Dangerous extremism? Or a sign of the times?

From an LA Times article about an organization called "Mothers Against Illegal Aliens," I read one of the wildest proposals I've seen in a long time:

"I'm not a radical. All I want is for them to enforce the law."
Sigh.

Dangerous extremism is nothing new.

I'm sure cooler heads will prevail. But shouldn't the fact that people are even making radical suggestions like that give us all cause for concern?

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The state unilaterally changing the makeup of nation by ignoring it's own constitution and extending citizenship and voting rights to hostile indigent foreign invaders is dangerous extremism?

Allowing the state to choose it's voters rather than vice vera is dangerous extremism?

I guess your of classical school of laws don't mean anything.

Smitty   ·  May 23, 2006 04:24 AM

the web link below has an old piece on immigration, (but still relevant today) and why smart set Republicans vaunted hopes of "capturing" the Hispanic vote will turn to ashes. The voting pattern is already mostly Dem now, but assorted smart set "leaders" claim to know better than the ordinary masses who apparently lack both their visionary "compassion" and "nuance." The excerpt below shows why it will blow up in their faces:

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1] Family Connections Influence Mexican Immigrants To Vote For The Democrats
U.S. immigration is based on "family reunification", which in other walks of life would be known as "nepotism". The majority of legal immigrants are admitted simply on the basis of their already having a relative in the U.S. And since the majority of Mexican-Americans vote for the Democrats — what political party do you think their immigrant relatives will vote for? Bear in mind that the majority of voters, of whatever background, do not choose their political party as a result of careful study and reflection — most people vote for the same party that their family does! So family connections influence new immigrants to vote for the Democrats.

2] The Republican Party Already Has A Bad Reputation In Some Circles In Mexico
Some Mexicans are already prejudiced against the Republican Party. Here are some opinions of the Republican Party which I have heard here in Mexico:

"The party of the rich."
"Republicans are bad to Mexicans."
"The Republicans don't like us."
"The Mexicans want Al Gore." (Spoken in November of 2000). ....

....I don't mean to suggest that every Mexican has a bad opinion of the Republican Party, but there is definitely a sector of the population that is already prejudiced against the GOP. Bill Clinton became popular among many Mexicans, and was widely acclaimed for bailing out Mexico after the peso crash, while the Republicans were blamed for being against it. By the way, the Monica Lewinsky scandal didn't seem to hurt Clinton's popularity in Mexico, though later John Ashcroft was vilified as "conservative" - a pejorative term in the Mexican media.

3] Mexican Immigrants Don't Care About Tax Cuts
The Republican Party has been obsessed with tax cuts since the heady days of Ronald Reagan. Now tax cuts are fine and dandy (and would be even finer if accompanied by spending cuts!), but you can't build an entire party platform on them (as Bob Dole unsuccessfully tried to do in '96). And you surely can't use them to entice many lower-income people into voting for the Republican Party — for the simple reason that they don't pay much in taxes. (The half of the population with the lowest income pays a whopping 4% of the tax revenue.) And since Mexican immigrants are among the half of the population that makes less money, they don't care about tax cuts either! (Capital gains tax cuts? — give me a break!).

4] Most Immigrants Aren't Attracted To Limited Government Philosophies
The way you hear some libertarians defend open borders, you'd think that hordes of immigrants are clutching copies of von Mises in their hands as they cross the border! What they don't seem to understand is that most immigrants, from most countries of the world, do not care a fig for philosophies of limited government. That's because the philosophy of limited government is not very strong in most of the world. (Its natural home would seem to be the Anglo-Saxon culture — but it's even under heavy attack there.)

Limited government philosophy is not even very strong in the continental European democracies being sucked into the EU superstate now under construction. Here in Mexico, the political and academic world is infused with paternalism, big-statism, even Marxism (there's a street in my city named after Che Guevara). No political party in Mexico advocates limited government. (Vicente Fox actually promised a government that would both produce wealth and distribute it!)

Of course, the concept of "good government" and "bad government" exists. There is even a contrast between "centralism" and "federalism." But the Mexican concept of federalism is to demand that the federal government distribute more money to the states than the centralists do. Few Mexicans see the concept of limited government as a desirable one. And that is even more true among the lower-income classes from which immigrants come. So don't expect Mexican immigrants to rush to the Republican Party because it leans (a little) more toward limited government than the Democrats.

5] Despite What You've Heard, Mexican Immigrants Are Not Attracted By Social Conservative Politics
We've heard this one again and again — Mexicans (and Hispanics in general) are naturally conservative, strong Catholics, are family-oriented, etc., so they will eventually be Republicans.

Most Americans are pretty ignorant about contemporary Mexico; their perspectives on the country are about 50 years out of date. And this allows them to fall for such misleading stereotypes.

In the first place, the Catholic Church is much weaker in Mexico than people think. The majority of Mexicans don't attend Mass and the church has failed to inculcate its moral values among much of the younger generations. The Catholic Church can't even recruit enough priests from the Mexican population and so has to import priests from other countries. In short, the Catholic Church in Mexico (and Latin America in general) is in decline.

Many people ignore the fact that Mexico is an integral part of the Western World. As such, it has been affected by the same philosophical and social trends as the rest of the West. Name any social problem in the U.S., and you can also find it on the increase here in Mexico. Family breakdown? It's going on here (and is exacerbated by immigration, by the way). Drug abuse— it's here too. Pre-marital sex is on the increase, and extra-marital sex has been accepted for years, as long as it was practiced by a married man and an unmarried mistress. Homosexuality is becoming more accepted, and a gay rights movement is gaining strength. About 20% of Mexican mothers are single mothers.

...And abortion? There are more legal restrictions on abortion in Mexico than in the U.S., but in Mexico laws against abortion are not enforced! According to one calculation, there are more abortions performed in Mexico, per capita, than in the U.S.! And in the U.S.A. Hispanic women have more abortions than non-Hispanic women!

Let me hasten to add that there are many good, moral Mexican people, with good family values — just as there are in the U.S.A. But the same social problems exist —to a greater or lesser degree — in both the U.S. and Mexico. And upon arrival to the U.S., Mexican immigrants show no interest in the social conservative wing of the Republican party and aren't inclined to vote for it. The acid test — they don't vote for the Republican Party! Why do some people expect them to in the near future?

6] Mexican Immigrants Are Being Recruited Into The Welfare State
There are those who say that the welfare state can be eliminated without reducing immigration. My question to such well-meaning people is — HOW? The present immigration system is inextricably linked to the welfare state. In fact, immigration is a massive recruitment program for the welfare state. You might even say today's immigrants are specially chosen to be welfare recipients. And receive welfare they do— at a higher rate than native-born Americans. That includes Mexican immigrants and Hispanic immigrants in general. Now which of the two major political parties is apt to push for more welfare benefits? The Democratic Party! So why do Republicans expect them to vote for the GOP? It simply boggles the imagination.

7] Pandering Only Makes Things Worse
Pete Wilson, possibly the most courageous Republican politician of the 1990's, has been held up as a bad example and treated as a pariah. Don't be like Pete Wilson, Republicans are told. Wilson is accused of "losing" the Hispanic vote (but how can you lose what you didn't have?). In 1994, while running for re-election for governor of California, Wilson gave full support to Proposition 187 (which meant to cut off benefits to illegal aliens). Wilson won the election — and so did Proposition 187 (which was later struck down at the behest of the president of Mexico— but that's another story).

Four years later, politically-correct Republican candidate Dan Lungren, pandering to Latinos, repudiated Prop. 187 and refused to criticize (or even question) the mass immigration policy which was (and is) causing so many problems for the state. Not only did Lungren fail to speak up, he also lost the election — and even received a lower proportion of the Hispanic vote than Wilson had in 1994! It seems Hispanics themselves have little respect for panderers like Lungren and George W. Bush, who received a lower percentage of the Hispanic vote than non-panderer Ronald Reagan did.

The Republican Party faces demographic disaster if it doesn't change course soon. The Y2K election should have removed all doubt. Dubya tried so hard to please everybody. The result? Bush lost the Hispanic vote, lost the black vote, lost the Asian vote, barely won the white vote, lost the popular vote, and barely won the Supreme Court vote. By 2008, if present trends continue, it will be mathematically impossible for the Republican presidential candidate to win the presidential election...
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Enrique Cardova   ·  May 23, 2006 09:33 AM

Thanks for the link and info, EC.

Hope that first comment was meant to be sarcastic, as the post was.

Eric Scheie   ·  May 23, 2006 10:53 AM


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