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November 11, 2007
Santa is Satan! (And other lessons for small children....)
At least, that's what's on the sign that got the man in the video arrested. The arrested man is the Reverend Orlando Bethel, and he is running for president of the United States as the Christian Reform Party candidate. He is waving his "SANTA IS SATAN" sign across the street from a school, apparently in a residential neighborhood in front of a home. (I'd love to know what strange language is being spoken in the background by an unidentified woman during the arrest.) While Santa's satanism might be the concern in this video, his campaign platform is anti-sodomy and pro-welfare: Today, Apostle Orlando Bethel, Minister of New Life Gospel Ministries - Repent or Burn in HELL, announced his intention, within the next week to file the official paperwork to run for our nations highest office, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES. He is running as the Christian Reform Party - Remove all sodomites.What fascinated me the most was to read that Reverend Bethel is endorsed by the Reverend Roy Moore. Judge Moore of Alabama said, "we need more Christians who are not afraid of God's word and have been a humble servent of Orlando's for years and give me a first class endorsement for President."I don't think he'll be included in any of the national debates, though, and I can't even find him listed in this Wiki entry -- a comprehensive list of third party candidates, as well as people who claim to be running. He is described as having been ordained as a minister by "Prophet Fred Phelps, Sr." of the Westboro Baptist Church in Topeka, Kansas, and he has appeared at Phelps events like this. If you really want to read his philosophy, his "Motion TO DISMISS TO WICKED LYING BASTARD JUDGE" is a classic. While most people would consider him on the outer edge of fringy, Reverend Bethel is being taken seriously by the First Amendment Center, and I do see an interesting First Amendment issue which makes a lot of people uncomfortable. To what extent are time, place and manner restrictions appropriate? Is the right to wave "SANTA IS SATAN" signs in front of a school constitutionally protected? This gets into a murky area, as schools are supposed to be places where children have a right to be free from distractions. It's pretty well settled that the First Amendment is not an entitlement to demonstrate in front of private homes, but I don't know about schools. Can or should the content matter? If it's OK to show kids the "SANTA IS SATAN" sign, how about waving giant bloody pictures of aborted fetuses? In this video, well known anti-gay/anti-abortion activist Michael Marcavage has his signs taken away by local police in Media, PA. The reason given is that the pictures would "upset the children." Is that not content related? Sure, the pictures are upsetting, but are they more upsetting than pictures of graphic sex? The latter would not be protected. Nor would signs advertising tobacco. I think it's inappropriate to wave any of this stuff at children, but by what standard is one worse than the other? Are penises and breasts more upsetting than butchered fetuses? Should they be? What is the standard, and where is the line drawn, if anywhere? Does it depend on whether someone might freak out and go ballistic? When I attended a demonstration in Berkeley I later blogged about, pro-Israel and pro-PLO demonstrators were kept on opposite sides of the street by officers who were understandably concerned about keeping the peace. This struck me as common sense at the time, and I've also read about anti-Bush demonstrators being kept away from the president. I'm a strong supporter of free speech, but are there practical limitations? I knew a lot of cops, and they want to avoid inflammatory situations, and things like having a nut in a Klan uniform handing out leaflets at a black civil rights gathering tend to scare the crap out of police. So does the idea of anti-gay activists heckling gay events. Is keeping counter-protesters at a distance unconstitutional? Can deliberately irritating speech constitute a disturbance of the peace? I'm not free to go outside and yell political slogans late into the night; and I see no reason why it would matter if I were yelling religious messages instead. Yet the same behavior would be constitutionally protected in a business district, even if people felt harassed. Do my rights change again in front of a school? What if the school is in a residential neighborhood, and the message is disturbing to children? I'm not seeing any clearly decipherable lines under the time place and manner exception. Maybe kids just have to tolerate obnoxious nonsense as part of their education. (Considering what passes for education I guess there isn't much harm.) UPDATE: My thanks to Clayton Cramer for the link. Good questions about the ACLU too. UPDATE: My thanks to Glenn Reynolds for linking this post. A warm welcome to all! Obviously, it's getting close to Santa time. And in that respect I do have a question. Are we still allowed to say "Ho Ho Ho"? posted by Eric on 11.11.07 at 10:53 PM
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I seem to remember a movie that pitted Santa AGAINST Satan, but I don't think I've ever heard someone suggest that the jolly red suited one is evil incarnate before. MikeTheLibrarian · November 12, 2007 04:59 PM The answer is "common sense" among police departments and "common decency" among the, er, speakers. And good faith from any third parties (such as politicians and the ACLU) that get involved. Sadly, we're laking a lot of all three these days. Waving a "Santa is Satan" sign at kids in school is not decent, and common sense would say the police should ask the guy to move along, and if he doesn't, arrest him for disturbing the peace. Decency requires that you leave other people's kids out of your politics and your religion. Likewise, there's a pretty clear common sense difference between someone, say, waving an "Affirmative Action is Reverse Descrimination" sign at a Civil Rights event, and someone handing out Klan literature or burning crosses. But, we have a lot of indecent people like Rev. Bethel. And we have a lot of bad faith from polticians and NGOs, who view everything in terms of partisan power struggles. And increasingly we have police departments that ask the wrong things of their officers, and train them in the wrong techniques, removing the opportunity or incentive for officers to use common sense.
JMHawkins · November 12, 2007 05:12 PM Isn't it obvious? Santa IS Satan! Just rearrange the letters, and voilá! Also, they both wear red suits... they both have beards... they're never seen in the same place at the same time... suspicious, methinks. John S. · November 12, 2007 06:43 PM I think Don Imus proved that we are not allowed to say ho ho ho. Peter · November 12, 2007 07:00 PM Maybe we're just misunderstanding these people. For all we know, they're trying to tell us that the man we know as Santa Claus is in fact NHL hockey player Miroslav Satan. In related news, the mullahs of Iran just released their latest screed against "The Great Santa". Joshua · November 13, 2007 09:36 PM Apostle Orlando Bethel sounds just like Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. TallDave · November 14, 2007 12:26 PM See Larry · November 29, 2007 06:09 PM Wow! I posted "Have an Airy Christmas" on my blog as a spoof of things like this, but I was unaware of current events. Mike · December 2, 2007 11:17 AM Post a comment
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That's glossolalia ("speaking in tongues"), which she seems to drop out of when she needs to actually talk to her friends.
Disciples of Fred Phelps, huh? I shudder to think that disease might be spreading.