Genocide, The Jews, And The Six Million

I was having a discussion of a post at Classical Values My People with Brett. Let me reprise the gist of the short post:

If Hitler put them in camps they are my people. Count me with the Jews, the gays, the mental defectives, and the drug users.
Brett then asks:
What I don't understand is why so few see something so obvious.

As infected by New Deal collectivism as they were, the G.I. generation were born close enough to the Republic to admonish their children to "mind your own business!"

This folk phrase sums up the ideals of the American Revolution, enjoining us at once to take care of ourselves and to leave others alone, that they may do so.

For some reason, the postwar generations have not been able to stomach this concept.

My answer to Brett is as follows:

I've been trying to figure out where we went wrong. I blame it on the Jews (I'm Jewish myself so hang on a minute).

The genocides of WW2 were emphasized as against the Jews and solely promoted by the evil mad man Hitler. "Never again" was only about the Jews. The Jews made the mistake of only talking about the six million and not the twelve. I always thought it was a mistake to elevate Jewish suffering over the suffering of all of Hitlers victims. Jews in general still do it and it is wrong.

Instead of studying genocide as a process we have conceived of it as merely a historical event. Instead of seeing the roots in human nature, it was seen as particular to that time in history.

It all comes from the Jewish conception of man as inherently good. Such a view lets them forgive their enemies as misled. However, it opens the door for the next time.

I think the Catholic view of man as "fallen" comes closer to the truth. The tendency to genocide is in all of us and must be monitored in order to prevent its expression. We must stop looking for devils. Demon rum, demon drugs, demon people. Every instance of good and evil must be dealt with on its own merits.

We are hard wired to ascribe to the group the behaviors of individuals. To be civilized we must watch ourselves as much as we watch others. In a way we must all be Zen Masters if we wish to be and remain civilized.

Cross Posted at Power and Control

posted by Simon on 10.03.07 at 10:13 AM





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We are hard wired to ascribe to the group the behaviors of individuals. To be civilized we must watch ourselves as much as we watch others.

I think there's a corollary to this statement that you already touched on in the previous paragraph about looking for devils, including "demon people." That is, we are apt to ascribe to specific individuals weaknesses in human nature. In either case, bad stuff is something outside ourselves and something that happens to us.

Keeping to the argument that people are inherently good, I'm not sure which of the following I find more frightening:


  1. Inherently good people are so readily misled and apt to abandon principle that one man named Adolph can enlist millions to help him commit atrocities.

  2. Millions of inherently good people are powerless to stop the atrocities of one very powerful very misled man.


And in either case, this is happening not in some 3rd world country, but in the grand civilized Western World.

The "inherently good" assumption as an acting principle leads to all kinds of epistemological problems. How do you know when you're being misled? To their credit, those who live by the assumption of inherent goodness do tend to be people who emphasize education. They know their own Achille's heel.

This tendency to project human weakness plagues parties on both sides of the argument, however. I've never seen much distinction between the self-righteous attitudes struck by those who consider themselves highly educated or highly morally informed. Both often despise the other and both want power to fix other people's lives.

I think I prefer your Zen masters approach.

John.

John   ·  October 3, 2007 11:59 AM

It takes robust philosophy to resist this tendency.

The most surprised I've ever seen anyone was a student at an American university twenty years ago, after I'd thrown out the comment that "If one believes in freedom, one must tolerate much behavior one disapproves."

Brett   ·  October 3, 2007 12:51 PM


So far as I can tell the "essential goodness of man" in the West can be traced to Rousseau, although there are various Christian sects going rather far back that also made such a claim. The people I have known who believed it were generally ignorant of history, and took a very blinkered view of things, regarding all people as "just like them" for a start.

You are correct that the 6 million Jews have been trumped while the 6 million Gypsies, trade unionists, homosexuals, drug users, Protestant and Catholic Christians, Poles, Russians & other Slavs, and so forth tend to be forgotten. This makes the Holocaust a thing that "was done to the Jews" rather than something that was done to anyone that was on "the list" of the Nazis. Certainly the Senta and Romany peoples ("Gypsies") were specific targets for extermination just like the Jews, but since they tend to oral traditions rather than written, there just are never going to be the kind of memoirs that Jewish survivors of the camps created. So without a written memory, in time the stories fade.

Beyond that, one never, ever reads of the death camps of the Soviets, or the Chinese, or even the Khmer anymore. The Left somehow always finds these crimes to be both of no significance and somehow justifiable. Perhaps the fact that the Soviets targeted all religions (Christian, Jew, Buddhist, Moslem, etc.) and not just one has something to do with it. Or perhaps it's uglier; the Left still buys into Lenin's omelette, and the eggs broken are really of no significance. For whatever the reason, the lesson "collectivism is death" doesn't seem to be one that the Left wants the rest of us to learn.

Not A Philosoph   ·  October 9, 2007 08:03 PM

As for "mind your own business", the Progressives began attacking that idea fully 100 years ago. That the tradition lasted into the Socialist New Deal is a tribute to human adaptability and American stubbornness, but the sad fact remains that socialism, and the idea that the government ought to mind everyone's business (except the business of Progressives and those they like, of course) was inculcated into a generation during the 1930's and 40's, and has become a part of US overall culture.

You can see a tiny example in the Boston Globe article here:

http://www.bostonherald.com/news/opinion/op_ed/view.bg?articleid=1035832#articleFull

pediatricians asking children if their parents drink alcohol, own guns, smoke, etc. and in at least one case reporting gun ownership to the police. All in the name of protecting the chillldren, of course, and basically following the Marion Wright Edelman playbook of the 90's.

Funny how the left screams that the government has no business in anyone's bedroom, except of course if there's a gun involved. Then it's "Waco" time...

Not A Philosoph   ·  October 9, 2007 08:09 PM

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