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December 07, 2009
Abortion showdown today! Are the Republicans ready?
The fate of the Senate healthcare bill may well depend on today's vote on an anti-abortion amendment: A pep talk by President Obama wasn't enough to give Senate Democrats the votes they needed to pass a massive health care overhaul, but a Monday vote on abortion funding could determine whether the legislation survives.Nelson is one of the Blue Dog wobblers. Will the Republicans help make him happy with the bill in order to ensure its passage? That's what they did in the House, and I'm worried they will do it again: The decision on the abortion amendment will be a decisive moment. If it fails, anti-abortion Democrats including Nelson and Sen. Robert Casey, D-Pa., may vote against the final bill. But if the amendment passes, the party's many senators who support abortion access, such as Sen. Barbara Mikulski, D-Md., could walk away.It's too early to tell what will happen, but I am hoping the Nelson amendment is rejected so that the bill can be voted down as is. (I seriously doubt that Mikulski and her ilk would walk away from a chance to gobble up this large a chunk of the national economy.) Once again, Don't turn opponents of what you oppose into supporters of what you oppose! It just isn't smart for Republicans to turn Democratic opponents of the bill into supporters of the bill. All I can do here is to beg, even beseech the GOP, please don't do it again. This may be the last chance to stop this thing. posted by Eric on 12.07.09 at 02:00 PM
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Ah, but is it not also possible that taking abortion out of it will seriously piss off the pro-abortion Dems and force them to *not* vote for the bill? Or do you think they will go into conference at that stage? But if the Bill is killed now, then that's that. No? Gregory · December 7, 2009 08:30 PM Oh, this is just the show vote. The one where people can posture and preen and be against all manner of bad stuff. Once it gets to "committee", all the stuff they took out goes back in. I can see how they hope it goes. Nancy and Reid go into a room and come out with 2,500 pages and they'll have one day to "debate" it. "You don't want to stop this bill, do you? We worked so hard to get here. We're so close. Our only hope is for the 2010 and 2012 elections to be about "repealing the health care monstrosity before it starts". Veeshir · December 7, 2009 09:44 PM Post a comment
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Okay, there are two problems.
First, the GOP aren't all that bright. Where have you been?
They keep losing elections no matter how "electable" their candidates are.
Second, what makes you think all (or even most) of them actually want to defeat the bill?
Career politicians aren't like the ones who come and go.
Some guy who's been in Congress for decades starts to think he's better than you.
Not just better, smarter.
So of course he has to do stuff to make your life better, you're just too dim (bless your heart) to know that nationalized healthcare will be best for everyone.
It'd certainly be better for politicians who won't have to deal with it and who would have much more control over your life. And isn't that what's really important? If they can get this and cap an trade rolling, the federal gov't will control our healthcare and our energy use.
They'll own us, lock, stock and non rain-forest wood barrel.
Not all GOP congresscritters want to defeat the bill. Some just want to say, "I took abortion out of it."
They think that makes it all better.
Mitt Romney was talking about how his healthcare plans are much better. He's shut up mostly about that, but he could be back on it quickly (I know he's not in Congress, he was the GOP establishment choice for president last year and for 2012)
That's why I'm for 100% turnover in every political office from dogcatcher of Pudunk, WI to POTUS.
They forgot they govern via mandate from us and not rule via mandate over us.
They need to be reminded.