No one was really hurt! Besides, it's funny!

I don't know whether this is a hate crime, but it certainly qualifies as an assault:

TUCSON, Ariz. - Two men ran onstage and threw custard pies at conservative columnist Ann Coulter as she was giving a speech at the University of Arizona, hitting her in the shoulder, police said.

University police arrested the men but did not release their identities.

In her half-hour speech Thursday night, Coulter trashed Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry and derided liberals and Democrats while saluting conservative students who attended her speech.

Coulter writes a column for Universal Press Syndicate. Her appearance was sponsored by the UA College Republicans.

Here are the two pie throwers themselves, looking pretty smug.

What's the difference between throwing a pie at someone and throwing a rotten egg? Or, for that matter, urine or excrement? Saliva? (Link via InstaPundit.) Is the fact that pies are edible relevant?

As I read this, I wondered.... When was the last time someone threw a pie at a leftist? Had it ever happened?

Oddly enough it has happened. In 1998, a pie was thrown at San Francisco Mayor Willie Brown by leftier-than-thou activists (a move which backfired):

What it did create was a counterattack by Brown's supporters, who, incredibly, claimed that by pieing Brown (an African American) the group exhibited racist behavior. Confronted with attacks on its own politics, the BBB quickly apologized to Brown supporters for how the act could have been perceived, and met with some of them to, as Komisaruk puts it, "try to get some healing out of this."

The Brown episode is not the BBB's only misstep. Says Pope: "They pied me because they believed I had not opposed the Quincy Library bill," a legislative attempt environmentalists claim will increase logging in California's northeastern forests. But, he says, the Sierra Club did fight it: "[That is] a bill both the Sierra Club and I spent an enormous amount of time and energy opposing." Pope's annoyance with the misplaced anger of the BBB is only exacerbated by what he sees as the short attention span of the media. "The press covering this is not saying, Do these people know anything about the issues they're talking about? They're saying, These pie people threw a pie."

Well, I guess if it's racist to pie Willie Brown (the pie-throwers did receive jail time) then it must have been sexist for these two young men to have pied Ann Coulter.

What if the victim is an elderly Jew? According to the pie-throwers themselves, Milton Friedman was pied for the crime of "neoliberalism." In another instance of brave activism, Robert Shapiro was pied for advocating genetic engineering instead of sustainable agriculture.

The pie in the face draws attention to your cause.
The video of Mr. Friedman being hit by the pie (which makes that and many other assertions) can be seen here.

In short, pie-throwing is seen as offering an improved form of political dialogue. If people either do not agree with (or fail to pay adequate attention to) whatever cause is advocated, then the pie not only gets the attention of those with whom the activists disagree, but by injecting drama, it poses as a form of expression. Pie throwers analogize to flag burning.
During their trial, the lawyers for the Cherry Pie Three argued that pie-throwing is an act of political protest. More than once, defense attorney Katya Komisaruk remarked that "throwing a pie is like burning the flag."

Actually, says the Sierra Club's Carl Pope, "it's like being slugged. The pie has nothing to do with it -- it's the fist behind the pie."

(Yeah, they hit the Sierra Club president too. I guess he's also a leftist.)

While there's nothing funny about being slugged, somehow being hit with a pie is seen as funny. Harmless. Noble.

Here's another pieing explanation:

Pie-slinging is the latest implement in a diverse toolbox of global activist resistance. Few things are as effective in subverting shareholders' meetings, conferences and keynote speeches, as a well-placed pie and a captivating press release.

One aspect of this new campaign is nothing gets hurt except the image and ego of the targets.

In Ann Coulter's case, it is felt that no one will sympathize with her, because she's an outspoken conservative.

But wouldn't there have been more sympathy had the victim been Michael Moore and the pie-thrower a young Republican? Well, Moore's a big man; how about, say, Christopher Reeve's wife? In any of these cases, "nothing was hurt except the image and the ego of the targets." The thinking seems to be that whether or not pie-throwing is justifiable has something to do with whether the target "deserved it."

I think that's ridiculously subjective, and certainly not legally relevant. If I throw a pie at a total stranger walking down the street, why is that worse than if I selected someone deliberately? Why is the latter "funny" but not the former? To randomly pie someone simply because the pie-thrower is in the mood (or wants to engage in a little target practice) would seem to involve less malice than deliberately selecting a victim.

Or is the point whether or not the victim is considered guilty of having bad ideas? Being on the opposite side of an argument?

Is that it? Are we reduced to blaming the victim in these cases?

What happens if things start to snowball out of control? It happened here last winter:

PHILADELPHIA -- Some children playing in the snow in West Philadelphia Wednesday got a scare when a man they hit with a snowball allegedly pulled a gun on them.

The incident allegedly happened Wednesday morning in the 4400 block of Haverford Avenue.

Police said the 51-year-old man was hit in the face with a snowball. He then reportedly pointed a gun at several kids involved.

Police have not filed charges against the man, so NBC 10 News is not releasing his name. Investigators said they are getting a search warrant for his home.

(I wouldn't want to throw a pie at that guy..... As a practical matter, it's never a good idea to startle people whose mental condition and defensive capabilities are unknown.)

Just today, Professor Bainbridge quoted two prominent leftist bloggers on the snowballing effect:

Small acts of nastiness and mean-spiritedness become common, and after awhile begin adding up. There's nothing organized, just an environment where politics actually begin to poison our community wells. (Via Glenn Reynolds.)
I can't think of anyone I disagree with more than Michael Moore (or Noam Chomsky). Yet I wouldn't attempt even to shout either man down, much less throw pies at them. The use of violence to oppose political disagreement isn't justifiable by any standard that I know of. Characterizing it as "funny," far from legitimizing it, only introduces sadism (pleasure from inflicting violence on others) into the equation.

Professor Bainbridge also observes that "busting up other people's speeches was a classic Hitlerian tactic." While it's true that those who break up others' speeches are behaving like Nazis in that respect, it requires sharing more than one mutual characteristic of Nazis to make one a Nazi.

Abhorrent though it is, pie throwing is a far cry from Nazism, because Nazism was probably the most morally repugnant political movement in human history, and the accusation of being a Nazi is justifiably considered one of the worst insults which can be hurled at anyone.

Which means that to the extent that those who throw pies call their victims Nazis, that only renders their conduct all the more heinous.

UPDATE: Earlier, The Guardian published a piece expressing sympathy with the assassination of President Bush.

The world will endure four more years of idiocy, arrogance and unwarranted bloodshed, with no benevolent deity to watch over and save us. John Wilkes Booth, Lee Harvey Oswald, John Hinckley Jr - where are you now that we need you?
(A sentiment the writer would probably think is even funnier than a pie toss.)

Well I'll be hornswaggled! They've pulled the story! Here's the explanation:

Screen Burn, The Guide

Sunday October 24, 2004
The Guardian

The final sentence of a column in The Guide on Saturday caused offence to some readers. The Guardian associates itself with the following statement from the writer.

"Charlie Brooker apologises for any offence caused by his comments relating to President Bush in his TV column, Screen Burn. The views expressed in this column are not those of the Guardian. Although flippant and tasteless, his closing comments were intended as an ironic joke, not as a call to action - an intention he believed regular readers of his humorous column would understand. He deplores violence of any kind."

I get it now! Oswald, Booth and Hinckley are, like, a comedy team!

Har!

Here's the Google cache. (I saved the original text for anyone who wants to read it.)






Charlie Brooker
Saturday October 23, 2004
The Guardian








Heady times. The US election draws ever nearer, and while the rest of the world bangs its head against the floorboards screaming "Please God, not Bush!", the candidates clash head to head in a series of live televised debates. It's a bit like American Idol, but with terrifying global ramifications. You've got to laugh.

Or have you? Have you seen the debates? I urge you to do so. The exemplary BBC News website (www.bbc.co.uk/news) hosts unexpurgated streaming footage of all the recent debates, plus clips from previous encounters, through Reagan and Carter, all the way back to Nixon versus JFK.

Watching Bush v Kerry, two things immediately strike you. First, the opening explanation of the rules makes the whole thing feel like a Radio 4 parlour game. And second, George W Bush is... well, he's... Jesus, where do you start?

The internet's a-buzz with speculation that Bush has been wearing a wire, receiving help from some off-stage lackey. Screen grabs appearing to show a mysterious bulge in the centre of his back are being traded like Top Trumps. Prior to seeing the debate footage, I regarded this with healthy scepticism: the whole "wire" scandal was just wishful thinking on behalf of some amateur Michael Moores, I figured. And then I watched the footage.

Quite frankly, the man's either wired or mad. If it's the former, he should be flung out of office: tarred, feathered and kicked in the nuts. And if it's the latter, his behaviour goes beyond strange, and heads toward terrifying. He looks like he's listening to something we can't hear. He blinks, he mumbles, he lets a sentence trail off, starts a new one, then reverts back to whatever he was saying in the first place. Each time he recalls a statistic (either from memory or the voice in his head), he flashes us a dumb little smile, like a toddler proudly showing off its first bowel movement. Forgive me for employing the language of the playground, but the man's a tool.

So I sit there and I watch this and I start scratching my head, because I'm trying to work out why Bush is afforded any kind of credence or respect whatsoever in his native country. His performance is so transparently bizarre, so feeble and stumbling, it's a miracle he wasn't laughed off the stage. And then I start hunting around the internet, looking to see what the US media made of the whole "wire" debate. And they just let it die. They mentioned it in passing, called it a wacko conspiracy theory and moved on.

Yet whether it turns out to be true or not, right now it's certainly plausible - even if you discount the bulge photos and simply watch the president's ridiculous smirking face. Perhaps he isn't wired. Perhaps he's just gone gaga. If you don't ask the questions, you'll never know the truth.

The silence is all the more troubling since in the past the US news media has had no problem at all covering other wacko conspiracy theories, ones with far less evidence to support them. (For infuriating confirmation of this, watch the second part of the must-see documentary series The Power Of Nightmares (Wed, 9pm, BBC2) and witness the absurd hounding of Bill Clinton over the Whitewater and Vince Foster non-scandals.)

Throughout the debate, John Kerry, for his part, looks and sounds a bit like a haunted tree. But at least he's not a lying, sniggering, drink-driving, selfish, reckless, ignorant, dangerous, backward, drooling, twitching, blinking, mouse-faced little cheat. And besides, in a fight between a tree and a bush, I know who I'd favour.

On November 2, the entire civilised world will be praying, praying Bush loses. And Sod's law dictates he'll probably win, thereby disproving the existence of God once and for all. The world will endure four more years of idiocy, arrogance and unwarranted bloodshed, with no benevolent deity to watch over and save us. John Wilkes Booth, Lee Harvey Oswald, John Hinckley Jr - where are you now that we need you?

posted by Eric on 10.22.04 at 05:51 PM





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Those two look smug? A bit dejected perhaps, but not smug. We'll have to find you 'true smugness.' Wait that smirkaroo of Jerry Falwell....that smugness.

gina in spasville   ·  October 23, 2004 02:37 AM

Yeah! Someone ought to pie that smug Falwell jerk!

You'll get your comeuppance, God-boy!

Dennis   ·  October 23, 2004 08:27 AM

Well, in a perfect world, they would have pie-ed Ann in a private moment and she would have had the grace to laugh about it and buy them a drink afterwards. Everyone wants to see Ann get a pie in the face, but no one wants to see her get chased off stage like this.

The pie thing is funny on TV, but it is hard to imagine that actually being funny if it happened to you in real life. I'm not sure that I could have handled it as graciously as I hoped Ann would have above.

Same thing goes with the Michelle Malkin speech that was interrupted at Berkeley a while back. Her ideas are malformed. Her ideology is atrocious. And people tell me that she is a bad person. But let the gal have the opportunity to speak.

bink   ·  October 23, 2004 10:01 AM

What little I know about Ann Coulter (which really amounts to her obnoxious segments in the otherwise compelling FahrenHYPE 9-11 and what others have told me about her) leads me to think she's a jackass, but no one deserves a pie in the face, and it's never funny -- unless of course the 3 Stooges are involved.

Incidentally, did anyone notice that in the police report the culprits referred to their stunt as al Pieda?

Is that funny too?

Dennis   ·  October 23, 2004 10:49 AM

About as funny as Laszlo Toth smashing Michelangelo's "Piedà."

Eric Scheie   ·  October 23, 2004 12:54 PM

Pieing is passive aggressive behavior invented by the left. The purposes to behave in an offensive and ridiculing manner, yet to do so with a seemingly "funny" weapon, thereby giving plausible deniability to any intent to injure. "What, you can't take a joke?"

Like the vicious parent who constantly makes their child a laughingstock, making cruel jokes about their weight or their stuttering, the leftist pie thrower (and the left did start it back in the late sixties) wants to hurt someone while avoiding any punishment, claiming "humor" in what she does.

They are much like Jon Stewart, who constantly ridicules politicians and regular folks and then with a smirk declares that he is just "a comedian" and therefore it's all a joke. Little guys have a variety of ways of aggressively and defensively acting out while desperately trying to avoid any real physical confrontation.

The smart ass, insecure, deeply angry (and repressed) kid from high school could ridicule those more popular than he with sly double entendres, and when they caught all on, pretend it was all a misunderstanding.


There's really nothing funny about passive aggressive behavior.

Big Bill   ·  October 23, 2004 02:52 PM

The intent of the pieing is to intimidate the target, to make it clear to them that they're not safe -- next time it could be a knife, or a grenade.

Robert Crawford   ·  October 23, 2004 09:27 PM

Intimidation?

Ridiculous.

The intent is humiliation. It is intended to reduce the target to an object of ridicule. Does it work? I don't know. I would sense that the victim (I know this word is loathed around here ... Eric?) feels less humiliated that 1) surprised, 2) angry and 3) wondering about the dry-cleaning bill.

Someone like Ann Coulter knows that her reputation is not based on perceptions of her as a serious person, but on the audience's willingness to accept her as a provocateur or allow themselves to be manipulated into a response of emotional reaction.

Humiliation, doubtless, is not something that would easily come to her.

Now, if these two guys had thrown a Lesbian or a pair of flip-flops at her, that might have counted as intimidation. As it stands, it was a pie. It was wrong. I think most sensible people know it.

But Ann's life is not in danger. No.

bink   ·  October 23, 2004 10:15 PM

Professor Bainbridge also observes that "busting up other people's speeches was a classic Hitlerian tactic."

Actually it's a pretty common tactic of the communists, ant-globalists, so-called animal rights activasts (remember the paint on fur?), and so on.

So what do all the above share with Hitler and his SA & SS thugs? It couldn't be that they were/are all socialists could it?

Toleration of opposing viewpoints does not come easy to many on the left.

Sparkey   ·  October 24, 2004 12:22 AM


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