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December 06, 2003
Does Phelps really hate fags?
(Or does he just enjoy putting words in God's mouth for effect?) Speaking of satire, I hate to say this, but Fred Phelps's position that a monument condemning Matthew Shepherd to Hell is analogous to the Ten Commandments is a very clever way of mocking the Ten Commandments by satire. Simply put, it's a moral equivalency argument ad absurdum. Phelps is declaring that he knows that God sent Matthew Shepherd to Hell, and his legal position is that this is analogous to the Decalogue (which of course is claimed to be a set of orders from God). The difference is in the numbers: millions believe the Ten Commandments came directly from God, whereas Phelps's adherents number only in the hundreds (if that). As gay activists acknowledge (link via InstaPundit), any success by Phelps will ultimately derail future displays of the Ten Commandments. Calling the monument's message "reprehensible," Lara Schwartz, senior counsel for the gay-rights advocacy group the Human Rights Campaign, said the church nonetheless has a "very good legal argument."Fascinating to see covert alliances in action. And you know, taking the broad general view of things, Phelps's position on gays isn't any different than his position on anyone who disagrees with his "5 Point Calvinist" theology: they're all going to Hell! Anyone preaching otherwise is a Hell-bound false prophet, a messenger of Satan, to whom we say, Anathema Maranatha! and, Let him be accursed of God!I think that's about as inclusive as you can get. Phelps is obviously a very fair man. (And I am sure he's loads of fun to work with!)
I know I am straying from my point, but.... Is Phelps a Satanist? posted by Eric on 12.06.03 at 08:26 PM
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Hey Tim, I did not call him a Calvinist. They are his words, taken from his website. (I all but called him a Satanist.) ;) Eric Scheie · December 7, 2003 08:03 AM ok then :) Tim · December 7, 2003 01:33 PM It looks to me like Phelps is emphasizing the Limited Atonement (that, from before the beginning of creation, God predestined most of the human race to be damned), while Tim, more benignly, is emphasizing the other 4 points. Steven Malcolm Anderson · December 7, 2003 04:01 PM I'm going to have to say that I disagree with Isaac Bonewits regarding Anton La Vey and Right-Wing Satanism. La Vey has long been one of my heroes, like Ayn Rand and Camille Paglia, a philosophical heir to Stirner and Nietzsche. I agree with the values he articulates of pride, power, and mastery. But, then again, in Bonewits's spectrum, I'm a Paleo-Pagan or at least a Meso-Pagan, by definition Rightist on many spectrums. Steven Malcolm Anderson · December 12, 2003 02:56 PM |
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Please don't call that... man... a Calvinist.
True Calvinists believe that as deeply as man did fall, Christ voluntarily descended to bring us back to Himself. Grace conquers sin, that's the whole point. Unfortunately it is people like this who have dragged my sect through the mud.