Fitna The Movie


There are Muslims fighting against this brand of Islam. Muslims Against Sharia, where I have posting privileges, is one. I'm Jewish and that is well known to the group. I highly recommend a visit to their site. It is a fountain of wisdom and tolerance. I note that it has taken a while but, true moderate Muslims are rising up against the haters.

HT Hot Air. Hot Air has a lively comment section on the subject. Live Leak also has an active comment section on the video.

Now if only we could get some Americans to moderate their views similarly, we might have more progress in the "can't we all get along" project.

Update: as you can see the movie has been pulled. However (for as long as it lasts) there is a version up at Youtube. HT LGF. The video is also being hosted by Say Anything. Google also has the video. HT Instapundit.

posted by Simon on 03.28.08 at 09:21 AM





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this film is completely rong and the person who made this film has made it just to create a wrong thouught about muslims , and yea for sure he has a big hatred against islam and the truth is that in holand islam is spreading so fast that he cant see that and including this and other of his evil thoughts againt islam has forced him to make this nonsense againt muslims, and the people who kill other people who ever they are they have no religion giving them banner of muslims and trying and creating a wrong thought about quran that this is written in quran to kill other religion people other than islam its all nonsense i must say if this person has guts come and bring muslim scholors and he himself on the other side have a debate on this but this coward will never do that cause he has done what he thinks about muslims and this completely wrong and he trying only and only to spoil the name of islam.

shahrukh   ·  March 29, 2008 06:30 PM

this film is completely rong and the person who made this film has made it just to create a wrong thouught about muslims , and yea for sure he has a big hatred against islam and the truth is that in holand islam is spreading so fast that he cant see that and including this and other of his evil thoughts againt islam has forced him to make this nonsense againt muslims, and the people who kill other people who ever they are they have no religion giving them banner of muslims and trying and creating a wrong thought about quran that this is written in quran to kill other religion people other than islam its all nonsense i must say if this person has guts come and bring muslim scholors and he himself on the other side have a debate on this but this coward will never do that cause he has done what he thinks about muslims and this is completely wrong and hes trying only and only to spoil the name of islam.

shahrukh   ·  March 29, 2008 06:33 PM

here are some facts u need to know.
Islam IS a peacful religoin. it is the FASTEST growing religion in the world. it is the SECOND biggest religion in the world.

Beleive it or not, all these people who belive in Islam are not radicals, and dont just sit around and commit atrocities. If youve taken atleast junior high social you should know that an agressive minority is always louder then a stable majority, which is why radical muslims get so much attention.

Please for once get up off ure seat and go learn somethin on your own. if you want to make such rash comments, go and research islam for yourself first. educate yourself about islam’s teachings. ignorance in this society is no excuse. Stop just beleiving in everythin people tell you. learn to make your own opinions

shahrukh   ·  March 29, 2008 06:40 PM

showing some footages , i mean collectin them by purpose in such a way and manner that some thing big comes out of it , even some other person can collect some footages from here and there to try to spoil name of other religion like cristanity , jewism ....well over all the only purpose is to spoil the name of islam infront of the world.

shahrukh   ·  March 29, 2008 06:49 PM

and all quranic verses are presented wrong their meaning is shown completely wrong just to misguide people about islam and quran you can go your self and go to some good scholar of islam and ask its right meaning...........its a very lame and foolish act by this guy .

shahrukh   ·  March 29, 2008 06:55 PM

shahrkh,

Could you please explain Muslims killing Muslims in Iraq?

Kind of strange behavior for a peaceful religion.

M. Simon   ·  March 29, 2008 07:27 PM

BTW I would love to read some Muslim scholars on the errors in interpretation of the Verses in the movie.

Perhaps you could post some excerpts with links.

And that "honor killing" thing could use some explanation as well.

And women as second class citizens in Saudi Arabia among others.

Islam went wrong, in my opinion, when it exalted faith over reason.

In Christianity and the Jewish religion, when reason contradicts faith, faith is altered.

Have you visited Muslims Against Sharia? I provided the link as a counter weight.

M. Simon   ·  March 29, 2008 07:33 PM

http://www.irf.net/irf/download/index.htm

http://www.naatsharif.com/lecture_c03a87f39d73cf8vw9cef45e979318.php?lrref=eccbc87e4b5ce2fe28308fd9f2a7baf39fde5cfe0fde33a061353896bf075d3f12835&page=2

http://www.worldmuslimmedia.com/readislam/zakir/

check out the link from a very good and one of big scholars of islam and search for his more of lectures( dr zakir naik) in internet who will see what islam is actualy and dude the muslims killing muslims in iraq ...i must say they have no religion but terrorism and not even in iraq but also in pakistan and sme other countries this has happened it has happened and who support this is forign powers in iraq and interference of us in pakistan though in pakistan its much controlled and situation is much better and i know this that killing of muslims by muslims makes a very bad imression on the world about islam but the people doing this are not muslims but people with a motive of spoiling the name of islam , actualy i am not writing here to prove that islam is right or any thing like that islam is right and always will be ,but the person wilders has proved himself that how much hatred he has against islam and trying to prove that not only him but others ( europeans and rest of the world) should think like him, i think this guy is right on one regard. Fascism, Nazism and Communism were defeated ideologies of the 20th centuries. now we have to defeAT jihadi ideology ( which stands apart from islamism ie, the islamist AK party in Turkey which embraces the Democratic process).its just a cut paste of various newspaper clipping selective " sermons " which i think any one can do of any any religion to spoil any other religion.I think this movie is terribly made . think that it is made by an uneducated person.. but, but, but he has every right to say what he thinks and yes he thinks nothing but destruction of islam .

shahrukh   ·  March 30, 2008 07:02 AM

lets take example of
Bush had said god asks him to invade iraq.
is it means that the christianity is the cause +1 million deaths in iraq in just 6 yrz
is it means bible is preching hatred,
is it means all christins are terrorists like bush?
NO SIR,
it means that the religion has nothing to do with the insanity of individuals.
you cannot target the teachings of any religion by the attitude of the followers of the religion.

shahrukh   ·  March 30, 2008 07:28 AM

http://www.irf.net/irf/download/index.htm

http://www.naatsharif.com/lecture_c03a87f39d73cf8vw9cef45e979318.php?lrref=eccbc87e4b5ce2fe28308fd9f2a7baf39fde5cfe0fde33a061353896bf075d3f12835&page=2

http://www.worldmuslimmedia.com/readislam/zakir/

check out the link from a very good and one of big scholars of islam and search for his more of lectures( dr zakir naik) in internet who will see what islam is actualy and dude the muslims killing muslims in iraq ...i must say they have no religion but terrorism and not even in iraq but also in pakistan and sme other countries this has happened it has happened and who support this is forign powers in iraq and interference of us in pakistan though in pakistan its much controlled and situation is much better and i know this that killing of muslims by muslims makes a very bad imression on the world about islam but the people doing this are not muslims but people with a motive of spoiling the name of islam , actualy i am not writing here to prove that islam is right or any thing like that islam is right and always will be ,but the person wilders has proved himself that how much hatred he has against islam and trying to prove that not only him but others ( europeans and rest of the world) should think like him, i think this guy is right on one regard. Fascism, Nazism and Communism were defeated ideologies of the 20th centuries. now we have to defeAT jihadi ideology ( which stands apart from islamism ie, the islamist AK party in Turkey which embraces the Democratic process).its just a cut paste of various newspaper clipping selective " sermons " which i think any one can do of any any religion to spoil any other religion.I think this movie is terribly made . think that it is made by an uneducated person.. but, but, but he has every right to say what he thinks and yes he thinks nothing but destruction of islam .

shahrukh   ·  March 30, 2008 07:34 AM

http://www.irf.net/irf/download/index.htm

http://www.naatsharif.com/lecture_c03a87f39d73cf8vw9cef45e979318.php?lrref=eccbc87e4b5ce2fe28308fd9f2a7baf39fde5cfe0fde33a061353896bf075d3f12835&page=2

http://www.worldmuslimmedia.com/readislam/zakir/

check out the link from a very good and one of big scholars of islam and search for his more of lectures( dr zakir naik) in internet who will see what islam is actualy and dude the muslims killing muslims in iraq ...i must say they have no religion but terrorism and not even in iraq but also in pakistan and sme other countries this has happened it has happened and who support this is forign powers in iraq and interference of us in pakistan though in pakistan its much controlled and situation is much better and i know this that killing of muslims by muslims makes a very bad imression on the world about islam but the people doing this are not muslims but people with a motive of spoiling the name of islam , actualy i am not writing here to prove that islam is right or any thing like that islam is right and always will be ,but the person wilders has proved himself that how much hatred he has against islam and trying to prove that not only him but others ( europeans and rest of the world) should think like him, i think this guy is right on one regard. Fascism, Nazism and Communism were defeated ideologies of the 20th centuries. now we have to defeAT jihadi ideology ( which stands apart from islamism ie, the islamist AK party in Turkey which embraces the Democratic process).its just a cut paste of various newspaper clipping selective " sermons " which i think any one can do of any any religion to spoil any other religion.I think this movie is terribly made . think that it is made by an uneducated person.. but, but, but he has every right to say what he thinks and yes he thinks nothing but destruction of islam .

shahrukh   ·  March 30, 2008 07:37 AM

http://www.irf.net/irf/download/index.htm

http://www.naatsharif.com/lecture_c03a87f39d73cf8vw9cef45e979318.php?lrref=eccbc87e4b5ce2fe28308fd9f2a7baf39fde5cfe0fde33a061353896bf075d3f12835&page=2

http://www.worldmuslimmedia.com/readislam/zakir/

check out the link from a very good and one of big scholars of islam and search for his more of lectures( dr zakir naik) in internet who will see what islam is actualy and dude the muslims killing muslims in iraq ...i must say they have no religion but terrorism and not even in iraq but also in pakistan and sme other countries this has happened it has happened and who support this is forign powers in iraq and interference of us in pakistan though in pakistan its much controlled and situation is much better and i know this that killing of muslims by muslims makes a very bad imression on the world about islam but the people doing this are not muslims but people with a motive of spoiling the name of islam , actualy i am not writing here to prove that islam is right or any thing like that islam is right and always will be ,but the person wilders has proved himself that how much hatred he has against islam and trying to prove that not only him but others ( europeans and rest of the world) should think like him, i think this guy is right on one regard. Fascism, Nazism and Communism were defeated ideologies of the 20th centuries. now we have to defeAT jihadi ideology ( which stands apart from islamism ie, the islamist AK party in Turkey which embraces the Democratic process).its just a cut paste of various newspaper clipping selective " sermons " which i think any one can do of any any religion to spoil any other religion.I think this movie is terribly made . think that it is made by an uneducated person.. but, but, but he has every right to say what he thinks and yes he thinks nothing but destruction of islam .

shahrukh   ·  March 30, 2008 07:38 AM

Western countries in history:
crimes , tortures, holocaust, genocide, racism..throughout their short history

more: hirosima, nagasaki, vietnam, Kosovo, Afganistan, Iraq, Palestine.
Islam the religion that starts with swearing to "Pen annd what it writes" at the time since men were sentensed to death by european nations for their beliefs
West folowing a racist idea is moving toward an integrated world war againts moslems!

Democracy, human rights, freedom....
state terrorism, brutality, torture,...
all could be seen in abo gharib..

chk the site persia1.wordpress.com - war of oil revisiting us crimes

My feeling is that Europe has been following a dangerous path in last 2-3 decades. They are humiliating a religion for what some people have done. Those who are playing this game know very well the consequences of their actions.

there are people behind the politicians that plan things. They are the unseen masterminds behind many things.

The story of Bin Laden is a very complex issue. It might take half a century until we truly understand who set him up. Based on what I have seen, after the revolution in Iran, US and western countries along with their allies in the region got the warning that everything might go out of their hands. And noticing how important the Persian golf region was (and is) for them, they had to do something to stop spread of movements against the west and US in particular. US and Europe encouraged and helped Saddam in a war that destroyed the social-economical structure of both countries, beside the death of millions of people. Germany provided chemical weapons to Saddam.

In parallel to that they had to prove to western people that Islam is dangerous, a religion of torture, terror, ignorance, . . . They set up “Taliban” and “Osama Bin Laden” in Afghanistan. US repeatedly called them “mojahedin” “freedeom fighters”. . . . It is a long story . . .

Taliban was enough to show how bad Islam is!!! Then they turned them into a terrorist group and used them there. Many argue that US secret police (CIA, FBI) knew about Sep 11. Many believe that the only one who could benefit from Sep. 11 was the US government. At the time world was waiting for a mono-polar system, it was the time also US could prove that she is the sole power of the world. . . . Sep. 11 was done by a jerk named Bin Laden but indirectly directed by top US secret officials. . . And you know that secret forces infiltrate into these groups and accomplish what they need through their enemy.

Islam, by no means, allows anyone to be killed in a terror action. Talibans are completely an exceptional groups that their understanding of Islam is limited to their dirty life of drug trade. And I must say, US was successful in this goal unlike their defeat in other fields.

shahrukh   ·  March 30, 2008 07:56 AM

http://www.irf.net/irf/download/index.htm

http://www.naatsharif.com/lecture_c03a87f39d73cf8vw9cef45e979318.php?lrref=eccbc87e4b5ce2fe28308fd9f2a7baf39fde5cfe0fde33a061353896bf075d3f12835&page=2

http://www.worldmuslimmedia.com/readislam/zakir/

check out the link from a very good and one of big scholars of islam and search for his more of lectures( dr zakir naik) in internet who will see what islam is actualy and dude the muslims killing muslims in iraq ...i must say they have no religion but terrorism and not even in iraq but also in pakistan and sme other countries this has happened it has happened and who support this is forign powers in iraq and interference of us in pakistan though in pakistan its much controlled and situation is much better and i know this that killing of muslims by muslims makes a very bad imression on the world about islam but the people doing this are not muslims but people with a motive of spoiling the name of islam , actualy i am not writing here to prove that islam is right or any thing like that islam is right and always will be ,but the person wilders has proved himself that how much hatred he has against islam and trying to prove that not only him but others ( europeans and rest of the world) should think like him, i think this guy is right on one regard. Fascism, Nazism and Communism were defeated ideologies of the 20th centuries. now we have to defeAT jihadi ideology ( which stands apart from islamism ie, the islamist AK party in Turkey which embraces the Democratic process).its just a cut paste of various newspaper clipping selective " sermons " which i think any one can do of any any religion to spoil any other religion.I think this movie is terribly made . think that it is made by an uneducated person.. but, but, but he has every right to say what he thinks and yes he thinks nothing but destruction of islam .

shahrukh   ·  March 30, 2008 07:59 AM

1-worldmuslimmedia.com- go to Dr zakir naik lectures

2-naatsharif.com- go to Dr zakir naik lectures.

3-www.irf.net- go to Dr zakir naik lectures.

i could not provide you the direct link cause this site dosent allows it i fink so.

check out the link from a very good and one of big scholars of islam and search for his more of lectures( dr zakir naik) in internet who will see what islam is actualy and dude the muslims killing muslims in iraq ...i must say they have no religion but terrorism and not even in iraq but also in pakistan and sme other countries this has happened it has happened and who support this is forign powers in iraq and interference of us in pakistan though in pakistan its much controlled and situation is much better and i know this that killing of muslims by muslims makes a very bad imression on the world about islam but the people doing this are not muslims but people with a motive of spoiling the name of islam , actualy i am not writing here to prove that islam is right or any thing like that islam is right and always will be ,but the person wilders has proved himself that how much hatred he has against islam and trying to prove that not only him but others ( europeans and rest of the world) should think like him, i think this guy is right on one regard. Fascism, Nazism and Communism were defeated ideologies of the 20th centuries. now we have to defeAT jihadi ideology ( which stands apart from islamism ie, the islamist AK party in Turkey which embraces the Democratic process).its just a cut paste of various newspaper clipping selective " sermons " which i think any one can do of any any religion to spoil any other religion.I think this movie is terribly made . think that it is made by an uneducated person.. but, but, but he has every right to say what he thinks and yes he thinks nothing but destruction of islam .

shahrukh   ·  March 30, 2008 08:04 AM

www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/bush-god-told-me-to-invade-iraq-509925.html

shahrukh   ·  March 30, 2008 08:12 AM

Uh,

Hiroshima/Nagasaki. Japan started he war. America finished it.

Many historians believe that the bombs saved the lives of millions of Japanese and hundreds of thousands of Americans that an invasion with conventional forces would have cost. As one wag put it when faced with a demonstrator with a sign saying "Two bombs too many". He replied "One not enough". Let me add that Japan could have surrendered at any time. There was no reason for the atomic bombs except Japan didn't surrender before them.

BTW you never did respond to the Muslims Against Sharia question.

I'm all for marginalization of he uncivilized. With a few very rare exceptions we don't see many Muslims standing up to the radicals. Silence is as good as agreement.

M. Simon   ·  March 30, 2008 12:37 PM

BTW are you aware that Iraqis seem rather happy (for the most part) that Saddam is gone and they have an opportunity for self government?

Also note that the vast majority of non-insurgent deaths in Iraq were at the hands of their co-religionists?

Had the radicals laid down their arms the Iraqi people could have avoided a whole lot of pain.

And why were the insurgents doing this? Expediency. Iraqi civilians are easier to kill than American soldiers.

Some one is going to civilize the lands of the Arabs. Arabs can do it themselves (not much progress in the last 200 years in that direction) or Americans can do it - The Americans seem to have managed considerable progress in the last 5 years.

So get a move on. Egypt beckons. Libya awaits. Syria is available. What are you waiting for?

M. Simon   ·  March 30, 2008 12:46 PM

well dude america never finished any war if it wanted to finish and if it was so peace lover , what about iraq , its support to israeal for palestine ( this is for years), its intervention in pakistan ( which has brought about crises in pakistan) and what about afganistan... and many other events it attacted countries like iraq and other for its personal intrest not for peace and when i am talkin about US its not the people but the politicians and govt, in japan US had no other option left as they knew thEY WIll face defeat so to over come that they bombed and shw them selves as superpowers among the world well my point is just that it killed inoccent people and still they are suffering AND YEA .........IN IRAQ PEOPLE ARE HAPPY i can see that daily doezens of people die, sucide bombings on large scale......people cursin US openly on media .....

shahrukh   ·  March 30, 2008 04:30 PM

well yea im sory i did not speak about the muslims agaiinst shariah , well there are muslims i must say who are againt the shariah law , let me clear first shariah is a law which is made for the betterment of society for betterness of human being themselves its the islamic law sent down by God for all of mankind ,

well yea the muslims who have a very little knowledge about their religion are the ones who come out with an opnion that shariah is wrong law infact not the whole law but certain applications of Shariah law its because practicising them in the present society for them is difficult and also its because in the society in which they are living and in the enviornment which they live make them think againt shariah law or they might be calling shariah law as wrong cause just to denigrate Islam and vilify Muslims,
now the society is very modernized and now in between when shariah law comes the modernised society call it old thoughts and wrong way of life ,well actualy shariah law is made for the better ment of people and if they they go according to shariah law it will be good for them i mean if i go according to shariah law it will be good for me its not something that if i dont go according to shariah law i will be killed or sme fin like that, i have seen people like that even near me after all they are human beings surely society and enviornment arond them will effect them its natural but pointing out these lame points doesnt make islam bad ,look dude go your self to a good scholar of isalm and know wht is islam in real rather than creating opnions on the base of media , i will never call cristanity or jewism wrong untill and unless i learn about these religions personaly ( not by media n stuff)and i know about them then only i will create my opnions against or for of any religion.,, i have given you links please visit them and see what is islam, and please one more thing this law its like islam has put certain boundaries and lines for human being in this law which will help in overcoming the evils of society and once again shariah is for the betterment for the person himself if he practices ,there is no enforcement in islam , what taliban was doing in afganistan was wrong way of preaching and maintaining islam in afganistan thats why they failed there because islam never allows enforcement and tahts what they had done in afganistan and where ever less knowledged muslims try to enforce anything related to religion islam there are never goin to suceed (they might if god wishes)since islam forbits enforcement of any thing on others if islam is spread tdy its not by guns or swords its by their good talk , their behaviour, and will continue to spread in the same manner if any one tries to spread islam on base of bombs , guns , swords he will never suceed because islam does not permits this , but pity on people like greed wilder they spread a wrong message with no knowledge about islam .

There are many people in this world who dislike things that they see around them. Many fear that which they know not. As a matter of fact after the sad and tragic events that occurred on september 11 in the united states of america, many people were driven towards hating muslims and islamic law. Memories of the witch hunts that occurred at salem began to be conjured up once again. As a matter of fact some of this negative media publicity actually caused people to become curious and to go and read the quran themselves and see what the sharia was all about. In the end many people become muslims and reverted back to Islam.

The sharia basically is being demonized in the world today and this is greatly due to ignorance and what the media has done to taint the image of muslims all around.

shahrukh   ·  March 30, 2008 04:37 PM

shahrukh · March 30, 2008 04:30 PM

i can see that daily doezens of people die, sucide bombings on large scale.

And just exactly who is doing the suicide bombing against Iraqis?

You have indicted your own analysis.

In fact I think you are a practitioner of takiyah. - Intentional lying for military or political advantage.

Which is exactly why a movie like Fitna got made.

There are two ways to deal with American power. Fight it and wind up in the dust bin of history or join it and prosper. Look at Japan, Germany, South Korea, Taiwan, etc. Some joined willingly others at the point of a gun. All have prospered.

Liberty is seductive. So is money. What does radical Islam offer? Suicide and death. Choose.

M. Simon   ·  March 30, 2008 05:02 PM

what you know about islam is what you see in media man u guys treat media as a message of god ,please go and make reasearch your self rather than making opnions with the help of media,
and fitna the movie is made so that islam is spoiled but lisen the more people bring out shit stuff to prove islam as wrong the more islam will spread , you know why this movie came out cause in neatherlands the fastest growing religion is islam and people are converting in to islam and yea ofcourse it is also sreading all over the world as well so this guy greed wilders ( your superstar) made out this video trying and making an attempt to stop this but you see it all is happening with the will of god not wilder or u or me..........

and about iraq dude do you know how terrorism came or is coming its because of unjustice done to certain groups , and i perhaps never call the sucide bomber as muslims cause no wher in islam its written to do such things ( ur god ( media) has told you that its written in quran n stuff) go make some authentic researches and then bring out your opnion on islam.

shahrukh   ·  March 30, 2008 07:28 PM

overall i think your so dominated with wrong thoughts about islam that your not ready to see islam in right way , or i must say you dont want to know islam cause you know its the right religion like many people are doing including wilder ie, tryin to spoil islam , man if wilder was right in any way he should have asked any big scholor of islam to have a debate on what he thinks of islam against that scholor face to face that is guts not this this is coward act , but why would he do that ,wouldnt he have been caught and insulted , now guess what after releasing his video he hired bodyguards( n now u will say its from fear n threats from muslims) damn why he didnt do this thing in the right way ,why in a way that others will be hurt?......so lame n you people are there to backup him so hes feeling honoured now....so unhuman and insane

shahrukh   ·  March 30, 2008 07:42 PM

give respect to religions ... give respect to gain respect..........ure not god ure not eternal one day you i and this world has to finish....

shahrukh   ·  March 30, 2008 07:48 PM

what you know about islam is what you see in media

Well no. I have actually done considerable research on the subject. A piece I wrote was actually linked by the Muslim Brotherhood. Although I can't imagine why. It was not favorable to their cause.

It is you my friend who imagine ignorance everywhere. If so called "moderate Muslims" do not take up arms against the "blasphemers of Islam" America is quite willing to do the job. The radicals will be defeated on our terms or yours. Decide.

OK the radicals have taken up arms against "injustice". Fine. From your writings I take it you support that fight. It is unfortunate for you. So be it.

We will do to Islam what we did to the Germans, Japanese, and Soviets. Tame them.

Don't be on the wrong side of the fight. A word to the wise.

I note you still have not responded to my Muslims Against Sharia question. Why is that.

Given my "ignorance" of Islam why would they give me posting privileges?

M. Simon   ·  March 30, 2008 08:42 PM

i have written about muslims against shariah as you asked its in one of above comments on 30th march , i gues you didnt read it. i ll post it again

shahrukh   ·  March 31, 2008 04:06 AM

well yea im sory i did not speak about the muslims agaiinst shariah , well there are muslims i must say who are againt the shariah law , let me clear first shariah is a law which is made for the betterment of society for betterness of human being themselves its the islamic law sent down by God for all of mankind ,

well yea the muslims who have a very little knowledge about their religion are the ones who come out with an opnion that shariah is wrong law infact not the whole law but certain applications of Shariah law its because practicising them in the present society for them is difficult and also its because in the society in which they are living and in the enviornment which they live make them think againt shariah law or they might be calling shariah law as wrong cause just to denigrate Islam and vilify Muslims,
now the society is very modernized and now in between when shariah law comes the modernised society call it old thoughts and wrong way of life ,well actualy shariah law is made for the better ment of people and if they they go according to shariah law it will be good for them i mean if i go according to shariah law it will be good for me its not something that if i dont go according to shariah law i will be killed or sme fin like that, i have seen people like that even near me after all they are human beings surely society and enviornment arond them will effect them its natural but pointing out these lame points doesnt make islam bad ,look dude go your self to a good scholar of isalm and know wht is islam in real rather than creating opnions on the base of media , i will never call cristanity or jewism wrong untill and unless i learn about these religions personaly ( not by media n stuff)and i know about them then only i will create my opnions against or for of any religion.,, i have given you links please visit them and see what is islam, and please one more thing this law its like islam has put certain boundaries and lines for human being in this law which will help in overcoming the evils of society and once again shariah is for the betterment for the person himself if he practices ,there is no enforcement in islam , what taliban was doing in afganistan was wrong way of preaching and maintaining islam in afganistan thats why they failed there because islam never allows enforcement and tahts what they had done in afganistan and where ever less knowledged muslims try to enforce anything related to religion islam there are never goin to suceed (they might if god wishes)since islam forbits enforcement of any thing on others if islam is spread tdy its not by guns or swords its by their good talk , their behaviour, and will continue to spread in the same manner if any one tries to spread islam on base of bombs , guns , swords he will never suceed because islam does not permits this , but pity on people like greed wilder they spread a wrong message with no knowledge about islam .

There are many people in this world who dislike things that they see around them. Many fear that which they know not. As a matter of fact after the sad and tragic events that occurred on september 11 in the united states of america, many people were driven towards hating muslims and islamic law. Memories of the witch hunts that occurred at salem began to be conjured up once again. As a matter of fact some of this negative media publicity actually caused people to become curious and to go and read the quran themselves and see what the sharia was all about. In the end many people become muslims and reverted back to Islam.

The sharia basically is being demonized in the world today and this is greatly due to ignorance and what the media has done to taint the image of muslims all around.

shahrukh   ·  March 31, 2008 04:10 AM

my dear jewish friend , you siad you will do what you did to japan and vieatnam ..lolz tats wat you people can do thats it well but i am so sorry friend arms and bombs are not bigger than god ,

you know night is not for ever "in the absence of light darkness prevails" but when light comes the darkness is no more then so dude every night has to face a day .....you people are in darkness and i think you dont want to change the way you ARE ,but also you know only those things and events will take place what god wants and wishes not what America wishes, and in every era when ever the good has tried to come up the evil forces have always tried to stop its upcoming and i think this time is soon going to come with your efforts and cowards acts , but pity my friend good is what overcomes evil every time and at every end of the begning because good is what god favours. if islam wasnt right you people would have never raised questions over islam , its right n will be thats what bothering you people.

shahrukh   ·  March 31, 2008 04:32 AM

my dear jewish friend , you siad you will do what you did to japan and vieatnam ..lolz tats wat you people can do thats it well but i am so sorry friend arms and bombs are not bigger than god ,

you know night is not for ever "in the absence of light darkness prevails" but when light comes the darkness is no more then so dude every night has to face a day .....you people are in darkness and i think you dont want to change the way you ARE ,but also you know only those things and events will take place what god wants and wishes not what America wishes, and in every era when ever the good has tried to come up the evil forces have always tried to stop its upcoming and i think this time is soon going to come with your efforts and cowards acts , but pity my friend good is what overcomes evil every time and at every end of the begning because good is what god favours. if islam wasnt right you people would have never raised questions over islam , its right n will be thats what bothering you .........

shahrukh   ·  March 31, 2008 04:35 AM

m simon i have seen the link that you had send me i have seen a add over there about 9/11 and its sayin like remember who did it, who did it its the US HIMSELF i have seen the whole footage a documentary created by Us CIVILIANS them selves pointing out the real suspect and guess what it was none of u and what your media points out its none other than your own govt ,you know with your little knowledge your no good in any matter you dont have even knowledge about your own country crises and you have come to speak about islam( in which you have no knowledge at all accept calling them terrorist( i think these people callED terrorist has come up with the unjustice done to them BY WHO YOU KNOW IT)).

shahrukh   ·  March 31, 2008 05:11 AM

http://www.salon.com/news/abu_ghraib/2006/03/14/chapter_4/index.html

CHK THE LINK
well u say why there is terrorism this is one of the type of injustice done in iraq which promotes terrorism whos behind it US NO OTHER..

shahrukh   ·  March 31, 2008 06:35 AM

US ( United states of america)

shahrukh   ·  March 31, 2008 06:38 AM

shahrukh,

OK. You want a war over what you consider injustice? Bring it on.

The Germans wanted a war over injustice. Where are they now?

The Japanese wanted a war over injustice. They seem quite content these days. We had to nuke 'em a couple of times before they got the message. You want some?

The Soviets wanted a war over injustice. Ever hear of them?

We will HUMILIATE you. Just as we did to Saddam.

So if you want a war over your grievances. BRING IT ON. Show us what your brave fighters hiding behind women's skirts can do.

Sharia is not going to fly in the USA and we will destroy it in the rest of the world. And there is not a damn thing you can do about it. You and your Allah are powerless against us.

Whine one. We ain't listening.

I think you have done an excellent job of proving the Truth of Fitna. Keep up the good work!

M. Simon   ·  March 31, 2008 12:37 PM

well dude i was never here to prove anything ok... jsut was trin to help make your evil thoughts as good thoughts..... but it seems like you were waiting for such events to happen and wanted to hear from muslims after the event and you enjoy doin it right.......ure sme sick guy ....

and your words like " you will destroy us" and all that i think ure sick , dude what ever US does to any country it will also have to face the same may be nt now but afterwards its the way it is.......and believe me hearing this all from you i am like hahahahaha....... and yea do have pity on you as well i cant help you sory i hope god helps you some way.

AND YEA CARRY ON WITH YOUR SUPPORT TO UR SUPERSTAR " greed wildeers" ..AND REMEMBER ONE DAY EVERY THIG HAS TO COME TO AN END EVEN US.......

shahrukh   ·  March 31, 2008 02:46 PM

Islam as you know it will be long gone before the US dies.

Liberty, and internet porn are way more popular.

Israeli Porn Sweeps The Arab World

We are going to corrupt you out of business. Guns and bombs are not our only weapons.

Ha. Ha. Ha. Ha. Ha. Ha. Ha. Ha. Ha.

M. Simon   ·  March 31, 2008 04:07 PM

Remember to Allah promises...when the times come, islam will be back to its victory..Allahhu Akbar...

nadya   ·  April 1, 2008 05:43 AM

Remember to Allah promises...when the times come, islam will be back to its victory..Allahhu Akbar...

naDya   ·  April 1, 2008 05:44 AM

Allah can promise all he wants. The Soviet Union could not stand against sex, drugs, and rock 'n roll, plus blue jeans (a Jewish invention BTW). Neither can Islam.

Cell phones and computers are liquefying Islam. Just as fax machines liquefied the Soviet Union.

The military phase is just a holding action. The real defeat will be cultural. Lebanon ring a bell? UAE ring a bell?

"Democracy, whiskey, sexy" is more powerful than Islam. Arabs are actually PAYING for Jewish porn. We will not only liquefy you but also make a profit on the transaction. The Prophet can't compete.

M. Simon   ·  April 1, 2008 07:12 AM

look dude do what ever shit plans and conspiracy theorys you wana make against islam to make islam look cheaper tryin to defeat islam ....let me tell you islam has already won do you know since when since the first day of the world and will remain on the victory stand till the end of this world............

its only one god to whom after death you have to go and its ALLAH the almigghty in ur eng language its GOD....IM sure every one will be asked for his deeds who downloaded the porn ...... and obviously yea who uploaded it.... so its not only arabs who have to worry about but also israeals ( as you said they are the one uploading the porn)

and let me tel you democracy , whiskey and sexy is a man made thing but islam is from "GOD" and god is all powerful and almighty than any thing in this world.... i think even your holy book says that doesnt it.........

and you think you bring out ur shit porns to make us corrupt in your sense so what does that mean dude look at the bigger side ur daughters , sisters , wifes , mothers according to your ideology they are categaroizes as pipms, sluts , prostitutes which i think you consider as highest rank in the society and yea u call it a victory as well ...lolzzzzz ...but dude its no victory wake up owners of wiskey porn , sluts, pipms,prostitutes and all shit you have to die one day and for sure every little bieng will be asked for his tiny deeds and on that day no porns, no pimps, no big ,no small , no goverments , no israeal, no arab no UNITED STATES and most of all no M .SIMON, ONLY ONE WILL EXIST THE CREATOR ALLAH THE ALMIGHTY you call him " GOD" I STILL pray for you may your soul rest in peace after death ..AMIN

shahrukh   ·  April 1, 2008 04:22 PM

It is touching to see your faith so strong.

It will avail you naught.

Democracy, whiskey, sexy is more powerful than you can possibly imagine. Cell phones and computers will be the death of Islam as you know it.

The Japanese still have their religion but, it is thoroughly Westernized. You underestimate the power of liberty.

No society based on tribal rules has yet been able to withstand the West. Islam will be no different.

Read my piece on tribalism posted on this blog. That is the essence of the problem with Islam. It is based on tribal rules. When Islam ceases to be tribally based it will be gone as you know it.

My condolences.

The current convulsions in Islam are caused by its having to face head on a non-tribal culture. It is bewildering. It is disorienting. It is intoxicating.

An American fighter has at least 10X the power of an Islamic fighter. Humiliating isn't it when Alah is on your side? Islam has been losing since 1700. The humiliation must be unbearable.

My condolences.

M. Simon   ·  April 1, 2008 08:33 PM

MAN YOU KNOW why you people are so after arabs and islam cause its written in your holy book that ISLAM WILL RISE and it will rise from arabs and go on to pakistan, afganistan and iran ...so now you are making all your possible efforts to stop its rising and accordingly you are working on it ...man youre so oraganised to bring islam down....... but lisen ISALM CAME BY WILL OF GOD .......AND GOD is all truth ful
so truth always overcomes the false ......muslims dont have to worry about ur cowrds acts and ur evils sequences of plans againts islam BECAUSE GOD IS WITH MUSLIMS ..........and realy pity on you.....lolzzzzzzzzzzzz

shahrukh   ·  April 2, 2008 04:56 AM

Fitna may be all that the Muslim accused it of but it is a good start for interfaith dialog. The Quranic verses did expound evil deeds - taken by a number of people as justification to hurt and destroy e.g. World Trade Center, Iraq, Afganistan, Pakistan, Bali, Gaza, Lebanon, etc, etc. These verses may be mis-quoted or taken out of context. It is not enough for the world just to say that they are so. The Muslim scholars must convince the world, justify to the world that Islam is a peaceful religion by refuting these verses - telling the world the true meaning of these verses.

Henry   ·  April 2, 2008 05:01 AM

as i said you are woking according to your holy book ........ we would have worried if it was true .............

shahrukh   ·  April 2, 2008 05:02 AM

Henry,

Words are not enough. They have to be put into effect. i.e. stop the killing, the suicide bombing, hijacking, crashing planes into buildings, etc.

M. Simon   ·  April 2, 2008 06:10 AM

Yeah. Sure. It says in the Holy Book...

You would be better off studying a physics book. Or a manual on modern military strategy.

Allah can do anything. Suppose he has decreed the death of Islam? Suppose no one has gotten the latest message? You are then fighting in vain.

The Allah boys are getting whipped in Iraq. Not enough Vulcan machine guns, night vision goggles, laser gun sights, military transport, tanks, helicopters, gun ships, etc. The US has all those things. Allah seems to have forgotten to equip his army properly.

Allah doesn't have much of a Navy. Or Air Force. I'd say that Allah needs to better equip its troops. Allah has failed to provide logistics support (manufacturing being a glaring deficiency) for his Army.

The most powerful God of all time. The one true God has been getting whipped since the late 1600s. If Allah doesn't get a move on soon people might get the impression Allah is a figment.

Heck. Three hundred million of Allah's faithful can't even defeat a few million Jews. You are being defeated by pigs and monkeys. But real soon now....

M. Simon   ·  April 2, 2008 06:27 AM

all people in this world belong to one god .. the creator ......... ALLAH the almighty ( GOD ).

shahrukh   ·  April 2, 2008 08:25 AM

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2274677605731263078&q=sheikh+pirzada&total=12&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0

hello all of my jews and christian friends espically MSIMON and mr henry[i][u][b]here is the video in response ( as you were askin for it) to the greed wilders non-sense video to spoil islam[/b][/u][/i] ..but i am glad our religion is not protected by guns or nuclear weapons or by spoiling other religions but protected by by ALLAH the almighty (God) so muslims dont have to worry...........[b]please see this video there are 2 parts please watch both the parts [/b]because this video is not made by anyone like greed wilders who has no knowledge of islam at all but made by a good scholor of islam who has a good knowledge of islam. [u][b]you can also get this video in you tube just type the name of Shaykh Pirzada [/b][/u] ..please watch it care fully please watch both the parts to know the truth

shahrukh   ·  April 5, 2008 12:54 PM

shahrukh,

Lucky for you Islam is only protected by head choppers and oppressive governments.

BTW in the USA peaceful Islam is protected by the Constitution.

M. Simon   ·  April 5, 2008 02:33 PM

pity on geert wilders his evil plans failed unfortunately..........no one can spoil islam NO JEWS , NO CHRISTIAN , NOT even MUSLIM himself can spoil islam because it is protected by ALLAH the almighty (god) the creator of all mankind and the world....

shahrukh   ·  April 5, 2008 04:11 PM

The more you try to stop islam from spreading ALHAMDULILAH since it is the religion from Allah the almighty ( god )the more islam will spread .........any one who tries to spoil islam he himself is spoiled and will be spoiled in future as well if any body tries to do so.....

shahrukh   ·  April 5, 2008 04:18 PM


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