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March 01, 2009
Does zero intolerance lead to zero tolerance?
What is free speech? I tend towards a very broad view of what should be protected, but the exact parameters of free speech never cease to intrigue me. Is religious speech so different from political speech that it should be afforded a different type of protection? If so, why? Should religious speech be more protected than political speech, or vice versa? What about "offensive" speech? I'm offended by Marxist drivel, and by statements deriding the rights of man. Should I be able to sue? The other day I discussed the distinction (one I'm not sure should exist, except it does) with someone who opined that in the United States, people are more horrified by extreme intolerance of religious viewpoints than by extreme intolerance of political viewpoints, and she stated that in particular, Americans are more horrified by people being killed over their religious views than by people being killed over their political views. When I ventured that fortunately, neither type of killing happens very often in the UD, she said that Americans are more horrified by religion-based killings in other countries than by political killings, and I've been mulling it over. As an American cultural phenomenon, is this true? Are we, say, more horrified by a tyrannical regime which murders people for their religious views than we would be if the same regime murders the political opposition? If so, is it because of the constitutional traditions, or is it because religion is seen as analogous to being accident of birth, like race, whereas politics is seen as a matter of opinion? But aren't both matters of conscience, and equally worthy of human rights protection? Should one be more protected than the other? And what about that troubling nexus between politics and religion? Sorry if I'm seeing more questions than answers. While it's easy to pat ourselves on the back because few Americans are murdered for their religious or political views, and while we are lucky to have a deeply ingrained belief in free speech (along with a Constitution protecting both), I've long been troubled by the fact that there is a practical distinction -- in both a legal and cultural sense -- between religious speech and political speech. This distinction seems to have arisen out of the Establishment Clause, the intent of which was to keep government out of religion. Obviously, keeping the government out of religion is a very wise thing, and the founders were quite aware of the dangers of the theocratic state. However, as the government entangled itself in more and more aspects of people's lives, religious disentanglement became ever trickier. In particular, once the government became the guarantor of education and education became compulsory, then anything smacking of religious education became taboo. This ultimately led to a strange anomaly where students and teachers were allowed to voice political opinions, but not religious opinions, in effect meaning that political speech is more protected than religious speech. Should such a distinction have ever been made? Enter the recent notion of different treatment for so-called "offensive speech." For the life of me, I cannot understand why I should be less (or more) entitled to be offended by, say, Communism than fundamentalist Islam. There are a lot of things I find offensive, but the rule I grew up with was that offensive views have a right to be voiced whether I like them or not. Like many schools and universities, the Los Angeles City College has some sort of code prohibiting "offensive" speech. Recently, a student there was apparently called a "fascist bastard" by a professor for voicing his religious opposition to gay marriage in a public speaking class. The professor also threatened to get him expelled, and the student has sued. From an LA Times editorial: When a dispute between a teacher and a student ends up in court, at least one of the parties involved deserves detention. Jonathan Lopez, a student at Los Angeles City College who is suing the Community College District, says he was bullied by the teacher of his public-speaking course after he delivered a speech that included his religious views about marriage.Yes they have. The legal claim is discussed here by the outfit that filed the suit: Last week, attorneys with the Alliance Defense Fund Center for Academic Freedom filed a lawsuit on Jonathan Lopez's behalf against officials of the Los Angeles Community College District, including Professor Matteson, citing the professor's clear violation of the student's First Amendment protections.Well, shame on that professor for using his power (which was the power of the state) to stifle free speech. But I'm wondering whether it would have made any difference had the student been an atheist who believed same sex marriage would be bad for society. I also think it's very doubtful that this professor would have behaved the same way had the student been a Muslim voicing a Koran-based view of same sex marriage. Selective censorship aside, what I don't see is how it makes any difference whether a point of view is driven by religion, by a particular religion, or by no religion at all. I think it's a big mistake to prohibit "offensive" speech, because there is absolutely no way to define it. This could easily lead to people becoming so thin-skinned as to consider any disagreement on almost any issue to be offensive. And once that happens, once tolerance is replaced by zero tolerance, people may find themselves more likely to kill each other over their views, not less. Does this mean that people have a right to insult each other? If a student delivers a diatribe against "sodomy," and people who are into such practices are offended (as the professor was here), don't they also have as much right to be offensive? If we put aside the power imbalance inherent in the student/professor relationship, what about the simple right to offend? Is a religious opinion that someone is an abominable sodomite more protected than a political opinion that someone a fascist bastard? Is a religious opinion that some races are inferior to others more protected than a political opinion that some races are inferior? Is a religious opinion that some religions are inferior to others more protected than a political opinion that some religions are inferior? None of it strikes me as worth getting killed over. My worry is that once the state draws a line over certain things that can't be said, people will be more -- not less -- likely to think that certain opinions merit death. posted by Eric on 03.01.09 at 12:12 PM
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(Case in point about redefining conservatism as hate speech and thus not protected by the First Amendment: CNN: Limbaugh's angry, sinister speech "crossed a line.") William Woody · March 1, 2009 2:03 PM The difference may be a civil argument against sodomy that is not a personal insult and that the professor calling all who disagree with him fascist bastards is a personal insult to a Christian. Now if the student had said that all sodomites were perverted sickos that warranted death and he/she agreed with Muslim law on that, Then a homosexual man would perceived that as a personally directed to himself even if the student was unaware that the professor was a practicing homosexual. Words cause fights and personal insults are often fighting words. I think much of the rudeness and insulting behavior is because those who do that feel they can with impunity, because no one will physically challenge them, due to assault and battery laws. Now the professor should never offer a personal opinion so insulting to people that he disagrees with. That is not professional behavior and should be censured by his employer. Only the threat against the student’s grades warrants a lawsuit because that is intimidation meant to damage the ability of the student to do well and earn a potential living. That is the reason for college and a deliberate attempt to damage that has monetary consequences. RAH · March 1, 2009 6:17 PM I'm a lurker, sometime commenter, who has chosen anonymity for this response. Thin-skinned people worry the hell outta me. Now, to further clarify, I have in-laws and step-relatives of various shades of brown. And I have a brother-in-law (please don't try to figure these relationships out, you'll get a headache!) who apparently cannot complete a sentence without using the "n" word. Just before a family holiday gathering, I told him he could not say that word while all my family was present. He got miffed, said he'd never set foot in this house again, yada, yada. (Yeah, he was here last weekend!) So who was being thin-skinned? Me or my brother-in-law? I have another brother-in-law who would break out in hives at the mere possibility of racial or political dissension. I know you are writing about speech on a different level, the state, and such. But where does tolerance begin and end? OK, so I've been around the block a few times and as a result have blonde, blue-eyed grandchildren, darker skinned 'slant-eyed' grandchildren, and some with frizzy black hair. I have a brother dying of alcoholism, a niece plagued by drug abuse, a cousin who died from AIDS... who am I supposed to hate and why? Yet, if my brother-in-law were the speech student and I the professor, I'd try to grade him fairly on objective points. I also would not intervene if his classmates jumped down his throat. They have rights too, you know? I have been accused of 'telling others how to think' when I say 'this is how I see it' and that makes no sense to me at all. OK, I'm through with the whining introspection. For now. I may be back. Anonymommy · March 1, 2009 11:11 PM If offensive speech isn't allowed, what's the purpose of the free speech part of the First Amendment? The only answer to too much free speech is more free speech. Veeshir · March 2, 2009 12:50 PM The professor certainly has a right to be offensive, but doesn't have the right to give a bad grade because he disagrees with the point of view. Of course, a college may or may not want a professor to be offensive, but that is more of a business or educational decision and you are right, should not end up in court. However I think it is right that people are more offended by killing in the name of religion. Seeing how many communists and socialists I know, and people who run around wearing Che t-shirts, I don't think they are offended at all at political killing. plutosdad · March 2, 2009 3:21 PM Post a comment |
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I think the answer to the question why Americans seem more concerned over freedom of religious speech than freedom of political speech is simple. Conservatives in this country are more concerned over the private than the public, and liberals are more concerned with the public over the private.
Conservatives therefore tend to be more concerned with private expression, such as religious speech--and so when there is religious intolerance, conservatives tend to voice their concerns.
Likewise liberals (who are more concerned with the public) should be the ones who then voice concern over political intolerance. But liberals over the past 40 years (and especially in the past 10) have stopped supporting freedom of expression and have started supporting political repression in forums such as at universities. In other words, the political spectrum who should be outraged at restrictions in political speech around the world are too busy restricting political speech at home to care.
Thus, the imbalance.
I completely agree with you: we are marching down a slippery slope, an Orwellian situation where we define "hate speech" as outside the bounds of the First Amendment (which the First Amendment is supposed to implicitly support--after all, if you don't hate it, it doesn't need protecting), then define a number of modes of thought and political ideas as hateful. (Thus the research showing conservatives are fearful--if you can conclude that, you can conclude that conservatism itself is a form of 'hate speech', and thus outlaw conservatism.)