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June 19, 2005
Punishment poll
Glenn Reynolds agrees with Andrew Stuttaford's analysis of the latest incident of judicial tyranny in which an American woman and her husband were sentenced to eight years for serving alcohol to minors. According to this report in the Richmond Times-Dispatch George and Elisa Robinson threw a party for their 16-year-old son at which alcohol was served. No big deal so far as I’m concerned, but foolish in that such behavior was against the law. The cops came, and the Robinsons were charged.Eight years seems pretty rough to me, especially if this is a first offense. Perhaps it's time for the American authorities to look abroad for guidance. There are other countries which take the use of alcohol far more seriously. Like Iran. Although those convicted of morality offenses are routinely flogged in detention centers, public lashings had been extremely rare until recently. Hard-liners insist that the Koran, Islam's holy book, sanctions 80 lashes for drinking alcohol. Others say the punishment is discretionary, and that the application of such sentences in public is an incorrect interpretation of the Koran. According to Amnesty International, 70-80 lashes appears to be the standard punishment for alcohol offenses -- regardless of whether the alcohol was supplied or merely consumed. In another case, a manufacturer of poisoned alcohol which killed people was sentenced to three years in prison, while his subordinates received 154 lashes. The law does not appear to distinguish between adults and minors; boys of fourteen also get the 80 lashes. Under Islamic law, on the third offense, the death penalty is possible in theory, although the one reported case I could find also states that the sentence could be set aside after the accused repented. (I could find no report of any actual execution.) According to most accounts, Iranian prohibition hasn't worked, and alcohol is easily obtainable. Perhaps 80 lashes isn't enough of a deterrent. Maybe eight years is a more effective punishment after all. I don't mean to mock M.A.D.D., nor am I trying to be flippant. But I think eight years in prison for supplying alcohol is an outrage which makes the typical Islamic punishment look lenient by comparison. I know I'd rather take the 80 lashes than the eight years. (The former would be over after a week or so of healing, plus some scars; the latter would consist of eight years of being subjected to the exquisite refinements of prison life!) But I could be way out of line. So, at the risk of being excessively democratic, I think it's time for a reader poll. What do you think? Which punishment would you prefer? Eight years? Or eighty lashes?
Article 27 – Whipping is executed by a leather strap with strands woven together, and approximate length of 1 meter (3.5 feet), and approximate diameter of 1.5 cm (0.6 inch).Hey, don't look at me! I didn't write these laws! Ask the Mullahs Against Drunk Dhimmitude or whatever they're called over there. posted by Eric on 06.19.05 at 05:46 PM
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I agree. As for punishment of criminals more generally, I have long been an advocate of reviving corporal punishment for most crimes, as both fiercer and yet ultimately more humane than imprisonment. As G. K. Chesterton put it: "Beat him about with a big stick and then let him go free forever." Steven Malcolm Anderson the Lesbian-worshipping man's-man-admiring myth-based egoist · June 20, 2005 02:50 AM This paragraph is telling: Even though Howe was angry with Lisa Robinson for throwing the party, she doesn't believe Robinson is a fabricator. In her opinion, "These parents have a vested interest to lie and say they were told no alcohol would be present because they could be prosecuted for letting their kids go." What good is a law, and accompanying public attitudes, that virtually beg people to lie about activities that may be dangerous? I'm all for discouraging teenage drinking, but this is ridiculous. These parents were trying to do the right thing by allowing kids to drink under controlled circumstances. (But, that said, I also think these parents may have screwed the pooch in some very important ways: by not trying to regulate how much each kid got, by serving beverages whose alcoholic content was not obvious, perhaps by inviting too many people, and definitely by doing the whole thing as an explicit cave-in to one teen who had, according to the article, "theratened" to drink elsewhere.) Raging Bee · June 20, 2005 09:39 AM |
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As painful as the lashing would undoubtedly be, going eight years without seeing your son grow up is infinitely worse.
The sentence employs some seriously perverse logic. Presumably the reason for outlawing serving alcohol to minors is because it has the potential to corrupt their lives. Yet the effect of jailing a 16-year-old's parents for *eight years* would accomplish that far more thoroughly than the fact that mom and dad let them toss back a few Budweisers at a party.
Sick stuff.