Words are hell!

Earlier I stumbled across the phrase "New York hostess" in a news article, and as I tend to be hypervigilant about sneaky new trends in language, I wondered precisely what the term meant. The hostess in question is a nightclub hostess named Rachel Uchitel. While "hostess" is not defined, it would see that it is to be distinguished from waitress (at least for the purpose of keeping track of who is allegedly involved with whom). I can remember when "hostess" was used to describe female airline flight attendants, but then they became "stewardesses" and finally the less sexist term "flight attendants." (I have to say, seeing the older terms described as "historic" makes me feel even older than I am!)

In Berkeley, "waitress" used to be considered a sexist term (and I do not remember a single "hostess" ever having existed when I lived in that town), but maybe we've regressed. Although it is arguable that maybe we haven't. I see that the rules are still there. Maybe they don't apply to journalists. But OTOH, maybe there's an exception to not using "gender specific job titles" when the job is only incidental to an alleged affair. It's like, if an important person were accused of having an affair with a "server" or a "waitperson," might the readers be wondering about the server or waitperson's sex? Or would that be an illegitimate subject to wonder about? (Somehow, sex with a server sounds cybersexual -- as if you've had sex with a web host or web hostess or something.)

I see that in San Francisco there are nightclub hostesses, and being a hostess can be dangerous work. From a bouncer's account:

when he started disrespecting a woman it was time to get his ass gone.

Our hostess girl comes out and she's a caucasion girl, so then he starts saying jungle fever whatever and telling her to suck his....whatevers. At this point I'm like you need to leave now, get away from the club. Then this dude gets in my face and straight pushes me trying to knock me over. Now I'm a thick guy so I lean back, ready myself, and throw a short right and then a left hook, but I just grazed his cheek. Thinking back I'm glad I just grazed him. So then I turn around and make sure the hostess girl is ok, and she screams "watch out behind you!", but I know he's coming. I had already grabbed the MACE that was in my pocket. This shit is potent, you need a license for the mace I used on this dude. So before he could connect I give it two squirts in his face. 5 seconds later, his ass is screaming on the ground wondering why he can't see. I then put him against the wall around the corner, call the police, file my report, and then take him away. All in all a shitty night, but I felt good getting the guy with mace, though not as good as I would've felt if my left hook would've connected.

In Japan, while things aren't as violent, the "nightclub hostess" denotes something something very different (and more lucrative) than in New York, where it apparently means simply being in charge of who gets in and who doesn't. But the occupation wouldn't be the same as a doorman, as hostesses would seem to do more than that. Exactly what, I am not sure.

The Wiki entry for the woman described in the Detroit Free Press as a "New York hostess" refers to her as a "nightclub manager" and as a "hostess" in a way which clearly implies these terms are interchangeable:

Rachel Uchitel (born 1975)[1] is a nightclub manager, who has managed the VIP section of "some of the most successful clubs in New York".[2] In 2006, she was the VIP hostess at Tao.[3]
Whether she actually managed the clubs, who knows? This is all very surprising to me, for I thought we were long past the sexist terminology of the long past. Something seems to have changed, and I find myself wondering whether at least some of today's women are beginning to take pride in certain gender specific job titles.

Not that I would expect the New York hostess's lawyer to approve:

In 1981 she sued California State Senator John G. Schmitz for slander for $10 million for calling her a "slick butch lawyeress," but settled for $20,000 and an apology.
"Lawyeress" does sound a bit extreme. But what about "actresses"? There was a movement to get rid of the term and replace it with "actor" but they haven't changed the Academy Award wording, and isn't Hollywood about as PC as you can get?

Another vital issue of the day is that Wiki is threatening to delete the entry for the New York hostess. Apparently, she might not meet their criteria for importance:

Newsworthy, but hardly a scandal. And if that's her only claim to fame, she does not merit an article on Wikipedia.
Be that as it may, Googling her name yields nearly 2 million hits. William Tecumseh Sherman gets 219,000, even though he dramatically altered the course of American history, and is considered the architect of the strategy of "total warfare."

Yet according to Googleocracy, he is less important than a New York hostess.

I think Sherman would be the first to recognize that there's nothing fair about it.

posted by Eric on 12.03.09 at 11:18 AM





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The open-secret want ads Eastern European women answer to get sold into foreign prostitution are "hostess" ads (in English translation). That's what I always think of.

guy on internet   ·  December 3, 2009 12:15 PM

In every restaurant where I or anybody in my family has worked, the "hostess" is the hotty who seats people.

They're not good enough to be waitresses so they just stand in front, look good and bring people to their tables.

I don't know what it means in this context.

Words don't seem to mean anything anymore.
Take "militant".
That could be anything from a guy who thinks Baskin Robbins totally kicks Maggie Moo's butt to a guy who blows up children at day care.

Hostess could be anything from hooker to "seater".


I had never heard that Sherman was called the "architect of total warfare".

Methinks some others might want to discuss that, like oh.... Julius Caesar, Genghis Khan, Custer, anybody involved in the 30 Years War and... I could keep going but you get the point.

Veeshir   ·  December 3, 2009 12:30 PM

Eh, I see in the wiki of "total war" that's linked from Sherman's page they note that the idea is centuries old.
I would suggest millenia old, but that's just quibbling.

Veeshir   ·  December 3, 2009 01:19 PM

Heh, not to pat my back, but they mention Genghis and the Thirty Years War.
I did mess up with Custer, he used it against American Indians after the Civil War.

Veeshir   ·  December 3, 2009 01:22 PM

From the context my take is this "hostess" is similar to a casino hostess (or guest development executive) which is just someone who provides personal attention to VIPs with the aim of selling more of whatever the place makes money at. I'm sure a "nightclub hostess" in NY could also provide introductions for services provided by independent contractors at the club. But mostly, they sell the expensive whiskey and champagne and see the that the right party girls pass by the table.

JKB   ·  December 3, 2009 02:22 PM

Veeshir I should have said "an architect."

And a hostess can also be a cupcake!

Eric Scheie   ·  December 3, 2009 06:25 PM

It seems that their vags are all soar and they take it out on those who get to pee standing up.

JohnB   ·  December 3, 2009 08:30 PM

Did you ever wonder why there are two "s"es in hostess but no "a"?

I think it is a cover up.

M. Simon   ·  December 4, 2009 05:08 AM

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