Obama Birth Certificate Issue Heats Up

Texas Darlin takes a look at the Obama birth certificate issue and has a few words on the matter.

Techdude's latest report, written exclusively for the TexasDarlin blog, is mind-blowing. This report responds to critics; solves the "security border" mystery; AND exposes THE SMOKING GUN that will be conclusive in proving that the Certificate of Live Birth (COLB) proffered by Barack Obama on his official campaign website IS FAKE.

I am grateful to Techdude for his dedication to the truth, as I am to Polarik, Michele (who donated her COLB), Judah Benjamin, JimJ, the No Quarter team, and everyone who supports our efforts.

I have no opinion one way or the other at this time. Every time I see a point made in the comments pro or con I am swayed. So my opinion on the matter is not worth a damn. However, Bill Clinton had a very interesting thing to say about Obama. From Atlas Shrugs:
...Bill Clinton made an intriguing turn of phrase when he said, during a trip to Africa: "I never was mad at Sen. Obama," the former president said. "I think everybody's got a right to run for president who qualifies under the Constitution. And I'd be the last person to begrudge anybody their ambition." Even Snopes has accepted that Obama cannot qualify for the presidency based on his mother's citizenship. He must be born in the United States to be a "natural born citizen." If this latest analysis is borne out as true, and the certificate of live birth was derived from a lady, whether it's his sister or not, Sen. Obama will have a lot of explaining to do.
You can read more on this at Israeli Insider and No Quarter.

The first comment at Texas Darlin is interesting too: (edited to make the url work.)

I just came across this news item, and it made me wonder if it might have some play in the discussions over Obama's mother's marriage and Obama's birth. Barack Obama Sr. 's third wife was named Ruth Nidesand, and her surving son (Barack Jr.'s step-brother) is named Mark Ndesandjo. Here's what the TimesOnline says in part about Mark: "Obama, however, refers to him simply as 'my brother' and says he was the only uncontested heir after their father, a Kenyan, died in a car crash in 1982. " How could Barack Jr.'s step-brother be the only "uncontested heir" of his father? Why were people contesting Barack Jr.? Was he considered illegitimate as an heir, as it appears? Or am I reading this in the wrong way?
Interesting. I wonder if it makes any difference? What are the rules of citizenship if his mother's marriage was not legal?

Curiouser and curiouser. Some one ask Alice. I think she'll know. When logic and proportion have fallen sloppy dead...

Update: 05 Aug 008 1237z

Larry Johnson says that Obama's sister, Maya Kassandra Soetoro, is the name on the birth certificate that some one has allegedly altered to be Obama's birth certificate. Larry says:

Here's the simple summary-an authentic COLB was used as a template to create the so-called "birth certificate" that was first posted at Daily Kos and the official Barack Obama campaign site. Why doesn't Barack come clean with his own, genuine Certificate of Live Birth? We do not know for sure but it appears that the name listed is that of BARRY SOETORO. Barry Obama was adopted by Lolo Soetoro and, by virtue of that adoption, was registered as Barry Soetoro in Hawaii.

Barry aka Barrack has some "splaining" to do (to quote Ricky Ricardo).

You can find more details at Texas Darlin.

Cross Posted at Power and Control

posted by Simon on 08.04.08 at 11:14 PM





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"He must be born in the United States to be a "natural born citizen."

Based on my own experience, this is not quite correct. He could have been born abroad to at least one American citizen, and still be "natural born" BUT his parents must have been legally married, AND his mother in this case would have had to have met the 5 years of US residence beyond the age of 16 rule, which she did not. So in Obama's case if he was not born in the US, he is toast.

My own children were born abroad. I met the residency rule, and their mother and I were legally married, BUT I HAD TO PROVE THAT, including providing evidence from another court that a previous marriage of mine had been legally terminated by divorce. It was a lengthy and tedious process.

Anonymous   ·  August 5, 2008 12:06 AM

if he was born in hawaii, he is a natural born citizen.

Gino   ·  August 5, 2008 01:08 AM

Obama's mother's original Social Security Number Application

http://webofdeception.com/obamamother'sssapplication.html

Robert Lewis   ·  August 5, 2008 07:48 AM

Robert,

I saw that. What does it prove or suggest?

M. Simon   ·  August 5, 2008 09:34 AM

The discussion has been enlightening in that I've learned more about what it means to be a natural born citizen, but as to Obama, I still don't believe it.

Maybe the McCain campaign is sitting on this until November 1, but the Clinton campaign would have mentioned it. That they did not tells me this is much ado about nothing.

tim maguire   ·  August 5, 2008 12:52 PM

Maybe the Clinton campaign didn't want to mention it...yet. Hillary doesn't wear well on long exposure, any more than Obama has.

Penny   ·  August 5, 2008 01:31 PM

tim,

I think the Clintons are pissed at the D party for abandoning them. If they have anything on this that will stick, they will release it when it will do the most damage to the party. They want to clean the Obamites out of the Democrat house by making them look as stupid as possible.

October would be my guess. And the "official" leak will not come from the Clintons.

M. Simon   ·  August 5, 2008 01:32 PM

If this is true there's no reason for her to hold onto the proof beyond day one of the Democrat convention. She would come over the top at the convention, with proof of the falsified COLB as the coup de grâce to Obama's recent and rapid poll-sink. Thus, the super-delegates flip to her column.

If.

Greg Toombs   ·  August 5, 2008 04:24 PM

Even if these challenges were true, how would it be enforced without creating a worse division in the country? His mother was American; he was born in Hawaii after statehood. Regardless of what other evidence people uncover (unless it were to undermine one of those two facts), isn't it going to look like insistence on technicalities? We have had several presidential candidates over the years whose circumstances of birth created questions. I find it hard to believe the founders were worried about closing possible loopholes as much as drawing a bright line around a particular value.

Conservative can also mean avoiding unnecessary disruption to the republic over technicalities.

Assistant Village Idiot   ·  August 5, 2008 04:29 PM

The anonymous commenter who wrote "his parents must have been legally married, AND his mother in this case would have had to have met the 5 years of US residence beyond the age of 16 rule, which she did not" is mistaken. All should read the relevant section of the US Code. Father's don't count for much when determining who is natural born. The rules regarding who is natural born are biased towards matrilineality.

If Obama was born out of Wedlock then US Code: Title 8, Chapter 12, Sub-chapter III, Part 1, Section 1409, Paragraph c would apply:

"(c) Notwithstanding the provision of subsection (a) of this section, a person born, after December 23, 1952, outside the United States and out of wedlock shall be held to have acquired at birth the nationality status of his mother, if the mother had the nationality of the United States at the time of such person’s birth, and if the mother had previously been physically present in the United States or one of its outlying possessions for a continuous period of one year."

If his parents were married then section 1401 applies. Whichever section applies, he is a natural born citizen, no matter where he was born. It's all about who the mother is, and there is no "5 years of US residence beyond the age of 16 rule"

Anonymous   ·  August 5, 2008 06:14 PM

The anonymous commenter who wrote "his parents must have been legally married, AND his mother in this case would have had to have met the 5 years of US residence beyond the age of 16 rule, which she did not" is mistaken. All should read the relevant section of the US Code. Father's don't count for much when determining who is natural born. The rules regarding who is natural born are biased towards matrilineality.

If Obama was born out of Wedlock then US Code: Title 8, Chapter 12, Sub-chapter III, Part 1, Section 1409, Paragraph c would apply:

"(c) Notwithstanding the provision of subsection (a) of this section, a person born, after December 23, 1952, outside the United States and out of wedlock shall be held to have acquired at birth the nationality status of his mother, if the mother had the nationality of the United States at the time of such person�s birth, and if the mother had previously been physically present in the United States or one of its outlying possessions for a continuous period of one year."

If his parents were married then section 1401 applies. Whichever section applies, he is a natural born citizen, no matter where he was born. It's all about who the mother is, and there is no "5 years of US residence beyond the age of 16 rule"

Jardinero1   ·  August 5, 2008 06:15 PM

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