How well I know, how well I know

And how I hate repeating myself!

The problem is, when history repeats itself, and you've seen it before, what else can you do?

When I read about the third party threat by religious conservatives, I started a post titled "Good News for Hillary," but now I see (via Glenn Reynolds) that the Anchoress has done a truly first rate job:

Had Ross Perot not run in 1992 it is unlikely Bill Clinton would have been president. I suspect the Democrats would like nothing better than to see a third party of conservative Christians siphon just enough votes away from the GOP to do the same for Hillary.

We're already watching the Clintons re-run all their moves from the '92 playbook. Triangulation Kitty is again being served up to feed the masses, this time with Bill as the Hard Left Outside and Hillary as the Softer, Chewy and Yummy Center. We're already watching the press do what it can to bury any negative perspectives on the Clintons and their team.

The whole thing is a must-read, as it's from the heart, and offers disgruntled religious conservatives advice from a religious perspective. (I've often thought that some of the tension between religious conservatives and libertarians lies in the fact that libertarians are more accustomed to not getting their way with the GOP, and thus they don't expect that a candidate they supported will do things like abandon the war on drugs.)

I have an additional worry, though, and while I know I'm going over old ground, I think that the argument that the best shouldn't become the enemy of the good is largely lost on people who prefer having a Hillary Clinton presidency to a Giuliani presidency. This is not because they really prefer the former candidate to the latter; it's just that the dynamics involve their view of themselves.

And like it or not, Hillary is a lot less threatening to their view of themselves as Republicans and conservatives than is Giuliani.

This cannot be overstressed.

Glenn also links Slublog, who quotes from a New Jersey purist named Dan Sullivan:

"Who could possibly replace social conservatives as the GOP's grassroots?" asked Dan Sullivan, a northern New Jersey veteran of several campaigns. "Country club Republicans? Those people write checks and spend their free time riding horses. They;re not going to take off work and drive two days to volunteer on a Senate candidate's race like pro-lifers and homeschoolers did for Pat Toomey in Pennsylvania in 2004."
Slublog quips that Toomey is "the guy who lost the Pennsylvania Republican primary against Arlen Specter. Good example of your political clout there, Dan."

This generated the following comment at Ace:

Toomey lost because the fucktard RINOs in the RNC and Bush protected Specter and gave him a shitload of cash and support, Specter woulda lost had they not done that, and we'd have at least had a replacement for Santorum had we done that.
Wrong, wrong, wrong. This commenter forgets that Toomey would had to run in the 2004 general election. As pointed out in my blog at the time, the Democrats were hoping and praying that Toomey would beat Specter, because their moderate Democrat Joe Hoeffel would then have won the general election. Thus, after Toomey lost, Democratic activists then supported a third party far right challenger in the hope of splitting the vote. Unfortunately for Hoeffel, these ploys failed. Specter won reelection handily -- in a state which Bush lost. Noting this at the time, I went so far as to cite Specter (and Schwarzenegger) as examples of how the Republican Party might actually become a winning party:
Note that Arlen Specter was the top vote-getter in Pennsylvania, out-performing either Bush or Kerry. That a Republican moderate can win in a Democratic state is newsworthy in itself, but that he'd get more votes than either presidential candidate in a highly-charged election like this -- well, in my opinion it puts ideologues in both parties on notice that the voters like moderately conservative candidates who can work with both sides.

Factor into this Arnold Schwarzenegger's huge popularity (65% in a heavily Democratic state) and I think it's obvious that the Republican Party is in a position where it could become the party of consensus.

I stress "could" because I know the ideologues in both parties will do their damnedest to stop this from happening. Consensus and ideology are like tar and water. Yet ordinary Americans love consensus and eschew ideology. Regardless of his positions on individual issues, Specter is seen as a symbol of both.

Considering the way they look now, I guess it was naive of me to imagine that the GOP might become the party of consensus.

Anyway, as we all know, in 2006 Santorum actually ran to the right of Bush and (surprise!) lost his seat to a moderate Democrat. Why? Because he was perceived by the general voters as being too far to the right. Hmmm.... Now that I think about it, I predicted that Santorum would lose, and I don't think I ever took the opportunity to say "I told you so," so I think I should get a pass on repeating what I said then (because I'm only now saying "I told you so" for the first time):

Not that it really matters what I think, but if I were asked to perform a political autopsy in advance of the Republicans' death, I'd probably point out that the right wing in Pennsylvania is not especially strong to begin with. They tried like hell in the Toomey campaign, but they couldn't manage to unseat moderate Arlen Specter in the primary. Sure, they can be counted on to vote for Rick Santorum. But consider the bulk of the mainstream voters in the barely Republican Philadelphia suburbs. They voted against Toomey, and had to be asked nicely to reelect Arlen Specter, which they did along with the rest of the state -- which Bush lost. (While it could certainly be argued that Pennsylvania Republicans are a bunch of RINOs, how will that help Santorum win?)

In the two years since that election, Bush has been vilified relentlessly as a a stupid, far-right, religious warrior who talks to God before sending troops to their death, etc.

And now the strategy is to run against him from the right? In Pennsylvania?

Sorry, but the math just plain doesn't work.

(Unless the goal is to lose.)

Few things are more gruesome than repeating pre mortem autopsies, but I think it's clear that Hillary hopes to continue this trend. I think she's smart enough to know that while she can't beat the Arlen Specters, or the Giulianis (and she's lucky Arnold Schwarzenegger is constitutionally unqualified), she can beat the Santorums and the Toomeys.

What she has going for her, though, is that there are plenty of Republicans who would rather endure having a Democrat in office than endure Arlen Specter. They would also rather endure a President Hillary Clinton than a President Rudolph Giuliani.

Is this because they prefer Hillary and her wrong-almost-all-the-time policies to Giuliani's wrong-maybe-twenty-percent-of-the time policies? Hardly. The reason involves personal morale. Religious conservatives cannot stomach being led by a man who is against them on key issues. They cannot look themselves in the mirror each morning knowing that their values have been discarded by the man in the White House, who heads their own party, as they'd feel no sense of purpose, and would have nowhere to go.

Having Hillary as president, though, solves the problem of personal morale in the way that only having a great enemy (I hesitate to say "Satanic") can. She is seen as someone worth fighting, and by any standard, definitely is "the other." It is easier to organize and galvanize forces against her. With any luck, she'll even oblige by engaging in acts which could be construed as "persecution." With Hillary as president, there will be no question of who is the most against her. The more to the right someone is, the more anti-Hillary he becomes. The future of far right conservatism would be brighter than ever, with far right conservatives prouder than ever. With any luck, Giuliani could even be spun as the guy who "lost to Hillary" and over time, few will remember why he lost.

Thus, a third party candidacy has enormous appeal. Real conservatives have an opportunity to take a stand! For principle! As opposed to being betrayed by another RINO.

I hate to say it again, but I have to.

It is in their interest to have the party lose to Hillary.

Needless to say, it is also in Hillary's interest. So while religious conservatives rail, she's busy triangulating:

Many Democrats, including Senator Clinton, are doing their best to soften the edges of their support for abortion rights, emphasizing they favor policies that might reduce the number of unwanted pregnancies.
Hillary's triangulation effort will doubtless be helped along by the wavers of giant aborted baby photos:
"Far better for the GOP to lose in 2008 than for pro-lifers to be marginalized from both parties. If Rudy gets the nomination, I will oppose him vociferously. I would want to see protesters with giant gruesome aborted baby photos crash the convention. I'd want the GOP version of Chicago in 1968."
Yes, the aborted baby photos do a great job all right. A great job of boosting student attendance at abortion rights rallies.

It's easy to say "you'd think they'd learn."

It's also easy to forget that what they want is not so much to have their party win; it's to have their causes win. They'd rather be right to their causes than subordinate them to winning, though, and what better evidence could there be of that than mounting a third party challenge which they know is absolutely certain to lose?

Why, a third party campaign is so certain to lose that winning or losing isn't really the point, so much as overturning the chessboard.

Such a tactic may be many things, but chess "strategy" it is not.

The appeal is that while it can't win, it's nonetheless seen as more "dignified" than losing. (And as they know they will lose, it's a perfect cut-your-losses tactic. The fact that it's a tantrum will be excused, too. Much the way 1960s excesses are.)

I'd be tempted to call the strategy of overturning the chessboard childish, but that would be bad strategy.

What I'd propose instead (if I had any wind left in my sails) would be an alliance between libertarians and religious conservatives. The more they hate each other, the more it proves the beauty of the small government federalist approach that it is in both of their interests to favor.

(Unfortunately, right now that sounds like utopian thinking.)

posted by Eric on 10.02.07 at 05:29 PM





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I think you're spot on there.

Eric Blair   ·  October 2, 2007 06:28 PM

This election will be unlike any other. The sheer variety of candidates and opinions being bandied about is unprecedented and the frontloading of the primaries could create a situation where no candidate from either party goes to the convention with the nomination locked up. This will make for a fractious convention. It may also be the catalyst for not just a third party candidacy but a fourth or a fifth. I can see Ralph Nader running and sucking off the anti-war, socialist left, Ron Paul sucking off the anti-war and anti-tax right. Newt Gingrich will suck off the anti-tax, pro-lifers leaving the main party candidates sucking in the middle. This could throw the whole election to the House of Representatives just as the framers originally imagined it. That would be so cool!

Jardinero1   ·  October 2, 2007 10:08 PM

I read the Anchoress' piece. Usually I like her. This time I liked her because it was so funny.

Her arguements were among other things 'Well God can use anybody for his purpose'. Very true. I suppose that applies to Hillary Clinton as well, so instead all religious cons should support Hillary.

Her arguements were of that level of amusement.

Unfortunately, you've done a better job at making some serious arguements in this piece.

Perhaps Pennsylvania is not going to be a true conservative state. Perhaps. Of course, the Republicans didn't really try that hard for it either.

Which brings us to George Senior. He lost by a huge margin. And as he was campaigning as a RINO he gave a good impression of a man who did not want to win, but couldn't admit it. I wonder if Tom Clancy's theory in one of his books was right--He had one president deliberately lose after suffering a temporary mental breakdown.

I'm not convinced that George 'I can't be bothered to actually try' Senior's second term would have helped conservatism that much, or Robert 'I'm a stick' Dole term--both hard core RINO's, and losers at the Presidential game as much as they succeeded elsewhere would have been good for us either.

I'm not a Hewittonian. I don't support the R's no matter what. And I'll note that you Libertarians encouraged others to sit out the last election. I think Socons should consider following the example of their wiser, and smarter brethren, the Libertarians.

I will further note that the last election had the RNC's battle cry being 'We're not as pathetic as the other guy!' which did not work. They seem determined to drive the ship into the dock repeatedly until it sinks in the harbor. I personally am not convinced that a loss in 2008 would make them see reason. I think Libertarians and Social Conservatives have to take a mallet and break the fingers of the RINO's off the steering wheel.

In a purely cold-blooded analysis based on electoral success and no morality, Social Conservatives have to fight hard. Why?

RINO's generally lose.

A conservative with strong principles and a smile generally wins. Liberals and RINO's have to fake that they are conservatives usually which should tell everyone the obvious. Except for a few hard-core leftists Nutroots and Ron Paul is Moses sorts and the half-dozen mostly rich and out-of-touch people who think George Senior was the greatest president of the 20th century, most people want someone with strong conservative principles.

Happily for you and me, that includes a lot of issues we have in agreement like lower taxes, and federalism, and strong national defense. I think there is a basis for a strong alliance between Tarians and Socons. Most Socons buy into a very high percentage of the Tarian program after all.

So from one Eric to another Eric, for now, unless I see someone better, lets vote for my neighbor, Fred!

Eric R. Ashley   ·  October 2, 2007 11:14 PM

What is funny is that the socons hate (more) socialized medicine. They see it as a route to state control of the individual.

So if they can't get their way on abortion they will be willing to accept socialized medicine.

OK.

I suppose socialized medicine will be one way to get abortion outlawed.

God help us all.

M. Simon   ·  October 2, 2007 11:35 PM

I am not convinced that Toomey would have lost. I don't know this "moderate Democrat" Joe Hoeffel; but all Democrats call themselves moderates when they are running in a general election - after all, it's only right wing extremists who could possibly believe in lower taxes, the Second Amendment, the freedom of talk radio etc etc.

Also, one school of thought has it that Bush lost PA because the old Toomey voters (who would have voted Bush) didn't show up at the polls for Specter. With more happy "socons", perhaps Bush could have won. Bush did after all win neighbouring OH, despite a Republican party over there that was in far worse shape than PA's.

David Ross   ·  October 3, 2007 12:27 AM

If I had to choose between socialized medicine--bad and abortion--horrific, I'd swallow socialized medicine.

Happily with Fred, I probably get to avoid both evils. The key question is why I should support someone (Giuliani) who is less conservative, and less likely to win?

Now if I was a liberal, I could see wanting Giuliani as the R candidate, but I'm a conservative, so I don't get it.

Eric R. Ashley   ·  October 3, 2007 01:22 AM

In my youth, during the Peloponnesian war, I voted for Democrats. I ceased to do so when we elected a liar in 1992.

I will not go back until they reform, taking responsibility for the damage they have done to the nation since making and sustaining their false claim that the 2000 election was illegitimate because they were prevented from stealing it in broad daylight.

Until that time, that party has permanently made itself illegitimate, as far as I'm concerned.

It took Bill Clinton and Al Gore to make Richard Nixon look classy.

Brett   ·  October 3, 2007 08:06 AM

As for those religious conservatives who are more loyal to their faith than their nation: shame on them. Do us a favor and don't exercise your vote at all.

Brett   ·  October 3, 2007 08:09 AM

If you want to see a site that really lays it down as far as where the 2008 candidates stand visit: http://www.outragedamerica.org. I have found it to be a great resource.

Victor   ·  October 4, 2007 01:44 PM

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