Glenn Greenwald -- is there anything he's not a traitor to?

No gays in Iran? There aren't many Jews in Poland to this day.

As for Green Glennwald, being a traitor is like eating potato chip. You can't stop at just one. He's even a traitor to himself, evidently.

Of course there are no homosexuals in Iran.

They hung the last few the other day.

Not to be confined to the left, I heard Pat Buchanan the other morning on MSNBC propose a dialog with the new Hitler from Iran.
All Chamberlain like, you know.
But then what should we expect from one of Michael Savage's pets.

Greenwald should have standing to declare something "tiresome," though, being perhaps the most tiresome creature on the interwebs.

If only Sock puppets could be executed...

Ha! Sock puppets. This is way off topic, but did you ever see the sock puppet porno movie that "The Man Show" guys did several years ago? Absolutely hilarious. The "money shot" was done with that spray "Silly String" stuff.

Colombia U deserves the 'Lil Dude from Iran, the left deserves him, Greenwald deserves him (and should vacation in Tehran). The idiots on the left hate so much that they would sleep with the devil to to win a straw-man arguement.

Greenwald, antiAmerican loser living in some 3rd world country, is as relevant as Jimmy Carter.

Are you seriously suggesting that because Greenwald claims the hand-wringing over The Latest Hitler speaking at a US college was overblown (it was) -- that makes him a traitor?

Are you really that stupid?

The event was fantastic. A bunch of college-aged New Yorkers laughed the guy off the stage.

Good for Columbia for not listening to the hysterical shrinking violets on the right.

Blue Texan has it right. The Columbia students and professors put the little tyrant in his place.

This is how democracy works, you little pukes. The real traitors are the cowards who shout down opposing voices like Greenwald and others who make the obvious point that the hysteria was overblown.

And if you want to get upset about oppression in the middle east, ask Bush why he cozies up to a far more intolerant regime in Saudi Arabia. Details like that are terribly inconvenient for the wingnuts, though.

I can recall when Chinese government officials used to say that there were no homosexuals in China? I used to ask the Maoists I knew: "Well, maybe thats true, but then, what do you suppose the government of China did with them all?"

This is how democracy works, you little pukes.

Really?
You ought to look up the term "democracy" and get a more robust understanding of the term. Because a dictator speaking at a university has as much to do with "democracy" as me tying my shoe, idiot.

The real traitors are the cowards who shout down opposing voices

Funny how I don't hear silly leftists like you saying things like that when conservatives have objects thrown at them or the stage is rushed when they speak?
Now why do you think that is?

Hey Blue Texan, you just don't get it. Ahmadinejad may have been laughed at once or twice, but he was also applauded over and over again. And the event will be reported in the Arab world as a huge victory.

Read this to understand just how not "overblown" this event was:

http://fallbackbelmont.blogspot.com/2007/09/ahmadinejad-at-columbia.html

Oh no! What ARE we to do? The state-controlled media in the Middle East won't report the truth! The sky is falling!!!

Pathetic.

First, how funny is it that a guy who's blog is adorned with a Greek statue is railing about gays in Iran and Glenn Greenwald, who happens to be gay?

Second, I'm wondering how much of your right-wing febrily bloviated rage at Ahmadinejad is simply an acknowledgement of the fact that he stood up in front of a hostile audience and let them have their say about him, unlike certain, errrrrr, well-protected Presidents I could mention?

When you start being honest about this administration, we on the left will start taking you seriously. Until then, enjoy your fantasies!

I wonder how many of these wingnuts have served their country? They all like talking the talk, but I bet none have walked the walk. They really are, as Blue suggests, a bunch of sniveling pussies.

Oh, The Ace, your response was pure non sequitur, so don't expect me to answer. Raise your game, brother.

Only a traitor would actually excercise their Freedom of Speech®™.

How long ago in our country was it illegal to be homosexual ?

It is not Ahmadinejad that "placed the noose around their necks", it was the intolerance of their religion. When a theocracy considers gays are sinners, their plight is not difficult to foretell. I applaud Eric for highlighting the plight of homosexuals, not just in Iran, but overall.

Ohh yes Ahmadinijad is sooo brave facing words in the free-est nation on the planet. Tell me, lefty twits, how do his critics fair in Iran?

Tell me, enlightened leftards, is this guy being brave when he hangs gays and kills teenage girls for being "immoral"? Does your new hero allow the same freedom of speech for dissenters in his country that we allow here? Can you behave any more stupidly in your moral equivalence?

That you leftasses can't see this for the propaganda play that it is speaks to your naivete and failure to recognize totalitarianism for what it is.

It shouldn't take having Ace or anyone else to "come clean" about anything to acknowledge what an evil man this is. But, then again, if your the type that thinks W is worse, no amount of meds will cure that, I'm afraid.

Useful IDIOTs indeed.

Saudi Arabia executed gays as recently as 2000, and still routinely flogs and imprisons them. We have more recent pictures than that of Bush holding hands with Crown Prince Abdullah. Where is the wingnut outrage over that?

Idiots.

Sgt Ted, likely a Sgt only when he plays with GI Joe dolls, weighs in with a barely literate post that addresses nothing of what we said.

I would suggest you try again, GI Joe, but the second pass will be even more off topic than the first. No one is defending the little tyrant, and no one is saying anything about Bush, except how he supports one totalitarian state (Saudi Arabia). The point, you hysterical little twit, is that you and your ilk have burst into tears over a talk at a university. Rather than heat your little 90-IQ brain into a boil over why we are laughing at you, ask yourself why you live in such incredible fear? That is the real question.

The best part of this goons trip is that it's getting conservatives to defend homosexuality.

Off topic, but..

...How about a REAL DEBATE about the Iraq war?
Cheney/ Bush v Feingold/ Gore.
May the best ideas win.

nah, just kidding.
No American should really know what is happening in their name.
After all, it's the new Primetime TV season!

Well, I'm glad you care so much about homosexuality in other countries.

How about the one we're in,Iraq?

There's plenty of serious anti-gay violence and discrimination in nations WE'RE ALREADY IN. I think we should focus on what we can do before we use our legendary tolerance to go bomb Iran.

DU

The conservatives are just jealous that they can only burn crosses and drag homosexuals behind pick-up trucks....they would love state sponsored executions of gays here in the US...Dobson and Falwell have both said as much.

When you get Blue Texan and Charles Giacometti frothing in the comments, you know you've hit a nerve.

...they would love state sponsored executions of gays here in the US...Dobson and Falwell have both said as much.

Mad Matt, I call BS on you unless you can provide links!

I would suggest you try again, GI Joe, but the second pass will be even more off topic than the first. No one is defending the little tyrant, and no one is saying anything about Bush, except how he supports one totalitarian state (Saudi Arabia). The point, you hysterical little twit, is that you and your ilk have burst into tears over a talk at a university. Rather than heat your little 90-IQ brain into a boil over why we are laughing at you, ask yourself why you live in such incredible fear? That is the real question.

Hahaha. Wow! Who was it that burst into tears? Who writes rambling, incoherent posts?

Ding Ding! You're right, it's Charles!

Dude, which "side" are you on here? Are you saying that it's no big deal that Bush (and by extension all his wingnut cronies here) cozies up to Saudi Arabia and a bunch of other countries that allow the execution of gays, while simultaneously railing against ONE liberal commentator who happens to be gay for supporting Columbia in allowing the little freak to speak?

Fact is, wingnuts are massive hypocrites and SGT Ted was making that point here.

Anyone happen to notice the earlier post linking to the LA Times article? The one that chronicled the lives of gays in Iraq, post invasion --- sorry, LIEBERmanATION.
Something tells me that gay rights in Iraq aren't first and foremost on the minds of all the new champions for gay rights on this blog.

Regardless, Eric's initial post was just a bunch of bullshit in the first place.

Tell me, Eric - since the wingnut base has already accepted that Iran is part of the "axis of evil", and that we have been more or less at war with them since the 1970s, is Reagan a traitor for allowing arms sales (among some other real atrocities) to them in the 1980s?

Being a wingnut means never having to acknowledge the inconvenience of their past screw ups.

Being a wingnut means never having to acknowledge the inconvenience of their past screw ups. - KC · September 25, 2007 01:12 PM

If only they were as adept at policy both foreign and domestic as they are at photoshop and war cheerleading.

Wow. Pretty amazing comment section. Easy to tell most of the above are not Classical Values readers and have no idea what this site is about.

But then, it doesn't matter, I suppose. All conservatives are alike and all are responsible for every statement made by anyone who is deemed to be right of center. And none of them, least of all the author of this essay, are gay. Oops, I mean all of them ARE gay; closeted, self-hating gays! Except for the ones who support gay rights, who, of course, do it only occasionally, strategically, as part of a lager project to undermine gay rights.

We all know that!

What's funny is the immediate move to kill the messenger and discredit Greenwald with the sockpuppet meme.

He could argue circles around any of you on the issues. That he's also gay must really burn your arses. (pun intended)

Charles, The Ace is not only a walking non sequiter but a true purveyor of hate, a person so wrapped in the flag that I'm thankful he can't unfurl himself to fulfill his destiny of killing libruls..

I'd post that on his site but he doesn't like differing points of view (something they'll claim in every thread is a hallmark of the left)

Enlist. Cheeto-stained piece of chickenshit.

That way you can serve under General "ass-kissing little piece of chickenshit".

I couldn't have said it better myself, so I won't:

http://commonsense.ourfuture.org/bet_wetter_nation

When will the crybabies on the right finally, finally just shut up?

Oops, I mean all of them ARE gay; closeted, self-hating gays! Except for the ones who support gay rights, who, of course, do it only occasionally, strategically, as part of a lager project to undermine gay rights.

No, I'm not a regular reader here, but you need to learn how to argue a point coherently.

"Except for the ones who support gay rights, who, of course, do it only occasionally, strategically, as part of a lager project to undermine gay rights."

-Nice strawman. However I'd love it if you could find me a couple of prominent republican presidential candidates who openly support gay rights. That means RIGHTS, not the right to live and work amongst us. While you're at it, find me a prominent Democrat who is publicly ANTI-GAY RIGHTS and then goes and 1)molests boys, 2)solicits sex in an airport stall and pleads guilty 3)Seeks out young men on websites and through personals.

You see, it's the hypocrisy on the right that is just plain disgusting. These are the people OPENLY SAYING that being gay is a sin, working to deny them rights, and SIMULTANEOUSLY being closeted gays themselves. OH WAIT! Nevermind! They aren't gay - they just had a momentary lapse of reason, conscience, and their personal relationship with GOD AND JESUS.

Tell me, enlightened leftards, is this guy being brave when he hangs gays and kills teenage girls for being "immoral"? Does your new hero allow the same freedom of speech for dissenters in his country that we allow here? Can you behave any more stupidly in your moral equivalence?

SGT Ted

The problem with your rant, Sgt Studenko, is that we are describing how AMERICA should act - not Iran. America should allow the debate because open debate is what makes us strong and envied around the world. Everytime the guy from Iran speaks, people realize how silly he is. he should be allowed to speak, because he will be laughed at. That is what we want: the world knowing what a nutjob he is. If you were proud of your country and felt it was strong you would not care who spoke. Beacuse bush has so frightened you big, strong types, you are deathly afraid of WORDS. You should be ashamed. Its called the first amendment nimrod!

"Glenn Greenwald -- is there anything he's not a traitor to?"

America, for starters.

I shall try, however unlikely I am to succeed, to explain to our conservative brethren a couple of important points.

1) I don't have to agree with you, or think the same way you do, or even consider your opinions valid in any way, for you to speak at a college. Ann Coulter gets to peddle her seething rage and angst to ollege students. Why not a tyrant from the Middle East? The White House has had members o the Taliban over, but Ahmadinejad at Colombia is over the top? Oh, please.

2) Listening patiently to someone with whom you violently disagree, until you have your opportunity to speak, is quintessentially American. Anyone who can't or won't grasp that has fundamentally lost touch with what America is about.

3) Please, please stop asking why should let him do here, what he won't let them do there. That is the same atrophied thinking that only considers more American dead a waste if we lose. Winning makes the dying worthwhile. Wow, that's a powerful lot of ignorant, there.

Finally, to the author of this blog: If you want to chastise folks about civility, and you're all about inconsistency, then maybe you should have mentioned something about the mental midgets who accused an opinion columnist of treason because of a political column. That's just pathetic.

When I first started reading Blogs and comments I would get angry at the inane statements and pointless insults in the comments sections. Not anymore. You weren't here yesterday, you won't be here tomorrow and you didn't add anything of value today. To re-write phrase...I hear your keyboard clicking but all I read is blah, blah, blah, Haliburton!

Eric, you really must keep this comment thread, maybe make a post out of it! F'ing priceless! ROTFLOL

It looks to me like this little walled garden of wingnuttia, complete with its blessing from Instacracker, was invaded by some people with common sense. This led some the wingnuts to reply with bizarre, nonsensical remarks, replete with "ROTFLOL."

Gregory is right about one thing, though. We are here today laughing at the sight of a bunch of gutless authoritarians peeing their pants, and we won't be back tomorrow.

Eric, was there somewhere in your post where you defended our relationship with the al-Sauds? If so, I missed it, though others obviously didn't.

Good point Sean. I'm sure the Saudis would deny the "phenomenon" of homosexuality too. We can be selective in our human rights outrages. However, Iran with an atomic weapon will cause alot of pants peeing.

So if the Right is so outraged by the Iranian president's remarks denying that homosexuals exist, will they themselves admit that homosexuals exist in America and give them equal rights under the law? Is this blog on the record as supporting gay marriage? If so, I fully support the point!

The logic here is that free speech is okay only under specific conditions having to do with how much you agree with or approve of the speaker.

Greenwald's publisher, Salon, is running this story with a photo of the same Iranian hanging today:
http://www.salon.com/opinion/feature/2007/09/26/iran_gays/

Wasn't the right wing in America fighting for gay sex to be an imprisonable offense as far back as... 2003?
http://www.cnn.com/2003/LAW/06/26/scotus.sodomy/

Wasn't the president of the United States going from state to state in our country in 2004 getting cheering crowds riled up by suggesting that allowing gays the same right to marriage that straights have would be such an insulting perversion to the institution of marriage as to destroy it completely?

The right in America seems to love to point to even more rabidly right wing regimes and say, "See? We're not THAT bad about our civil rights abuses!" But what keeps them from being THAT bad? The left in America.

Ahmadinejad was given a democratic forum in which to be asked real questions by Americans who weren't reading off a pre-approved script. Americans invited him to show his true colors, he did, and he was practically laughed out of the house, rightfully so.

Be interesting to see Bush agree to such a forum some day... Unimaginable, but interesting to think about.

Kevin,

Fat chance on seeing Bush do the same.
He's a republican. Republicans know what they say is complete bullsh**.
That's why they don't like to debate on a level playing field.
They know Americans would see through the bullsh** they spout and laugh them off stage.

BTW, Ahmanijad (sp?) knows who the Saddam supporters really are. They're conservatives like Reagan, Rummy, and the Bushes.
Why else would they offer Saddam support after he used WMDs.
(Calling those against the Iraq war "Saddam lovers" is what's called "projecting" in psychology).

Who knew the heavy metal scene in Iran kicked so much ass? Tehran Rock City!!!

So... the right-wing is pro gay rights now?

Me no get it.

Why do people on the right find it necessary to toss around the word traitor when they disagree with somebody? It dilutes the impact of whatever they say because they can't be taken seriously. Being a real traitor brings a high price. Just ask Benedict Arnold or Ethel and Julius Rosenberg. I do hope that all of you righties disparaging I'madinnerjacket's claim of no homosexuals in Iran will now argue for their complete inclusion into American society -- and that means allowing them to marry, too.

The Radical Right are now pro-gay because Rupert Murdoch told them to be. Nice. Very nice. And as soon as we're bombing kids in Iran, then it'll be back to denying gay people human rights. I'd put money on it.

Two of the first three comments call Greenwald a "traitor." Any response to that, Mr. Civil Blogger?

You state, ludicrously, "As I've argued repeatedly, the left is at least as opposed to sexual freedom as the people they denounce on the right..."

Just what is your point about gays in Iran anyway? As opposed to gays in Saudi Arabia or Iraq?

Speaking of the right-wing agenda to liberate gays in Iran through bombing, how is it working out for the liberation of women in Iraq and Afghanistan?

The "classical value" you represent is sophistry - complete with photoshop.

Goddam. This blog has been pwned

Speaking of gay, I find the statue you have of a probably 13 year old boy, at the top of the page, Ancient Greek men would educate and have sex with. Good touch.