Soldier throws puppy off a cliff?

I can't believe the stuff that gets posted on YouTube.

For the past several days, a large number of people have been outraged by a video purporting to show an American soldier throwing a live, screaming puppy off a cliff:

WARNING: It is very disturbing.



How the video came into being I don't know, but it has caused extreme and emotional reactions, including a club dedicated to attacking the Marine said to be depicted.

And numerous outraged videos like this one, which include commentary identifying the soldier:

Im being serious for once...

Some sick Soldier throws a poor puppy off the cliff and kills it. I needed to get it off my chest, I won't have this video up for long, I just think the world should know what our soldiers are doing in thier spare time...

The man who threw the dog was...

He provides a name of a man from Washington state whose name I won't repeat but it's all over the Internet, as this has fast become a domestic and international news item. But "what our soldiers are doing in their spare time?"

It hasn't even been established that this happened, much less that it's what our soldiers do in their spare time. The unverified video is encouraging extreme anger, and statements like this and worse:

This piece of garbage needs to be burned alive and have sulfuric acid poured on him to put out the flames.

I hope his fellow Marines beat the ever living shit out of this DISGRACE to the Corps and the ASSHOLE who did nothing to stop him. They both should be shot in the back of the head and their corpses defecated on.

They have brought dishonor to the finest people in the world - those who fight against cruel scum like this. They are not Marines; I don't even consider them human.

I pray each night for the protection of our men and women in Iraq, but as far as these two asshats go, I hope they're BEHEADED on camera by insurgents. THERE - I SAID IT!

This has been making the rounds all over the world and Marine Corps is not only outraged, they're taking it very seriously and investigating it. It still hasn't been determined who made it and why, or whether it's real.
The Marines are investigating the video, said Linda Yokoyama, an office assistant at the Kaneohe Bay Marine Base in Hawaii.

"It will take a bit of time. Considering we've only known about it for 24 hours, we're moving as fast as we can," she said. "It's been a nightmare. The video is just horrible. Horrible."

I've looked at the video several times, and it while throwing a puppy over a cliff would be an easy thing for a sicko to do, it would also be quite an easy thing to fake. (Just before the puppy is tossed, it goes off camera, and it would not be complicated to substitute a toy and throw it, then edit in the yelping sound.) As to why someone would fake this, I don't know. To get attention? To make the military look bad?

Once again, anyone can make a video. And while cruelty to animals is a crime, pretending to throw a puppy off a cliff is not.

It does look real, but I'm not alone in speculating that it could have been faked.

The video has also raised questions among those who have watched it. At The Herald's request, veterinarians at Washington State University's College of Veterinary Medicine agreed to review the video.

They cannot determine whether the puppy was real. One did note that it appeared to leave the frame of the video for a second and the people in the video could have switched it with a fake dog.

"If this is something legitimate, it's one of the most egregious acts of animal cruelty I have ever seen, if not the most," said Dr. Matt Mickas, chief of Community Practice Services at WSU's veterinary college.

He said it did not appear fake to him, because of the way the animal went slack by being held from the neck.

"To me, the sound on the YouTube clip sounded like a puppy in distress -- the same sound we hear when the puppies come into the hospital," Mickas said.

More here, here, and here. Allah speculates that the puppy might have been dead, and BlackFive opines,
Regardless of whether the video is fake (hope so) or not, this Marine gave the enemy a moral victory here at home. His chops need bustin'
I agree.

If the guy committed this despicable act of cruelty, he really ought to be nailed, and there are legal ways to do that. But in addition to the anti-military publicity this has generated, to me there's something very unsettling about seeing how quickly an online lynch mob can just appear out of nowhere. They are threatening this man's family, condemning the military, demanding the man be tortured and killed -- all before his guilt or the authenticity of the video have even been established. Even professionals who ought to know better are offering anti-war explanations about why soldiers "do" things like that.

So, I am outraged, but I am also skeptical. Just because the video is outrageous does not make it authentic. It strikes me as either stupid or insane that anyone would have himself filmed committing a crime and then put it on YouTube. But if it was faked, it's a good way to get a lot of attention without committing a crime.

(There are a lot of fake videos on YouTube; not long ago I linked this one purporting to depict a man setting himself on fire.)

It will be interesting to learn what the investigation turns up.

I hope they act fast, as this is generating a lot of media attention and way too much public hysteria.

A stubborn problem is that there is no way to criminalize fake depictions of things.

(Otherwise most of Hollywood would be in prison, and so would many reporters.)

UPDATE (03/06/08): One of my biggest concerns about the reactions to this video is the way it is generating and fueling anti-military bigotry. I worry that the military is being unfairly held to a higher standard than other members of society, and that whenever misbehavior or criminal activity by a soldier occurs, it activates all the classic signs of bigotry which would never be tolerated had the same individual not been a member of the military -- to say nothing of being a member of some other identifiable group.

This unfairly places the military (and, unfortunately, its defenders) in the position of having to say what amounts to "we're not all sadistic puppy killers" -- something they should not even have to say.

Via Glenn Reynolds, Winds of Change's Marc Danziger highlighted the reflexive way this happened in The Atlantic's coverage of a rape case in Okinawa -- which condescendingly noted that "most [soldiers] are not sociopaths" and then (with a classic "yes but") threw in the gratuitous argument that maybe our soldiers shouldn't be there:

Yes, the overwhelming majority of U.S. military personnel aren't sociopaths. Moreover, downtown Baghdad or Falluja likely won't be sprouting outlets like Okinawa's Club Fujiyama. But the impact of these kinds of episodes on the U.S. image, not to mention on our strategic relationships, is one more reason to weigh carefully the hypothetical benefits of a long-term U.S. military presence against their very real costs. And for the Okinawans, at least, the price of Pax Americana has been very high indeed.
Far more rapes -- and far more incidents of animal cruelty -- are committed by American civilians than American soldiers. I can't remember the last time a news report needed to point out that "most Americans are not sociopaths." The Philadelphia Inquirer features daily reports of horrid crimes, and not once have I read "most Philadelphians [or fill in the criminal's identity group] do not do this."

It would be considered gratuitously insulting, and it is.

Whatever the assholes in the video did (and there's more speculation in the comments below), if it turns out they did violat the law, they'll likely be punished more severely than a typical civilian would in a typical criminal court. To see their conduct in any way as an indictment of the military constitutes anti-military bigotry.

(When such bigotry are carried to extremes, there can be predictable consequences, as we're seeing in New York today.)

MORE: Ace and his commenters are generally leaning toward the theory that the video is fake, and that the puppy was either dead or stuffed.

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While throwing a puppy like this is despicable and cruel, it's hardly the most cruel thing that could be done to an animal. Dogfighting, long-term mistreatment (tiny cages, food deprivation, lack of medical care, etc...), vivisection, etc... are all worse.

I'm always fascinated by the amount of anger and hostility that comes out when someone is publically cruel to animals but cruelty to humans generates a lower level of outrage.

Hopefully, the truth of this matter will be determined and the perpetrators punished accordingly.

The dog that was flying through the air looked fake, to me... and the yelping sounded wrong. It didn't fade in volume as the "puppy" flew away from the camera.

I certainly hope this is fake.

Earnest Iconoclast   ·  March 5, 2008 05:43 PM

Where was all this outrage when Nicholas Berg was beheaded on the internet for all the world to see?

Seane-Anna   ·  March 5, 2008 08:57 PM

You know, if they had done this to a cat there would have been a lot fewer complaints.

What I wonder is why you hardly ever see complaints about cruelty to bacteria and yeast? Or plants? Any law against burning plants alive (other than the natural difficulty)?

Seriously. We set yeast to work on sugar water and then when the yeast has poisoned itself we drink the stuff. Its barbaric.

M. Simon   ·  March 5, 2008 10:52 PM

It could have been faked.....only those who were there know for sure. I can tell you this....if I had been there and it was real, I would have empty a magazine of 5.56 into both knees of the bastard and gladly gone to jail for it.

jeff   ·  March 6, 2008 08:59 AM

M.Simon, you're looking at this all wrong. Those yeast live out their natural life span in abundance and good company. They breed like, well, bacteria, and all die happy. Salt of the Earth and all that. You, of course, imbibe their excrescence.

Would that I were treated as well as I treat my yeast. I hear the dems have a plan.

comatus   ·  March 6, 2008 09:46 AM

Based just on casual experience with the internet, I can say with roughly 99.9% confidence that this video is fake. Of course it's fake, it hits every button--throwing a puppy off a cliff? The only way they could improve it is to have the puppy flying a kite before the bullies picked it up and tossed it.

Seane-Anna makes a good point. I recall a video of Saddam's police throwing Iraqi men off a building. The video was shot from the ground so we saw not just the push, but the landing. It did not get anywhere near this level of outrage.

tim maguire   ·  March 6, 2008 11:40 AM

The video is still available on the "I Hate..." site and I just watched it. I want to revise my last estimate. I am 100% certain it is fake. Dr. Matt Mickas needs his credentials revoked--it's a stuffed animal.

But if the soldier is correctly identified, then he deserves the abuse for extreme stupidity on camera.

tim maguire   ·  March 6, 2008 11:48 AM

What I find offensive is how the Marines are hiding this character. Also this character had the gall to post another video telling people it was just a stray pup and if he hadn’t of done it then it would have starved and died anyway so he did it a favor. Again who made this character GOD? He went on to say he couldn’t stand having the pup following him. Again what kind of upbringing did he have? He should come out of hiding and be a man and take his beatings like the pup did and we can all move on. This is a case of the military standing by their own and saying screw the non military people

anime_lover1120   ·  March 7, 2008 09:28 AM

An after thought here. Regarding the comments from those that say complaints don’t come as readily for people as they do animals. Well I don’t agree with that but I will take that to the next level and say that people can beg for their life and talk whereas animals and babies cant so with that being said defense for those that cant defend themselves or speak for themselves will always come out screaming by the masses.

anime_lover1120   ·  March 7, 2008 09:34 AM

I have watched this video many times, and I don't think it's fake. After the puppy passes by the soldiers body, it moves realistically as he swings forward to throw it. All I can say is identify this man and persecute him.

HalornHalfgrey   ·  March 7, 2008 06:57 PM

why would someone do this? What cold hearted evil person? WHY WHY WHY! ITS HORRIBLE! IF I SAW THIS PERSON WHO DID THIS I'D PUNCH HIM IN THE FACE! I HOPE HE IS FIRED!!!!

IHATEANIMALCRUELITY   ·  March 7, 2008 07:40 PM

This is why most of the people in the world would like to see america slide into the ocean.

bill   ·  March 9, 2008 12:25 AM

Needed a higher cliff. and a better camera. and maybe a real fucking dog next time. and for gods sake stop bitching about a dumb little sand puppy.

DogTosser   ·  March 17, 2008 03:06 PM

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