the dead men who weren't men

I keep noticing a cyclical process in which news drives speculation, and speculation then fuels opinion.

Much as I get tired of seeing it repeated, I'm not immune from the process. As I just told a friend in an email, I keep wondering why Seung Cho wasn't simply jumped on by all these doomed people he was systematically shooting. Why didn't some of them act like the passengers on Flight 93? He couldn't shoot in all directions at the same time, and he had no accomplice.

I see I am not alone in my speculations:

College classrooms have scads of young men who are at their physical peak, and none of them seems to have done anything beyond ducking, running, and holding doors shut. Meanwhile, an old man hurled his body at the shooter to save others.

Something is clearly wrong with the men in our culture. Among the first rules of manliness are fighting bad guys and protecting others: in a word, courage. And not a one of the healthy young fellows in the classrooms seems to have done that.

It's very easy to speculate about these things, but is it fair to to make pronouncements and judgments about people based on what seems to have happened?

I wasn't there, and I have not seen a video of what happened. Via Glenn Reynolds, I read about the heroic action of the Holocaust survivor who threw himself on the gunman:

Professor Liviu Librescu, 76, threw himself in front of the shooter when the man attempted to enter his classroom. The Israeli mechanics and engineering lecturer was shot to death, "but all the students lived - because of him," Virginia Tech student Asael Arad - also an Israeli - told Army Radio.

Several of Librescu's other students sent e-mails to his wife, Marlena, telling of how he had blocked the gunman's way and saved their lives, said Librescu's son, Joe.

"My father blocked the doorway with his body and asked the students to flee," Joe Librescu said in a telephone interview from his home outside of Tel Aviv. "Students started opening windows and jumping out."

In retrospect, I think it would have been better for the students to have emulated their teacher and jumped the gunman instead of jumping out the window.

Things always look better in retrospect.

Everyone seems to know what seems to have happened, and particularly what should have happened. Men aren't men anymore, which means the dead students weren't men, but they "should have been," and had they been, they'd be alive today.

I think this comes close to blaming the victims, and while I know it's not the same thing as saying that they deserved to die, it still isn't fair, because there's no way to know what people didn't do. Had Professor Librescu's students not survived to tell the story of what he did, he'd be an unknown hero.

Can anyone know for sure that there weren't some real men who died?

Or is it better to speculate that there weren't?

UPDATE: Via Glenn Reynolds, Dafydd of Big Lizards thinks it is a certainty that some of the students had an opportunity to do something but did nothing:

Maybe someone charged at the gunman -- but foul fate intervened, and the butcher heard, turned, and added another victim to his hellish toll. Anyone so killed is as heroic as Professor Librescu.

But -- and I hate the thought, even as it screams insistently -- it is virtually inevitable that there were others who were there, who saw an opportunity, but who were frozen to the spot with dread. Or else they talked themselves into believing that there was nothing they could do. Or worst of all... some must have done nothing because they had been carefully taught that "nothing" was what they were supposed to do. I cannot help thinking that for many students at Virginia Tech yesterday, just as for the fifteen British sailors and marines, "fighting back was not an option," because to them, it is never an option.

If that is true, it's certainly lamentable. I still find myself wondering about the element of being taken by surprise though. How many of these people were just sitting in classrooms when suddenly the door burst open and the guy immediately started shooting? Might they have been in the state Colonel Jeff Cooper referred to as "condition white"? While Cooper was a warrior and he used to teach about overcoming this condition, how many college students would even know what it is?

I would not be surprised to see some Flight 93 behavior the next time this happens. Because once that "we're all gonna die" realization sinks in, people tend to fight for their lives.

But whether Flight 93 behavior kicks in or or not, I'm unable to agree that the failure of college students to display warrior virtues when subjected to a surprise attack is necessarily a judgment on society.

MORE: It occurs to me that most of us have been taught what even soldiers consider to be common sense: take cover when shooting starts.

I don't think unarmed civilians behave as cowards when they do the same thing.

posted by Eric on 04.19.07 at 11:34 AM





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I hadn't heard any of that speculation (but then, I ignore most media frenzies). You're right. It's more than mistaken, it's offensive.

The shootings happened quickly-no time for Flight 93-style planning. It sounds like most of the shootings happened indoors, so there is little or no opportunity to "surround" the shooter. We don't know the distances involved. We haven't heard about the guy who got out last because he helped others out the windows first. Or the guy who threw himself in front of the shooter, but failed to save his classmates and so there is no one to tell of his heroic effort.

What is it in the human (or western, or liberal, or whatever) psyche that demands we point fingers, assign blame at someone other than the shooter, to denigrate the victims? To imaginatively place ourselves in the scene and make ourselves the hero, and then insult those who actually were there for not living up to our high, imagined, standards?

tim maguire   ·  April 19, 2007 11:43 AM

There are several factors which intuition says probably contributed:

  • From the time kids are babies until the end of high school, they are told that fighting is what bad kids do, and not to do it.
  • Those with the urge to protect others before themselves are in Iraq and Afghanistan, not Southwest Virginia.
  • The cops are always saying not to fight back.
  • It's a gun free zone. He can't possibly have a gun.
  • No one told them to fight back, that they had offensive capability and could fight back.
    • That last point bears expansion. Ever had an object, such as a ball, thrown at you when you weren't expecting it, even in a context where you should be? It takes a lot of concentration to deal with it.

Now imagine a college textbook flying at you. You can't catch it with a gun in your hand. A hail of textbooks, pens, cell phones, backpacks, and furniture would be impossible to deal with for an attacker.

That's how kids should be trained, from kindergarten, to react to someone who threatens them or their teacher.

Instead, they're trained to be helpless targets.

Socrates   ·  April 19, 2007 12:06 PM

One of the news accounts describes the shooter initially targeting the front row of the classroom. Effectively neutralizing his most immediate threats.

I don't know what the classrooms of that building look like but if they are anything like some of the upper level classrooms I attended then they are cramped and crowded.

Meaning that anyone not hit by the initial barrage likely faced an obstacle course of tables, chairs and bodies before they could effectively close with the shooter. Crossing an obstacle course under direct fire is tough for the martially trained and conditioned, asking -much less expecting - such action from anyone else is absurd.

ThomasD   ·  April 19, 2007 08:54 PM

Feminism.

America is a matriarchy.

Feminism has triumphed. Long live feminism!

anonymous   ·  April 20, 2007 01:09 AM

I'm a moderator at Rantburg. We had a similar debate recently about this issue. So about those firearms, etc, here's my opinion --

Go read Bill Whittle (I'll wait). Bill notes corectly that most of us are sheep. Very few of us are sheepdogs. We sheep generally believe in the law and believe that if there is a problem (that is, a wolf), a police officer will come along and take care of it. Events like Columbine, Virginia Tech, etc are notable because 1) they are horrible tragedies and 2) they are very rare, compared to what we encounter in our daily lives.

Sure, the young students could have shot the attacker -- if they had weapons, and had their weapons on them, and had the training and ability to hit their target the first time and not bystanders, and if they had the composure to pull it together in the no more than two to three seconds warning they would have had.

They could have rushed the attacker, thrown books and pens at him, and tackled him to the ground -- if they had the presence of mind to do so, and if they had had some previous training to help steady their nerves and will, and if they had recognized what was happening prior to the gunman bursting into their classroom.

In other words, if they had been sheepdogs and not sheep.

Glenn Reynolds remarked on his blog recently that he'd never had any training whatsoever on what to do in such a situation on campus. I'm also on the faculty at a major university (I teach medicine), and I also have never had one lick of training on something like this.

Despite my growl and seeming fierce demeanor on the web, deep down I suspect I'm just a well-educated sheep. I suppose I'd 'know' the right thing to do if a gunman burst into my clinic or classroom.

But Lordy, you wouldn't want to depend on me.

I don't have the training to jump a shooter. I don't have the training to shoot an attacker. I don't have the skills and verve and decision-making to do it. At least not today. I suspect that in the second or two I'd have to make that decision I'd lock up. If I was still alive I'd hope my brain would start working again and I'd do something that could help, but those two seconds might well mean I'd be lying there on the classroom floor in a puddle of my own blood.

That's not a happy thought to contemplate. None of this is.

Steve White   ·  April 20, 2007 09:26 PM

What is left out is temprament.

Some people are lousy at day to day life, but are excellent in emergencies. Generally such folks are not taking engineering degrees.

As some one pointed out such folks are in Iraq, Afghanistan, etc.

Professor L. was unusual in that regard.

The key to getting ordinary humans to charge an ambush is training.

M. Simon   ·  April 20, 2007 11:19 PM

I don't think its 'blaming the victim' to say 'well, maybe, and I do mean maybe, because we don't know enough about what really happened to say for sure, the victims could have done something better.'

Its my opinion that most of the time people could do better.

And those who emphasized training are correct. I was trained by a rather morbid mother who feared kidnapping, and quoted statistics saying you were safer if you fled than if you submitted.

So when two thugs approached my car at night, I was already running before I made the conscious decision to do so.

In the situation where it was just me, two thugs, night in a bad n'hood, and my .45 locked inside the truck...I am virtually certain I made the correct choice.

What we need is an equivalent or better training for our young men to help them very rapidly decide--fight or flee, and then carry it out with boldness, and some skill.

So, if my mother, who was by no means a law enforcement professional, can potentially save her son's life with some lectures...well, we should be able to do better than her.

And CS Lewis was right--create men without chests, and then ask why there is no courage is the act of a man without foresight.

Tennwriter   ·  April 21, 2007 05:40 PM


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