Freedom is annoying

Stephen Bainbridge takes the view that libertarians just don't understand the value of morality (link via Glenn Reynolds), and here he expands upon his point:

As long as large-L Libertarians refuse to contemplate the prospect that law may reflect any moral norms other than a radical individual autonomy, they will remain a fringe element in American politics. As long as small-l libertarians insist on using the courts to achieve what they cannot obtain through the vote, they will be on the other side of the culture wars from conservatives.
Fair enough as a starting point, but I don't think it's entirely fair to small-l libertarians with common sense enough to believe that voting is preferable to using the courts. (More here, if I may be permitted to cite my pompous self.)

I think it's a bit of a stretch to portray all libertarians as being against "any moral norms other than a radical individual autonomy," because individual autonomy itself -- even radical individual autonomy -- is not in conflict with moral norms. As to what the law may "reflect," I'm not quite sure what is meant by that. The law may reflect a lot of things, including the right to individual autonomy and personal morality. Were it not for individual autonomy, there'd be no such thing as freedom of religion. What we often call personal morality would cease to exist without individual autonomy, because without free choice, there would be no such thing as the good which is freely chosen. It's a bit like the difference between charity and taxation. The latter cannot be called "charity" even if the money goes to feed the poor -- any more than a military draft can be called volunteer service.

I don't know too many people who would assert that the law may not "reflect any moral norms other than a radical individual autonomy," because most laws reflect morality, at least in the philosophical sense.

I think that big government statism is bad, and that it is immoral to use government force to tell people how to live their personal lives absent harm to others. I consider this a moral view -- my moral "norm" if you will. At the heart of the recognition by the Second Amendment of the right to keep and bear arms is a very moral view that individuals have a right to defend themselves and their homes, and to overthrow a tyrannical government.

This is at once morality AND individual autonomy.

As I and many others have argued before, at the other end of the spectrum (for lack of a better word), there are people who believe that various collections of written words (which they attribute to God) should supersede individual autonomy, and should constitute the final word of human "morality." Their ultimate goal, theocracy, would, by eliminating the element of choice in personal morality, destroy morality in the name of saving it.

To me, this is not morality. We have only to look at people living in theocratic countries (Shariah states like Iran and Saudi Arabia will do fine as examples), and it is clear that adults live like and are treated as children. They are told how to live, what to eat, what to wear, how to screw, and any deviation is severely punished. But, no sooner do the mullahs or the mutawein turn their backs and their wards run amok and behave like naughty children, drinking, screwing, and partying. That's because they have no individual autonomy. (Something which can't happen here -- unless you believe the First Amendment provides a perverse theocratic loophole.....)

"Annoying libertarians" like Glenn Reynolds and David Bernstein (and me) would help these people overthrow theocracy and, I guess, allow them to run amok -- in the name of freedom. Eventually, by being allowed to take on life for themselves, they may learn something Bill Whittle has called personal individual responsibility.

My view is that personal responsibility cannot exist without individual autonomy. It may be annoying, but so is freedom.


UPDATE: With all due respect to the man's superior writing skills, I must again violate Wolcott's Rule® against self-quoting, because in my earliest blogging days I offered gratuitous etiquette advice on coping with the nauseating annoyances of freedom:

As I said yesterday, "You have a constitutional right to be sickened by anything and everything which sickens you. Just don't get mad at me for not puking."

In a free country, we have the following social compact: you promise not to arrest me for making you sick, and in return, I promise not to arrest you for getting sick. What is wrong with that?

How utterly pompous of me!

Considering that that's a quote within a quote of something I said previously, I think I'm guilty of a triple violation of Wolcott's Rule®.

May the King of Pomp forgive me! I'm a victim of circumstance!

(Hmmmm...... Didn't Wolcott say something about choking? On your own vomit? Really now, was that necessary?)

UPDATE: My thanks to Glenn Reynolds for linking this post in his ongoing discussion of "annoying libertarians." A warm welcome to all InstaPundit readers! (Those seeking more background on what I jokingly called "Wolcott's Rule®" might enjoy this post.)

I very much agree with Randy Barnett about the need to avoid acrimony, and I think it is well worth remembering that only two days ago Republican libertarians as well as social conservatives were able to unite (more or less) around the war on terror:

Those libertarians who support the administration's strategy for fighting the war against radical islamicists, including the battle for Iraq, and perhaps also its proposals for private social security accounts, Medical savings accounts voted Bush. They may also prefer Bush's prospective judicial nominations to Kerry's (or not). Be this as it may, many thousands, if not millions of libertarian-leaning voters supported the President as part of his winning coalition.

It ill-behooves one constituent of a winning coalition to gratuitously insult another member. Disagree with, even passionately, yes. Belittle and ridicule, no.

Mr. Barnett is absolutely right.

Which leads to another important matter (also via Glenn Reynolds) -- expressed brilliantly in a comment left at Belmont Club:

If Kerry had won, the war would undoubtedly be repudiated in the press everywhere. But now that Bush has won, it has been decided that he won on other issues like gay marriage and abortion. Behind this is a cynical determination among those on the left to deny the President a mandate for the war. And it is a desperate effort to avoid facing up to the broad support of the American public for the war.
I think that is absolutely right. Why this sudden outbreak of cultural infighting? Might it have been triggered as part of a manipulative, divide and conquer strategy? If so, I certainly hate to see libertarians being forced to bear the brunt of it, because libertarians always seem to get it from both sides..... (It may be worth keeping in mind that much of the current-day lifestyle acrimony that we call the "Culture War" dates back to the Vietnam War -- when it was encouraged and cultivated by cynical antiwar activists with a bigger agenda....)

MORE ANNOYANCES: Glenn Reynolds thinks that James Wolcott, by bringing down killer hurricanes helped engineer the re-election of President Bush!

In Wolcott's defense, I'd point out that manipulating the weather, like manipulating politics, is not an exact science. Mistakes are occasionally made. They'll get it right eventually.

MORE: Professor Bainbridge has responded, if not to this post, at least to the sentiments expressed about "annoying libertarians." In response I crossed my legs and chirped here.

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I'm so confused. I thought the Wolcott Rule stated that if your name is James Wolcott, and you write for Vanity Fair, there is a greater than average chance that you are a pompous ass.

Nick Bourbaki   ·  November 5, 2004 03:47 PM

I have posted a little bit about this subject here.

It reminds the Republicans to remember the middle.

You can't win elections with only a base.

Ask the Democrats.

M. Simon   ·  November 5, 2004 03:56 PM

Wolcott seems to believe that repeating yourself is fine, but that telling anyone that you are repeating yourself is pomposity.

I'm not sure I follow the logic, but I think it's a cultural thing; perhaps he could show a bit more respect for cultural diversity.

Not that I'd want to demand that, of course. It would be insensitive of me.

Doug Sundseth   ·  November 5, 2004 04:42 PM

I think it's important to remember that while most americans are *personally* socially conservative, most americans also don't care what other people do, as long as it doesn't harm other parties.

Most pople don't care if two guys get married. But then again most people don't want to subsidize that with their tax dollars. Same thing goes for prostitution, drug use, and a whole host of other 'immoral' but 'harmless' activities.

It is possible to be both a liberal (in the classical sense) and a conservative. Don't let the extreme left drive a wedge between us.

Captain Ramen   ·  November 5, 2004 05:29 PM

You make a mistake in assuming that there are so many variations on religion as you imply with "there are people who believe that various collections of written words (which they attribute to God) should supersede individual autonomy". When you start talking about religion, especially in America, you are perfectly allowed to simply assume Christianity. The numbers support that kind of bald generalization, and Christianity is not so fractured as all that. They all read more or less the same Bible, and they all understand more or less the same moral lessons.

Personal autonomy is fine and dandy, but personal autonomy without stricture is unfocussed and likely dangerous (unless you're of a Rousseauian bent and believe in the inherent goodness of Man). Those strictures have to come from somewhere, and pure humanistic determinism has, thus far, only offered Nazism and Marxist/Leninism as alternatives. The worldview built on fundamentalist, homophobic, chick-repressing Christianity has, for the most part, been pretty successful. To toss it all off as mystical hooey is, to my mind, premature and a bit myopic.

Darken   ·  November 5, 2004 06:04 PM

Nazism and Marxism/Leninism? You left out Ayn Rand's Objectivism (which is far from being determinist). Eric is right, as always. Individual autonomy is a moral value, if not the highest moral value, or that which all moral value presupposes. As to the theological presuppositions behind individual autonomy and moral values, I hold to polytheism. There is also Judaism, so, no, Christianity is far from being the only religion. And, in fact, Christians do interpret the Bible in vastly different ways.

Rousseau was wrong about the goodness of man, and particularly about the wisdom of the masses. There is only a potential for goodness. Virtue, moral value, nobility, is an achievement. There is also a potential for the bad, for baseness. This baseness was well expressed by those who voted for all those anti-homosexual amendments.

The reason for the conflict within the Right is that the Right, i.e., the anti-Left, is divided into sides holding opposite moral premises. In other words, the spectrum has at least two dimensions. The Right has won over the Left. The choice now is whether to go up or down, up to the heights of individual freedom consistent with law and order or down to the ant-heap of totalitarianism.

Or, to put it another way, the Left's relativism has given way to the absolutes of those on the Right. But those on the Right hold diametrically opposite absolutes. There are the collectivists, the Satanorumites, and Osama bin Laden on the one side, and individualists like Eric Scheie, Jeff Soyer, Pim Fortuyn, Theo van Gogh, and Camille Paglia on the other side. I choose to hold to my own absolute values, my holy dogmas, the polytheistic Godliness of sexiness and of the self as the fountainhead of all values. Up With Beauty!

I've been chewing on Bainbridge's commentary since Glenn linked it. I'm going to have short sharp caustic words of few syllables for that man when I finish chewing on them.

M. Simon is correct: the doctrinaire Republicans would do well to not alienate the libertarian/conservatives too early in this game. Their margain wasn't *that* big, nor the mandate *that* strong this time around.

Ironbear   ·  November 6, 2004 08:42 AM

Bainbridge writes that “The American people want their laws to reflect their morals and values. Conservatives get that; libertarians don't.”

Oh, I guess most libertarians “get it.” They’re just appalled by it.

The Supreme Court struck down the practice of segregated schools and prohibitions on interracial marriage. Much of the public was furious because they want their laws to reflect their morals and values, and those morals and values are bigoted. What’s not to “get”?

Liberals get this, too. The Democrat party agreed to embrace the elitist idea of civil rights for minorities not because they were ignorant of popular “morals and values” - heck, they were the party of the South, after all - but in spite of them. Many a Democrat acknowledged that supporting civil rights would alienate the South. And they did it anyway.

The party of Lincoln might have been expected to join forces in supporting civil rights. And many Republicans did, to their undying credit. Alas, Nixon was only too willing to pursue a “Southern strategy” of appealing to latent racism and resentment against outside ideas being forced down their throats. Lo and behold, demagoguery works! Even today, “Willy Horton” adds, whisper campaigns about McCain’s black daughter, and gay-baiting typify Republican politics.

You can call bigotry “natural rights” and you can put lipstick on a pig, but I don't know what it accomplishes. Civil rights for minorities will rarely be popular with majorities. To protect those rights, we need some standard articulating where the public interest ends and individual liberty begins.

Both conservatives and libertarians get this principle of civil rights as applied to majorities. Libertarians make the radical leap to apply this principle to the rights of minorities as well. That's something conservatives just don't "get."

nobody.really   ·  November 10, 2004 02:30 PM


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