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August 04, 2008
Tall Tales
Lovely video. I must take exception to one point. I do not believe America was founded as a Christian Nation. On the other points I am in agreement. Keep your eyes open for the frequent appearance of a Puma. It refers to Party Unity My Ass. A slogan of Hillary supporters who are none too happy with the primary campaign Obama ran. There is a blog called PUMA PAC where they hang out. There are about 300 blogs in the PUMA network. posted by Simon on 08.04.08 at 02:40 PM
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America was a nation founded by Christians. Some of them were observant Christians, some more nominal (Franklin, for example). However, that doesn't make us a Christian nation; the First Amendment bans the establishment of a state religion. On the other hand, I don't think any of them ever thought the name of God should be banished from public life or on money, or that postings of the Ten Commandments in courtrooms shouldn't be allowed. Since most of the citizens of the new country were Christians, I don't know if they could have anticipated the problems we're having today. DMC · August 4, 2008 05:54 PM I have to have that discussion with my evangelical friends, of whom I have none, all the time. Just because this is a nation founded by (mostly) Christians, doesn't make this "A Christian Nation". Locomotive Breath · August 5, 2008 06:58 AM LB - but there is more to the issue than the one bit you raise. You are seeking to dismiss the issue by reducing it to an oversimplified point. Embrace the complexity. Assistant Village Idiot · August 5, 2008 09:50 AM AVI et. al., America is not a Christian nation. It is a Christian culture. There are subtle but important differences. Nothing wrong with posting the Ten Commandments. Whose version? I like it in the original Hebrew. M. Simon · August 5, 2008 11:37 AM I would say in reply that anyone who flatly characterizes the U.S. as "A Christian Nation" would be the one guilty of oversimplification. Locomotive Breath · August 5, 2008 03:22 PM The most important reference to Obama's statement that "whatever we once were, we are no longer a Christian nation" is being taken too literally. It's the audacity with which Obama speaks on behalf of America that's the most disconcerting and the most likely reason for admission in this video. It's Obama who claims "whatever we once were" and it's Obama who decided that "we are no longer." This is the same man who categorized Americans as clinging to guns and religion. The question is not whether we are a Christian nation, it is whether Obama has the right to make that determination. Dena · August 8, 2008 12:49 PM |
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I could take either side of the Christian founding of America argument. There are points in both directions. It was a different culture, and they did not frame religious questions the same way we do.