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December 15, 2006
Climate change meltdown at the polls?
The debate is over. That's what I keep hearing (despite stubborn views to the contrary) about Global Warming. I'm much too late, so I guess I can never be a part of the debate itself. But now that we're in the post-debate era, I think it's fair to ask: what was the debate about? Whether there's climate change? Whether "we" (the evil humans) did it? Or what "we" should be made to do about it? If the debate involves the latter, isn't there still something called the political process? Is that debate over too? Did the voters have their say? I know I forget a lot of stuff, but I don't recall a national referendum being held, and considering some of the drastic, draconian calls for action I've heard, there might just be national, even constitutional implications. How about a debate on whether the debate is over, or is that beyond debate too? Who held this debate, and when? Why are they not supplying us with a transcript? I'd like to know who decided what. Considering the claim that (pick one or more) is the most pressing national issue, I'm not only feeling left out, but I have this feeling that a lot of other people have been left out too.Something is cleary missing. People still get to vote, right? I'd hate to see the debate ended before the election. Might it be time for another "values" election? I don't mean voting to bring back traditional values, or even classical values. No; I'm talking about going further back in time -- way back to our primitive ancestral values. Geologically time-honored values! Those who want to bring back the traditional glaciers that once covered much of the North American continent, why, they could simply vote for traditional geological values, while those who might prefer a tropical climate could vote for theirs. And may the better climate win! Why not vote for the climate of your choice? Isn't that the American Way? posted by Eric on 12.15.06 at 09:01 AM
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Here are the legitimate undebatable facts (or, as the wonderfully quotable Don Rumsfeld would call 'em, the "known knowns"): 1. There is planet-wide warming occurring on the land masses of earth. OK, the last one is not a "fact" but an irrefutable observation posed as a rhetorical question. Again, to put it in the Rumsfeldian, the "known unknowns" are: Anybody who thinks they have the real true answer to the any of the last three questions falls into one of three categories: (1) liar; (2) idiot; or (3) lying idiot. Rhodium Heart · December 15, 2006 11:18 PM Now, my rant was the comment above. This comment will respond to the question posed: Is the debate over? Actually, which debate are you referencing? The political debate or the scientific debate? The scientific debate shouldn't be over for anyone who cares for the scientific method. The debate is over only for the closed-minded who are enslaved to their anti-human, anti-western, anti-American ideology. There is way too much we don't know about climate and weather. To name two: (1) the role of the oceans; and (2) the role of solar activity. I'm not one to argue that everything should be open to debate. For example: I think we can get a consensus on 2 + 2 = 4. And there is no legitimate scientific debate about evolution and the development of species (even if the question of the origin of life itself is open to debate). But climate is still too much of a mystery to declare the debate over. As for the political debate: it's only starting. Rhodium Heart · December 15, 2006 11:30 PM So, some idiots think the debate about global warming is over. Well, folks, take a good long look at the latest issue of Archaeology magazine and the article about the climate in Scotland about 8000 years ago. Guess what, that climate was "Mediterranean" in nature. Gee, I guess that was due to anthropoid Lucy setting the Serengheti savannah on fire to ward off Neanderthal predators! The debate is far from finished -- not even close! Mescalero · December 15, 2006 11:35 PM I vote for warmer winters and cooler summers. And the cooler summers bit is conditional. I want it hot on the days I go swimming. But not hot until I arrive at the water. As for winter sports enthusiasts. Are you nuts or something? Who gets off on a face full of snow? It is some kind of perversion. M. Simon · December 16, 2006 12:43 PM Post a comment
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Actually, we all get to vote on global warming every day - - with our wallets and our activities. A tenant of mine just traded in his 4x4 King Cab for a Honda Civic to save money on gas, but he also cast a vote for less greenhouse gas - although that does not appear to have been his intention. Gov. Schwarzenegger is harder to figure out. He just signed a agreement with Tony Blair to cut greenhouse gas in California, but on the other hand, he personally owns 12 Hummers. I am not sure how to count Arnold's vote on global warming.