legal Goliath makes slingshots disappear?

The constantly changing story about the San Francisco tiger attack (which has resisted my attempts at analysis so far) just keeps getting harder and harder to follow.

Reports are disappearing. To read this one, I had to resort to the Google cache to find the scubbed version, titled Report: Tiger Victims Were Carrying Slingshots:

SAN FRANCISCO -- Citing an unnamed source, a published report Tuesday said the two brothers who were mauled by a Siberian tiger at that San Francisco Zoo in a Christmas Day fatal attack were carrying slingshots.

The New York Post also reported that an empty vodka bottle was found in a car used by Amritpal Dhaliwal, 19, and his brother, Kulbir, 23, on the day of the mauling. Their friend, 17-year-old Carlos Sousa Jr., was killed in the attack.

The San Francisco police have released scant information about the two men, saying they were not cooperating in the investigation.

If the report was true, the discovery would seem to strengthen the theory that the three men were taunting the big cat before it began its deadly rampage.

The brothers were released from the hospital Saturday, leaving through a side door amid a crush of reporters hoping to clear up lingering questions about how the tiger escaped its enclosure Christmas Day and how the attacks occurred. They offered no comment.

That was the story before the appearance of prominent criminal attorney Mark Geragos.

Enter Geragos, and now the slingshot allegations vanish:

SAN FRANCISCO -- The two brothers who survived a Christmas Day tiger attack at the San Francisco Zoo that killed their friend were denied help for at least 30 minutes by zoo security who did not take their claims seriously, the brothers' attorney said Tuesday. A zoo spokesman called the claim "unreliable."

Attorney Mark Geragos told The Associated Press that Paul Dhaliwal, 19, and Kulbir Dhaliwal, 23, tried to get help for their friend, 17-year-old Carlos Sousa Jr., after unsuccessful attempts at stopping a 350-pound Siberian tiger that had attacked Sousa.

According to Geragos, the tiger initially attacked Sousa and Paul Dhaliwal at about 4:30 p.m. after escaping from its cage.

While Sousa was seriously hurt, Paul Dhaliwal escaped, and he and his brother ran 300 yards to a zoo cafe where they had eaten earlier.

Geragos said the brothers were "denied entry" to the cafe because the zoo was closing. At that point the brothers lost sight of the tiger.

It's hard to believe that's the same story, but it's the same link (via a simple Google search).

According to the original account in New York Post, the source for the slingshot allegation is simply "a source":

SAN FRANCISCO - Two brothers who were injured when a tiger attacked them at the San Francisco Zoo had slingshots on them at the time, a source said.

An empty vodka bottle was also found in a car used by Amritpal Dhaliwal, 19, and his brother, Kulbir, 23, on the day of the mauling, which left 17-year-old Carlos Sousa Jr. dead, according to the source.

The discoveries could be an indication that the brothers may have taunted the 350-pound Siberian tiger before it leapt from its grotto.

San Francisco cops have said since the Christmas Day incident that there was no indication the tiger was provoked.

The brothers have not commented since they left a hospital Saturday.

What, precisely, is "a source"?

Am I allowed to rely on he, she, or it? Or should I be intimidated into silence by the Mark Geragos machine? No really; in this account, Geragos is described as a "pit bull" and he's quoted as calling reports of the trio taunting the tiger "an urban legend." However, Geragos does not yet appear to have specifically commented on the slingshot claim.

Not that any of this has much to do with the issue of inadequate security in the zoo, because even if we assume criminal mischief by the Dhaliwal brothers, that does not obviate the zoo's duty to ensure that the tiger could not escape. Logically, it wouldn't matter if they'd been shooting at the tiger with a .22, because an escaping tiger is a hazard to everyone, and not just its tormentors.

The problem is that it's now a week after the attack, and we still don't have the facts. That the zoo director has already been caught lying makes me suspicious of any unnamed "source."

I don't know what to believe anymore.

UPDATE (01/03/08): The "pit bull" now faces a "guru" hired by the zoo. Today's San Jose Mercury News says the story is turning into a "circus":

It happened at the zoo, but the story of the San Francisco tiger attacks is turning into a circus.

The Christmas Day mauling at the San Francisco Zoo that killed a San Jose teenager and injured his two friends has drawn international media from China to Brazil and sparked headlines in New York City tabloids. Celebrity lawyer Mark Geragos has signed on to represent the two San Jose brothers who survived the attack by Tatiana, the Siberian tiger. And San Francisco crisis-control guru Sam Singer was just brought in to be the zoo's frontman.

The case against the zoo and the city of San Francisco that funds it - both in court and out of it - is sure to be a doozy.

The NY Post's story of the slingshots is being called "rumors":
The case has led to rumors published in the New York Post and elsewhere that one or more of the young men - brothers Paul and Kulbir Dhaliwal and their friend, 17-year-old Carlos Sousa Jr., who was killed - used slingshots to taunt the animal. But police told the Mercury News on Wednesday they had no evidence of either.
I'm afraid that the facts may be influenced by the huge amount of money that's at stake.

We may never know the exact details.

MORE: According to the latest from the New York Post, the allegations of slingshots originated with a San Francisco city official:

As the mauling investigation continued, cops denied that injured victims Amritpal Dhaliwal, 19, and his brother, Kulbir, 23, had slingshots.

"A slingshot was not found in their car at the hospital or in the zoo," said Sgt. Steve Mannina.

A city official with knowledge of the investigation told The Post about the slingshots, and also said an empty vodka bottle was found in their car.

Cops and zoo officials confirmed they discovered the bottle.

Mollinedo would not comment yesterday on whether the attack was provoked with a slingshot, but said there was little doubt some outside action incited the animal.

"All I know is something prompted the tiger to leap out," he said, adding that signs will be posted around the zoo urging visitors to be respectful of the animals.

Something is not right. Either slingshots were found or they were not. If they were, then why would the police now deny it?

Who is this "city 'official'"? If he or she worked for the zoo, I'm very skeptical.

MORE: Via Drudge, a report by an eyewitness at the zoo who earlier saw the Dhaliwal brothers taunting lions:

(01-02) 22:15 PST San Francisco -- Two victims of a lethal Christmas Day tiger attack were harassing the big cats at the San Francisco Zoo shortly before a 350-pound feline escaped its enclosure and mauled them, a woman told The Chronicle on Wednesday.

The revelation comes as the zoo reopens today, nine days after a visitor was killed and two of his friends were injured by the Siberian tiger, later shot dead by police.

Jennifer Miller, who was at the zoo with her husband and two children that ill-fated Christmas afternoon, said she saw four young men at the big-cat grottos - and three of them were teasing the lions a short time before the tiger's bloody rampage that killed 17-year-old Carlos Sousa Jr.

"The boys, especially the older one, were roaring at them. He was taunting them," the San Francisco woman said. "They were trying to get that lion's attention. ... The lion was bristling, so I just said, 'Come on, let's get out of here' because my kids were disturbed by it."

Whether they were teasing the tigers in no way relieves the zoo of its duty to safely confine its animals, but it is helpful to know whether the tiger was provoked into attacking, or whether it just decided to single these people out at random and then pursue them for 300 yards and single them out while others were nearby.

The public is entitled to know just what happened.

UPDATE (01/04/08): ABC affiliate KGO claims to have investigated and found there were no slingshots.

I don't know whether the Post is still standing behind its story.

MORE: But wait! Here's a later, um, "report":

San Francisco police said Thursday they found slingshots in the hip pockets of all three victims of the tiger attack. The slaughter was so unnecessary. Those boys would not have had slingshots if San Francisco had not cracked down on handguns.
Just repeating what I found via Google "News."

posted by Eric on 01.02.08 at 12:04 PM





TrackBack

TrackBack URL for this entry:
http://classicalvalues.com/cgi-bin/pings.cgi/5985






Comments

All statements from anonymous sources are merely gossip, which explains why the National Enquirer's reliability now equals that of the establishment dailies.

Brett   ·  January 2, 2008 12:52 PM

The problem is with our adversarial legal system. Instead of pursuing truth, we allow the lawyers of the guilty to engage in obfuscation of the facts. The Miranda warning is in great part to blame for this.

The police and authorities also spend a lot of time trying to prove "their" case. even if the evidence points to the opposite. They will also try to make the suspect look as guilty as they can by letting out only the evidence for conviction and not for exoneration.

Defence attorneys, like Geragos, defend patently guilty people. They lie and lie and lie. What is it about our legal system that makes it ok to lie to get a guilty client off?

In England many cases are decided without trial, because they pursue the truth. A defendant should be encouraged to tell the truth. If he did it he did it. There is no reason that guilty people should go free just because they have a better lawyer.

Miss Carnivorous   ·  January 2, 2008 01:26 PM

I am hoping to hear from my family members who live in SF for some details on the street. I can not imagine a tiger attacking unprovoked although dusk is hunting time. Clearly the zoo is at fault for allowing visitors to remain unattended at closing time. I read in one report that a security guard was driving around in a golf cart as though that were an act of negligence. Maybe she was rounding up stragglers as part of her normal duties. My teenager volunteers at our local zoo and as far as I can tell everything is done according to the established routine every day every hour. What was the routine of the zoo at closing? Aside: if those guys were using a slingshot on the tiger I think they out to face criminal charges for contributing to the death of the third young man.

Karin   ·  January 2, 2008 01:32 PM

How much does it cost to buy a Siberian tiger?

I hate to rush to judgment, but the behavior of the Dhaliwal brothers seems highly suspicious. A taller fence might have protected both the tiger and Carlos Sousa Jr. from being killed, but if its found that the boys were taunting the tiger before it attacked them, they should be held libel for the death of what I imagine was a valuable animal.

Dingo   ·  January 2, 2008 05:59 PM

I don't understand you people at all. There are only a couple facts to this. They are not hard to grog.
Fact 1 - three kids were maulled by a tiger in a zoo
Fact 2 - the tiger's enclosure was inadequate

There is alot of talk about how this tiger wouldn't have attacked unless such and such happened. That is crap. Tigers are cats. Cats are unpredictable. My own house cat is unpredictable. Sometime she is perfectly content to curl up in my lap. Sometimes she reaches out with her tiny little claws, snags my hand, and attempts to stick as much of it in her mouth as will fit. It's just a matter of her mood.
With a house cat this is an endearing trait, because I am 20 times her size. You have all seem a cat chase a mouse. How many of you have seen a tiger chase an elephant?
Here's a video.
Notice the simularity between the tiger's approach and compare it to your mental image of the house cat chasing the mouse. Both cover great distance in short bursts of speed. Both spread out wide low to the ground before making the final leap.

The zoo keeper finally copped to the fence at the zoo being 12 feet high. Notice the tiger in the video and the ease with which it cleared the head of the elephant to attack the rider. That was about twelve feet.

You want to condemn these boys for being silent about being attacked? Come on.
This was Christmas eve and those two young men are Hindu in a Christian world.
While our youngsters are being told stories about Noah and the Ark, these kids were being told tales about Prince Ayyappa, who went into the forest to collect milk from the tigress as medicine to cure his sick mother, the queen.

Of course they will have an affinity for a tiger at the zoo, which on a cursory glance will appear odd to us. Tigers are special beings in the Hindu culture.
It's no more odd for them to visit a tiger in captivity on a religious holiday, then it would be for us to pray at the nativity scene set up outside the church.

Papertiger   ·  January 3, 2008 08:25 AM

They were not "boys." The youngest, who died, was 17. He did not taunt the tiger. It appears he tried to save his friend--who endangered his life--instead. The ones who taunted the tiger are lying, belligerent, violent gangland thugs with a police record: one 23 and one 19. These are not boys. They are gangland punks who got drunk, lied to Sousa's father about his whereabouts, and got to the zoo at closing in order to do target practice on a tiger and taunt her. Everything I have said here is fact, having already been reported. I believe they need to be charged for reckless endangerment, manslaughter, harassment of a listed species, destruction of property, and trespass. The greatest tragedy of all would be for them to get rich off of what they did.

Chaya   ·  January 3, 2008 12:58 PM

Well, having lived 700 feet from the Sloat gate of the Zoo, and knowing many SFPD (most of whom are not on the take), this stinks of collusion. City Hall (read: Pretty Boy Newsom) is on the Chronicle’s butts about the impending law suit.

San Francisco is self insured, and is liable for the screw up at the Zoo, regardless of the ‘facts’. The spin machine is in full motion to prepare for the settlement offer and negotiations. I would be absolutely surprised if this went in front of a liberal civil jury in SF. The city would loose 4x that amount, and the Mayor knows it. So does their (the victims……?) lawyer.

The print media in SF is absolutely controlled by the special interests.

Mad Doggie   ·  January 4, 2008 02:32 AM

The light just came on!!!

I am glad this taunting incident was bought to light because my six year old was teasing an animal. God forbid the animal would have escaped and attacked him. It would have been his fault.

Please people. Animals are teased all the time at zoos because people don't expect them to escape and eat their ass up okay.

Bringing up the fact that these guys may or may not have taunted the tigers is irrelavant. However, it does serve a purpose if you want to threaten someone out of getting the hell sued out of you which is what I would. I would sue for the max just for the hell of it because the zoo and the police department have attempted to publically shut these guys up and prevent a law suit.

And please tell me which stupid jury would translate finding a liquor bottle in someones car, from god knows when, to someone taunting a tiger, please.

S Stevenson

S Stevenson   ·  January 18, 2008 11:59 PM

Post a comment

You may use basic HTML for formatting.





Remember Me?

(you may use HTML tags for style)



January 2008
Sun Mon Tue Wed Thu Fri Sat
    1 2 3 4 5
6 7 8 9 10 11 12
13 14 15 16 17 18 19
20 21 22 23 24 25 26
27 28 29 30 31    

ANCIENT (AND MODERN)
WORLD-WIDE CALENDAR


Search the Site


E-mail




Classics To Go

Classical Values PDA Link



Archives




Recent Entries



Links



Site Credits