Cartoons your newspaper won't let you see

With all the fuss over the Danish cartoons, it occurred to me that readers of this blog might want to see them. And thanks to Right on the Left Coast, you can! Here's a web site which has all of them.

By American standards, they're quite mild.

Here's an example:

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Hmmm....

I'm already feeling guilty.

I'm thinking that maybe the title of this post is a bit harsh.

Tell you what; I'll be sure to apologize as soon as that cartoon appears in the Philadelphia Inquirer!

UPDATE (1/31/06): While they don't appear in hard copy, today's Inquirer is directing readers interested in seeing the cartoons to this link.

Frankly, I'm stunned. Tongue-tied! Speechless!

But since the Inky has linked to the cartoons, I'm linking b-b-b-back in the most apologetic manner p-p-p-possible . . .

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MORE: In an unrelated matter, AOL is being accused of "blasphemy" for using the expression "I AM."

Are you concerned?

Am I serious?

(Am I allowed to say "I AM"?)

MORE: Here's the image of the, er, blasphemy in question:

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Isn't it obvious that the above was meant to offend God?

AND MORE: The Commissar is reprinting the cartoons, and urging all bloggers to do the same.

MORE: The debate is heating up, and Denmark has picked up a few allies:

Newspapers across Europe have reprinted caricatures of the Prophet Muhammad to show support for a Danish paper whose cartoons have sparked Muslim outrage.

Seven publications in France, Germany, the Netherlands, Italy and Spain all carried some of the drawings.

Their publication in Denmark led Arab nations to protest. Islamic tradition bans depictions of the Prophet.

The owner of one of the papers to reprint - France Soir - has now sacked its managing editor over the matter.

The cartoons have sparked diplomatic sanctions and death threats in some Arab nations, while media watchdogs have defended publication of the images in the name of press freedom.

Reporters Without Borders said the reaction in the Arab world "betrays a lack of understanding" of press freedom as "an essential accomplishment of democracy."

Not everyone likes freedom or democracy. But not liking something doesn't make it go away.

More here on growing European support for free speech. (Via InstaPundit.)

UPDATE: Postrel to Islam: grow up. (HT Justin.)

UPDATE (02/04/06): Notwithstanding claims about the MSM to the contrary, today's Philadelphia Inquirer ran the following as hard copy:

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INTERNATIONAL UPDATE: My apologies for any margin problems in the text which follows. I did the best I could with the html from the Support Denmark website.

العربية
بتاريخ 30 أيلول 2005 قامت صحيفة يولاندس بوستون الدنمركية بنشر 12 رسم كرتوني يصور النبي محمد. قام المسلمون بعاصفة من الاحتجاجات و اضر رسامان للاختباء بعد تلقيهما تهديدات بالقتل.

المنظمات الإسلامية طابت باعتذار رسمي من الحكومة الدنمركية و تحول الموضوع إلى أزمة دبلوماسية دولية

قامت منظمة المؤتمر الإسلامي ، المجلس الأوروبي، و منظمة الأمم المتحدة بانتقاد حكومة الدانمارك لعدم اتخاذها أية إجراءات ضد صحيفة يولاندس بوستون

رئيس الوزراء الدنمركي اندرياس فوج راسموسن دافع عن حرية الصحافة والتعبير وقال إن أية إجراءات مناسبة لا يمكن أن تتخذ من قبل الحكومة بل من قبل المحكمة

في هذه الأثناء يتم إحراق أعلام الدانمارك في بعض الدول الإسلامية ويتم إزالة المنتجات الدنمركية من على رفوف المتاجر . بضعة دول قامت بسحب سفرائها من الدانمارك و قام بعض الرجال المسلحين بمهاجمه مكتب الاتحاد الأوروبي في قطاع غزة.

الدانمارك تحتاج لدعمكم و مساندتكم، أظهر دعمك و اهتمامك وضع أحد هذه الوصلات على موقعك.

بتاريخ 30 أيلول 2005 قامت صحيفة يولاندس بوستون الدنمركية بنشر 12 رسم كرتوني يصور النبي محمد. قام المسلمون بعاصفة من الاحتجاجات و اضر رسامان للاختباء بعد تلقيهما تهديدات بالقتل.

المنظمات الإسلامية طابت باعتذار رسمي من الحكومة الدنمركية و تحول الموضوع إلى أزمة دبلوماسية دولية

قامت منظمة المؤتمر الإسلامي ، المجلس الأوروبي، و منظمة الأمم المتحدة بانتقاد حكومة الدانمارك لعدم اتخاذها أية إجراءات ضد صحيفة يولاندس بوستون

رئيس الوزراء الدنمركي اندرياس فوج راسموسن دافع عن حرية الصحافة والتعبير وقال إن أية إجراءات مناسبة لا يمكن أن تتخذ من قبل الحكومة بل من قبل المحكمة

في هذه الأثناء يتم إحراق أعلام الدانمارك في بعض الدول الإسلامية ويتم إزالة المنتجات الدنمركية من على رفوف المتاجر . بضعة دول قامت بسحب سفرائها من الدانمارك و قام بعض الرجال المسلحين بمهاجمه مكتب الاتحاد الأوروبي في قطاع غزة.

الدانمارك تحتاج لدعمكم و مساندتكم، أظهر دعمك و اهتمامك وضع أحد هذه الوصلات على موقعك.


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MORE INTERNATIONAL NEWS: An Egyptian Newspaper published the cartoons in October with not a word of protest. (Via Pajamas Media and Solomonia.)

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It's tough not to conclude that the current event is largely manufactured outrage.

UPDATE: On Saturday, February 11, the Philadelphia Inquirer was picketed for reprinting the above cartoon, in a nonviolent protest by hundreds of local Muslims:

Hundreds of Muslims chanted and carried banners and signs outside the Inquirer-Daily News Building yesterday, protesting The Inquirer's decision to reprint a caricature of the prophet Muhammad.

Many said they thought that the paper had defamed their religion by publishing an image that has angered Muslims across the world and resulted in mass protests and the burning of Western embassies. Many Muslims consider any depiction of Muhammad to be sacrilegious.

"We feel very strongly The Inquirer could have covered the news without printing this inflammatory cartoon," said Zia Haq, 43, of Collegeville.

The cartoon, one of several originally published in the Danish newspaper Jyllands-Posten in September, depicts Islam's chief prophet with a lit bomb stuck in his turban. It ran in The Inquirer on Feb. 4 with a story about the dilemma faced by the media over reprinting the cartoon. The image was accompanied by a note, which said, in part, "The Inquirer intends no disrespect to the religious beliefs of any of its readers."

Most U.S. newspapers have opted not to publish the images.

Inquirer editor Amanda Bennett, publisher Joe Natoli, and deputy managing editor Carl Lavin meandered through the crowd yesterday, introducing themselves and thanking people for coming. "I think this is really an opportunity to build some bridges," Bennett said.

Bennett has said that the cartoon was reprinted to provide readers with "a perspective of what the controversy's about."

That's the way to fight speech you don't like.

With more speech, not less.

It's a lesson in why speech needs to be kept free.

UPDATE: The Philadelphia Inquirer is running a poll asking the following question:

Do you think it was appropriate to publish one of the cartoons from the Danish newspaper?

posted by Eric on 01.30.06 at 11:01 AM










Comments

I keel you!

beautifulatrocities   ·  January 30, 2006 11:18 AM

I die hard!

Eric Scheie   ·  January 30, 2006 11:57 AM

I thought Muhammad would be having sex with a camel or something... geeze... all the fuss is over THAT???

Harkonnendog   ·  January 30, 2006 8:22 PM

Not even a joke about marrying a 9 year old girl... weak.

Beck   ·  January 31, 2006 8:45 AM

BTW The sex with a 9 year old comment has come up on my blog though in some of the threads that have spun off the from the cartoon images.

The response was illuminating in that it decayed swiftly into crude name-calling and a bizarre justification that it is OK to marry and then have sex with any girl who is menstruating.

Francis   ·  January 31, 2006 9:58 AM

You are all fucking son of pitches. You are blody people of the west. May ALLAH destroy you.
Ameen

Hosam   ·  January 31, 2006 2:31 PM

"I do my thing and you do yours. I am not in this world to live up to your expectations, and you are not in this world to live up to mine. You are you and I am I, and if by chance we find each other, then it is beautiful."

Anonymous   ·  January 31, 2006 2:47 PM

If muslims don't like the west then why are they on the internet calling me a "son of a pitch" and a "blody person"? Why don't they all just do the world a favour and die?

Ben   ·  January 31, 2006 6:18 PM

you should feel shame for your ignorance.and you Mr Ben as it is abvois you are a Jew.So instead of living in the dark I advice you to go read about Mohamed and Islam maybe then you will know how wrong you are.

khalid   ·  February 1, 2006 9:54 AM

i have asome thing that could be an anser for your sek
i think one of the bad muslems had fucked you hen you ere child and then fucked your mother in here mouthand hene you got married he faucd you and your wife on the same bed this is your problem o you have to bite adog on his ass and hi shit and thin drink his urine thin go shit in your fathers mouth ait for 2 hour and eat his shit you may recover we ak your god to help you when e kill you respectable man

tareq neman   ·  February 1, 2006 10:58 AM

You infidel blasphemers. May your stomachs roast in hades and a thousand snad fleas live in your family jewels. Next you will be blaspheming L. Ron Hubbard and Jim Jones.

Ahkmed Dave   ·  February 1, 2006 12:12 PM

If Islam is such a kind, compassionate and decent religion, why are Europe and America over run with muslims seeking protection from persecution at the hands of Islamic regimes?

Anonymous   ·  February 1, 2006 12:34 PM

I AM???? Doesn't it sometimes seem as if the whole world has gone crazy?

Rachel   ·  February 1, 2006 2:28 PM

I generally think this whole Cartoon situation has gotten 100 % out of hand! I hate the tone in this debate, and the fact that only a minority of people wants to debate the Mohammed cartoons in a decent way.

The short version of the story is: that a Danish, privately owned, newspaper (Jyllandsposten) on September 20th, 2005, published a series of ten cartoons where one of the drawings was satirizing Mohammed as a terrorist.

The drawings were meant as satire! The same way we in Denmark use satire in regards to Jesus, God himself (or herself), and the Prime Minister etc. No one that is mentioned in the public debate can expect to go free. Not even the prophet Mohammed.

When I see the Danish flag and pictures of the Danish prime minister burned in Muslim protests against Denmark, I get angry and very offended. Properly the same way Muslims were offended by the Mohammed-cartoons. However, I do not threaten to kill Muslims, I dont boycott Muslim merchandise, or threaten to attack Muslim targets. I am a Dane, and I can debate in a decent tone!

The cartoons were NOT anti-Islam! Denmark is NOT anti-Islam! In Denmark we respect the Muslims right to believe in the prophet Mohammed. However the Muslims must respect that most of us do not.

The reactions to the cartoons have been very harsh. Jyllandsposten have reviewed bomb-threats and some Muslim have threatened with suicide attacks in the Danish Capital. And THAT is offensive reactions that we are not used to. It seams as if some Muslims only wants to participate in a conflict, rather than a solution.

First they wanted an apology from Jyllandsposten they got it! Then the Prime Minister had to give an apology he gave it! NOW, some Muslims want an apology from the Danish Queen! Nothing seems to satisfy anybody, except from blood and conflict.

I hope that people that participate in this extremely sensitive, culture and religion debate, would adapt a polite tone and remember that this world belongs to ALL OF US and we have to be able to debate even the most sacred and sensitive issues in order to understand and accept each others differences.

A Dane   ·  February 1, 2006 2:43 PM

Some of these comments are so over the top that they could almost be used as satire. This is a satirical website, and satire is frequently misunderstood by people who take it literally. The cartoon I posted above is obviously satire, and intended to poke a little fun at people who take themselves so seriously that to further their beliefs they are willing to murder innocent civilians. I think we owe it to the latter to engage in ridicule or satire in the hope of discrediting murderous beliefs. Why would anyone who believes in peace mind that?

Eric Scheie   ·  February 1, 2006 3:51 PM

Basically I believe that the Muslim world should stop its attach on Denmark and get on with there lives with or without Danish products. If you continue it will defiantly not be a more peace full world. May bee some argumentation that it would have been better not to make the drawing is understandable but really they can not be unmade.

So kill us all or get on with your lifes if you attack us I think we would have a good chance of wining. I mean 1, 5 billion against 4, 5 we would not miss with on single bullet and just for the recorded it was a joke.

debat   ·  February 1, 2006 4:37 PM

Poking fun at billions of human's religious belief is not a freedom of speech.
Mohamed era was 1400 years ago, and making fun of a long gone, dead man can never be anyones right of freedom of speech.
Why to begin something that we can not finish , but with voilence?
World belongs to all of us who wish to live in peace and harmony , and insults to your neighbour can not be a good way to win their heart

Sam Walker   ·  February 1, 2006 9:42 PM

"Poking fun at billions of human's religious belief is not a freedom of speech."

That is simply incorrect.

Under our Constitution, Americans have the First Amendment right to poke fun at Jesus, Mohammad, Krishna, Yahweh, Allah, Buddha, Zeus, Gaia, Huitzilopochtli, or any other deity, entity, or human, no matter how long he is deceased, whether he lives, or how many people hold a favorable or unfavorable opinion of him or her.

Whether it is a good idea or whether someone might consider it insulting is utterly irrelevant.

But as to the merits here, the clear intent of the above cartoon is to criticize an idea -- that idea being that suicide bombing earns the bomber a place in heaven with 72 virgins.

I rather enjoy the fact that in the cartoon, Mohammad is shown as a voice of surprise, restraint, and maybe even remorse. If that gives pause to people who might think they'd go to heaven by killing innocent people, well, that's the whole idea. If it doesn't, well, how best might suicide bombers be debated?

Like it or not, debate it is. A religious debate -- fully protected under the U.S. Constitution.

Eric Scheie   ·  February 1, 2006 10:47 PM

Those cartoons are hilarious!

Except for the one where Muhammad has his turkey on a leash. I don't get that one.

Can somebody explain that one to me?

blukat   ·  February 2, 2006 5:56 AM

About Mohammed and him bonking his 9 year old wife..
I heard he made her cry a second time, when he wiped the blood from his dick on her teddy bear

Disturbed   ·  February 2, 2006 10:01 AM

The sexual references in some of the above comments are not only off topic, they tend to get my blog blocked by content filters. This is of course my blog, and my free speech rights include the right to delete these comments. Because they are coming in from new commenters in other countries in the context of an international debate, I'm allowing them for now, but I think gratuitous and pointless insults of a sexual nature speak for themselves. Normally, my policy has been to delete them (as I have in past posts) so please be warned.

Eric Scheie   ·  February 2, 2006 10:17 AM

Re: France-Soir, the paper that fired its editor over the cartoon:

"Formerly titled Dfense de la France (Defense of France), it was founded as an underground paper during the German occupation of France in World War II .... A majority interest in the newspaper was purchased by Egyptian entrepreneur Ramy Lakah in November 2004."

Dennis   ·  February 2, 2006 10:31 AM

If the workers at Le Soir have any balls, they will all hand in their resignations. One would hope that every newspaper would havethe sense to print these cartoons in solidarity with the Danish newspaper. The Muslim worlds outrage only indicates that this is a religion infected with intolerance and paranoia. (This goes for most of the other major world religions). My advice: dont take yourself so seriously - its only a joke.

wise guy   ·  February 2, 2006 1:41 PM

hey
we need some support. can your president not give us some?
the other Eu members are to scared. we will end up muslim hear.

a dane   ·  February 2, 2006 3:53 PM

We should realize that our freedom ends when somebody else's starts. Also, do not judge others and their cultures from your point of view.
Show kindness, sensitivity and thoughfulness.
Making fun of somebody's else's religion and their prophet is hardly a laughing matter.
For example, depicting the Pope as a Nazi because he is German would not be a joke. Same thing should apply to showing Mohammed as a terrorist because of radical Muslims.

Unver   ·  February 2, 2006 10:09 PM

I agree with tareq neman: islam is the religion of peace and harmony. Wait.. maybe I better read that again.

Unver: the mohamedians are just going to have to get used to it, like the rest of us have over the past 300 years or so.

Mick   ·  February 3, 2006 12:14 AM

Jesus gave his life to save these sand wretches. Ignorant beasts that they are, they invented a make believe god and prophet, mohammutt. Now these idiots want to tell the western world what we can say or not say?

Here is what I say about mohamutt - he is a fornicating phony pedophile, humping poor camel boys. Another crusade is in order, this time all arab countries that don't adopt christianity shall be exterminated.

Mohamutt is a fraud, arabs are fools, lets show them Jesus and save them or kill them.

Christian Crusader   ·  February 3, 2006 12:54 AM

Muslim, Christian, Who cares? We've suffered terribly under repressive, intolerant, ignorant, vicious doctrine for thousands of years because of blind stupid ignorant faith, perpetrated by mindless idiots who'd rather turn their greatest gift - humanity - over to crippling dogma. It's prevented us from evolving and reaching our true potential as humans and it's kept the fires of hatred burning for millennia. Your gods and prophets are RELICS, people - they only serve to divide you and keep you at each other's throats. We've suffered under the shadow of religion for long enough. It's time we had something better. We ALL deserve it, you know? We all deserve to live in a peaceful world with the best of all cultures at our disposal. If we're all waiting for some great apocalypse or revelation, then where is it? Which one of these deities is going to descend from the sky first and prove all the others wrong? Will the others hastily follow once they see one of their rivals has taken the initiative? Are we gonna have a televised knockout tournament with the grand prize being dominion over the human world? Bring it on! I'm SICK of all this stupidity, intolerance and the immense arrogance in thinking that because you're born and programmed into a system of worship, yours is infallible and all others are blasphemous. WAKE UP and take charge of your own imortality for pity's sake. We're tearing ourselves and our planet apart because of belief systems that amplify our worst human traits and exploit our greatest weaknesses - guilt, pride, arrogance. Every one of you is your own deity, ladies and gentlemen - claim your right to a life of wonder and riches free from theological chains, and do it soon - while we still have some planet left to enjoy.

NoReligion   ·  February 3, 2006 5:30 AM

Please do delete stupid comments like the one from Christian Crusader. Now that is offensive and not deserving of publication.

this debate reminds me of a recent cartoon when Pope John Paul died. It depicts him arriving at the gates of heaven and St Peter is there to welcome him... in the background are thousands of people of all backgrounds. The pope, pointing at the multitudes, asks St Peter "They came to welcome me?" "No" says St Peter, "they are catholics who died of AIDS, when you banned the use of condoms"

carl   ·  February 3, 2006 8:10 AM

Carl, I think Christian Crusader's comment is utterly despicable (so are the comments from "tareq neman" and "Disturbed'). I would normally have deleted all three of them as soon as I saw them. But the reason I'm leaving them in -- for now -- is because I think they might belong in a museum of hate and rudeness somewhere.

Even if I delete them, I'll keep a record somewhere.

Eric Scheie   ·  February 3, 2006 8:48 AM

the ignorant don't get the humor

Anonymous   ·  February 3, 2006 11:50 AM

Christian Crusader: You are evidently unaware that the 'make believe god' of the Muslims is the same one worshiped by Jews and Christians. Don't let the name fool you. Muslims call Jews, Christians and themselves 'the people of the book' because the book you know as the old testament is central to all three religions.

From the outside, you, Ben, Tareq Neman and a few other posters come across like Swift's Big- and Little-endians or the character in the joke voted the best religious joke of all time (http://www.guardian.co.uk/religion/Story/0,2763,1578374,00.html) by visitors to Christian website shipoffools.com. You're members of different sects of the same religion, fighting like petulant siblings. Get a life, for [insert name of preferred deity or prophet thereof]'s sake.

Jon O'Brien   ·  February 3, 2006 12:07 PM

let's all calm down and share a bacon sandwich

Francois   ·  February 3, 2006 12:38 PM

I am a muslim and i am ofended by the cartoon. consider myself a moderate in many respects but i think this is beyond the pale. This speaks to a much larger attitude Europeans have towards foreigners. Europeans are racist period. This cartoon could easily have depected a jew or a hindu. The fact is given a chance, Europe would not hesitate to engage in mass killings of muslims just like they did the jews. After all, the Holocost started with seemingly harmless cartoons of the jews under the guise of freedom of speach then it gradually moved in to violence. The overwelming feeling in Europe is currently is how to get rid of the muslims living within their boarders. This was the artitude before WW2 towards the jews. That was why it was so easy for hitlar to succeede in killing so many of them. To tell you the truth, even though muslims have a long conflict with the jews, they are both victims of Europes racism. This current conflict in Palestine was farmented in Europe.

The question now is whether Europe would face up to its racism and start looking at human beings as humanbeings and not perpetuating a false sense of superiority Much is said about the marrages of Muhhamad. Much of what is written is childish and do not need dignifying. To christians i would say if you want to talk about marrage, ask your self who the prophets of christianity were marrying. Go to the old testerment and find out how many wifes Moses Abraham .....had and how old they were. Even by todays stanards, i lived in Utha and i know many polygamous families there and indeer i know of people marrying girls as old as 12. Look to Europe for a second, i know that barely a hundred years ago, or even less than that, people married girls that are 12 yrs old. Even today, Europe's freedoms have allowed the rape of young children, sex slavery child porn. Virtually all european girls above the age of 14 have had sex atleast once. Europe and America are also home to chatolic prists who molest the young children. Everyone knows that the extent of child abuse in the chatolic church is massive. they have just scratched the surface. How would you like it if there was a cartoon of the pope molesting a young boy? Would your reaction have been different or would you still be clowning arround saying it is just a cartoon. Europe has an inflated sense of themsleves that is truely infantile.

People say this is just a cartoon but would the reaction have been different if it was directed against the jews or would you have dusted your jew drag nets again and ready yourselves for another blood bath?

khalid.   ·  February 3, 2006 1:43 PM

By the way,last year a friend of mine sent me a cartoon of jesus in which he said jesus was a FAG and that is how com he was not married or dating. I wrote to him and protested that he should never send me such garbage that i respect christians even when i disagree with them on many issues.

khalid   ·  February 3, 2006 2:02 PM

as a muslim myself. my faith is constantly being threatened by muslims who feel that they are hollier than the prophet(SAW). I wonder when they will understand that we are no longer living the dark ages and one has to change with the times. i guess that is the problem with majority of the imams who hold clouts in majority of the islamic countries out there. The religion above all else is a religion of peace and tolerance. these days people are just practising their own special brand of islam.it's getting harder to differentiate between terrorism and islam. definitily not the one practiced by the Prophet. Islam is the most tolerant religion of all, check the History books, shame on any muslim who protests over such triviality like a cartoon. the whole protest itself is a mockery of the religion. A real life cartoon.

LSB   ·  February 3, 2006 5:00 PM

khalid, is it true that all Muslim men are gay? In my somewhat extensive experience, that's the case. Why is this? I think it must have to do with the fact that women are all locked in the cupboard. I was just talking about this with this Egyptian guy I was fucking at the Steamworks. He said he didn't know.

beautifulatrocities   ·  February 3, 2006 6:18 PM

And another thing, what's with the human stapede at the hajj every year? Can't they run camels or something? I don't get it

beautifulatrocities   ·  February 3, 2006 6:20 PM

The world has to learn that they cannot live on beliefs anymore. Beliefs is a time bomb waiting to explode within the Human race. Man stole knowledge from the GODs, and Man's knowledge will reign over beliefs.

RT   ·  February 3, 2006 9:05 PM

FUCK YOU ALL YOU MOTHERFUCKING REPUBLICANS.
BUSH IS a fuckin piece of shit

the dude who fucks your sister   ·  February 3, 2006 9:15 PM

There is a major flaw or loophole in the religions of the world. No matter how you look at it and try to explain it, the religions of the world allows one to sin or commit crime openly and be forgiven or rewarded. The world cannot live on beliefs anymore. Its been 2000 years. How long more do you want to wait for your GOD. If there is a GOD, there must be a devil. If there is no GOD, there is no devil. There is only Man's intellectual, knowledge, morals and rule of law.

RT   ·  February 3, 2006 9:22 PM

"Islam is the most tolerant religion of all, check the History books"

Sorry LSB, last I checked islam was spread overwhelmingly by the tip of a sword; Throughout the Middle East, in India, Eastern Europe, up into the Iberian peninsula. I appreciate your attempt at moderation but the simple fact is that islam has been at war with the rest of the world since day 1.

Stating that islam is 'the most tolerant religion of all' so completely flies in the face of history and reality, its like saying fish are the best animals at mountain climbing. At which madrasah did you learn history?

Mick   ·  February 3, 2006 11:41 PM

"How would you like it if there was a cartoon of the pope molesting a young boy?"

Ever see the "Piss Christ"? Slightly more insulting than these tame cartoons I think. We see things like this daily. Welcome to the West. Check your thin skin at the door pal. My right to say things trumps your (imaginary) right not to be offended.

Sucessful societies cannot function if their response to insult is violence. So you're insulted? Fine. Call the papers, tell them your unhappy. Dont buy them. This is the proper civilized response. Not threatening people and burning flags like spoiled children.

Mick   ·  February 3, 2006 11:50 PM

Jewish owned newspapers want to stir hate between the muslim and the western world!
Bringing war over the world,so the big jewish owned banks can give loans to the bombed countries for rebuilding-and cash in on the intrest!!!

charlie   ·  February 4, 2006 2:00 AM

muslims are idiot. draw picture of their idiot prophet and they run around like a camel fucked with a cucumber. other religions can't be hurt by you comments or drawings or screaming of idiots. islam on the other hand is so fragile. a cartoon makes every muslim p|ss their pants!

allah   ·  February 4, 2006 3:02 AM

Prophet Mohammad married a small girl so that she could benefit from the budget reserved for the family of our prophet, also another old lady that was 80 years. If you want to make fun of something,talk about how christianity is full of lies you umcircumcized filth bags...

Ce   ·  February 4, 2006 4:47 AM

I wonder how long the Simple Christians in Europe are going to remain in Hostage for the few Jews.

Sham on you

Anonymous   ·  February 4, 2006 6:06 AM

While I belive in freedom of speech,and the newspapers have the right to print whatever they want printing the cartoons is was a plain stupid idea. I never see photos of dead soldiers in Iraq and this is done so as not to cause further grief to their families, but the truth is the newspapers have the right to publish any pictures, why can't they think along the same lines when it comes Islam, everybody knows their anger and the consequenses of offending them when it's regarding their religeon. Now so far 200 Danish jobs have been lost because they are losing the market due to boycotting of their products, can anyone justify this price for the sake of publishing stupid cartoons in the name of freedon of speech.

michael, united kingdom   ·  February 4, 2006 7:26 AM

tareqneman   ·  February 4, 2006 10:06 AM

do you really know hell we know it every one ho make mistakes will taste it its abig hall of different kinds of fier I think you un moslimes ill get it if you still fool and ediant
follo me i ill lead you to the right think ddr@shuf.com

tareqneman   ·  February 4, 2006 10:11 AM

THE WAR YOU WANT THE MORE YOU GOT

tareq neman   ·  February 4, 2006 10:13 AM

some of you of course are good at being idiots so they deserve no reply. Europe is got a problem. They have become the most racist place on the face of the earth. Also, you think that you can build a society where nothing of substance no longer matter. Morality, truth faith .... do not matter to you but they matter to the rest of the world. Your society is rotting from within. You think you can do anything in the name of freedom of speach. How come you are not answering my question. Didn't the mass murder of jews in europe start from a simple cartoon? Would you like to kill or expel some more jews? Are you planning the same for muslims? Are you ever going to overcome your racist mentality?

khalid   ·  February 4, 2006 12:54 PM

May ALLAH destroy all Islamic terrorists, and of course Mohammed, false prophet.

Shizhen   ·  February 4, 2006 3:42 PM

I am a Buddhist. I was, like many Buddhists in China and around the world, was extremely offended when the Islamic Talibans blew up the statues of Buddha. But we did not threaten to kill Muslims. The Muslims are telling all of us to live by their rulesa biggest joke I have ever heard. They are just too childish.

Jiuman   ·  February 4, 2006 3:54 PM

"They have become the most racist place on the face of the earth."

Islam is a race? Go figure. Tell me then, why does Saudi Arabia outright forbid Christianity? Why do muslkims kill Christians in Indonesia and Malaysia. What about the persecution of Coptics in Egypt?

"Also, you think that you can build a society where nothing of substance no longer matter."

How about respect for human life? I see muslims have a lot of that. You know "Behead those who insult islam" and all.

"Didn't the mass murder of jews in europe start from a simple cartoon?"

No it didn't.

"Would you like to kill or expel some more jews?"

This coming from the most rabid Jew-haters on the planet? "Drive them into the sea" and whatnot? Do you really expect anyone to take you seriously?

"Are you ever going to overcome your racist mentality?"

Sure, right after you do.

Mick   ·  February 4, 2006 4:07 PM

3 simple questions:

1)Can anyone please explain to me where it says in the Koran that Prophet Muhammad was a pedophile? Not one credible source of information for it has ever been presented.

2)Can anyone please explain to me where it says in the Koran that jihadists get 72 virgins in Heaven? I have NEVER heard of that one before 9/11, and again, no credible source of info has ever supported this concept despite it being repeated just about everywhere.

3)Does anyone have another link to the cartoons? The one presented here probably is seeing too much traffic. I only saw two of the cartoons ("stop we ran out of virgins!" and the guy's head as bomb).

Me   ·  February 4, 2006 6:13 PM

"Not threatening people and burning flags like spoiled children."

Actually, in a civilized Western society, people with thick skin wouldn't care if they saw a flag being burned. While doing so presents a very strong message, it's not something for you to get all offended over (kind of like the cartoons).

Me   ·  February 4, 2006 6:16 PM


I fully agree with the muslims, the cartoons of Mohamed are a disgrace,and therefore I think all muslims living in Denmark should in protest leave that country and emigrate to anywhere in the middle East-that will show the Danes, and I am sure they will be sorry If you are a good muslim stand up for your principles
leave that place.

Pamb   ·  February 4, 2006 6:31 PM

I'm a Christian living in a muslim country, which taught me to respect others' beliefs no matter how different they were from mine. Honestly i was offended by the cartoons but i truely cannot understand all the fuss, LSB i totally agree with you that what's happening is merely "a mockery of the religion". Muslims wake up, it's as if showing the world that Islam is a fragile riligion that could be threatened by a cartoon. Everyone knows it's not, so stop acting like that, and stop demanding "respect" by force, threatning to kill is just a barbarian way to protest.

A writer in a weekly newspaper in my country was dismissed because he was wondering that if muslims think that the danish cartoons have insulted Islam, where were these protestors when innocent people were killed in terrorists attacks in the name of Islam? he was also wondering which of them gave a negative image about Islam an muslims, the cartoons or the attacks?

People please understand that coming from a different culture means having different reactions to different subjects, and if we Christians do not really object to cartoons mocking Jesus, then it might be a problme, or merely a belief that our faith is not that fragile to be affected by a cartoon. Press should also control their so called "Freedom of Speach" so as not to insult others, for no one has the "right" to insult others.
Salam

Dinah   ·  February 4, 2006 7:17 PM

Im no more offended by thier flag burning than I would be by a child throwing a tantrum in a supermarket, for the very reason you mention. I've seen flags burned thousands of times. So what?

I AM however offended by death threats over a cartoon.

Dinah:

You can justify thier anger all you want. I think they ARE in fact justified in being angry. They are NOT justified in torching embassies and kidnappings and death threats. That is the difference. Adults can properly control their emotional reactions. Children cannot. Cultural identity is not an excuse to act like spoiled, bomb-wielding children.

Your fundamental understanding of the freedom of speech is quite limited. The right is there for the explicit purpose for people to express their opinions without the fear of retribution by either violence or imprisonment. It was set in place to protect people from monarchs and dictators from arising.

When one cannot speak negatively about a group, be it religious or political, then that group wields real power. What happens when someone says "The king is unjust" or "the mullah is a liar"? The king/mullah is offended. Then starts the killing. Mullahs in Iran anyone?

Heres how it works in a civilized country:

1.Press/TV/media insults a group.
2.Insulted people boycott advertisers that supports the press.
3.Press/TV/media loses money.
4.Insults stop.
5.Nobody dies, families aren't ripped apart, peace remains and economies continue to grow uninterrupted.

This is what makes certain societies SUCCESSFUL, while others continue to eat sand for breakfast.

"for no one has the "right" to insult others"

I do. And I will continue to as long as it keeps others from having control over what I say. Get the idea?

Mick   ·  February 4, 2006 8:25 PM

I think the people who make death threats on the streets of Europe should feel lucky. If they dared to do this in China, the communist government will without a second of hesitation throw every single one of them in jail or send them to labor camps, some of which are in the remote desert in Northwest of China. Go to China to protest if you dare, Muslim friends. Mohammed is routinely mocked there, because it is a religious figure and any religion according to Marx is the opium of the mass.

Jiuman   ·  February 4, 2006 10:30 PM

WE ARE MUSLIMES E ARE TRIING TO TAKE YOU AAY FROM HELL BUT YOU WANT IT ITHINK

tareqneman   ·  February 5, 2006 8:17 AM

Take me to another hell? Islamic ideology is as evil as Communism, maybe worse. At least the communists don't do suicide bombing, the ugliest tactic.

Jiuman   ·  February 5, 2006 9:33 AM

http://blog.newspaperindex.com/2005/12/10/un-to-investigate-jyllands-posten-racism/

For those of you that haven't seen the 'toons yet.

Axiom: Religion will be the downfall of the civilized world.

See ya all in hell....(bring your own bacon sandwich)

T-Mobile   ·  February 5, 2006 2:47 PM
T-Mobile   ·  February 5, 2006 3:45 PM

Saturday January 12, 2002
The Guardian


In August, 2001, the American television channel CBS aired an interview with a Hamas activist Muhammad Abu Wardeh, who recruited terrorists for suicide bombings in Israel. Abu Wardeh was quoted as saying: "I described to him how God would compensate the martyr for sacrificing his life for his land. If you become a martyr, God will give you 70 virgins, 70 wives and everlasting happiness." Wardeh was in fact shortchanging his recruits since the rewards in Paradise for martyrs was 72 virgins. But I am running ahead of things .
Since September 11, news stories have repeated the story of suicide bombers and their heavenly rewards, and equally Muslim scholars and Western apologists of Islam have repeated that suicide is forbidden in Islam. Suicide (qatlu nafsi-hi) is not referred to in the Koran but is indeed forbidden in the Traditions (Hadith in Arabic), which are the collected sayings and doings attributed to the Prophet and traced back to him through a series of putatively trustworthy witnesses. They include what was done in his presence that he did not forbid, and even the authoritative sayings and doings of his companions.
But the Hamas spokesman correctly uses the word martyr (shahid) and not suicide bomber, since those who blow themselves up almost daily in Israel and those who died on September 11 were dying in the noblest of all causes, Jihad, which is an incumbent religious duty, established in the Koran and in the Traditions as a divine institution, and enjoined for the purpose of advancing Islam. While suicide is forbidden, martyrdom is everywhere praised, welcomed, and urged: "By the Being in Whose Hand is my life, I love that I should be killed in the way of Allah; then I should be brought back to life and be killed again in His way..."; "The Prophet said, 'Nobody who enters Paradise will ever like to return to this world even if he were offered everything, except the martyr who will desire to return to this world and be killed 10 times for the sake of the great honour that has been bestowed upon him'." [Sahih Muslim, chapters 781, 782, The Merit of Jihad and the Merit of Martyrdom.]

What of the rewards in paradise? The Islamic paradise is described in great sensual detail in the Koran and the Traditions; for instance, Koran sura 56 verses 12 -40 ; sura 55 verses 54-56 ; sura 76 verses 12-22. I shall quote the celebrated Penguin translation by NJ Dawood of sura 56 verses 12- 39: "They shall recline on jewelled couches face to face, and there shall wait on them immortal youths with bowls and ewers and a cup of purest wine (that will neither pain their heads nor take away their reason); with fruits of their own choice and flesh of fowls that they relish. And theirs shall be the dark-eyed houris, chaste as hidden pearls: a guerdon for their deeds... We created the houris and made them virgins, loving companions for those on the right hand..."

One should note that most translations, even those by Muslims themselves such as A Yusuf Ali, and the British Muslim Marmaduke Pickthall, translate the Arabic (plural) word Abkarun as virgins, as do well-known lexicons such the one by John Penrice. I emphasise this fact since many pudic and embarrassed Muslims claim there has been a mistranslation, that "virgins" should be replaced by "angels". In sura 55 verses 72-74, Dawood translates the Arabic word " hur " as "virgins", and the context makes clear that virgin is the appropriate translation: "Dark-eyed virgins sheltered in their tents (which of your Lord's blessings would you deny?) whom neither man nor jinnee will have touched before." The word hur occurs four times in the Koran and is usually translated as a "maiden with dark eyes".

Two points need to be noted. First, there is no mention anywhere in the Koran of the actual number of virgins available in paradise, and second, the dark-eyed damsels are available for all Muslims, not just martyrs. It is in the Islamic Traditions that we find the 72 virgins in heaven specified: in a Hadith (Islamic Tradition) collected by Al-Tirmidhi (died 892 CE [common era*]) in the Book of Sunan (volume IV, chapters on The Features of Paradise as described by the Messenger of Allah [Prophet Muhammad], chapter 21, About the Smallest Reward for the People of Paradise, (Hadith 2687). The same hadith is also quoted by Ibn Kathir (died 1373 CE ) in his Koranic commentary (Tafsir) of Surah Al-Rahman (55), verse 72: "The Prophet Muhammad was heard saying: 'The smallest reward for the people of paradise is an abode where there are 80,000 servants and 72 wives, over which stands a dome decorated with pearls, aquamarine, and ruby, as wide as the distance from Al-Jabiyyah [a Damascus suburb] to Sana'a [Yemen]'."

Modern apologists of Islam try to downplay the evident materialism and sexual implications of such descriptions, but, as the Encyclopaedia of Islam says, even orthodox Muslim theologians such as al Ghazali (died 1111 CE) and Al-Ash'ari (died 935 CE) have "admitted sensual pleasures into paradise". The sensual pleasures are graphically elaborated by Al-Suyuti (died 1505 ), Koranic commentator and polymath. He wrote: "Each time we sleep with a houri we find her virgin. Besides, the penis of the Elected never softens. The erection is eternal; the sensation that you feel each time you make love is utterly delicious and out of this world and were you to experience it in this world you would faint. Each chosen one [ie Muslim] will marry seventy [sic] houris, besides the women he married on earth, and all will have appetising vaginas."

One of the reasons Nietzsche hated Christianity was that it "made something unclean out of sexuality", whereas Islam, many would argue, was sex-positive. One cannot imagine any of the Church fathers writing ecstatically of heavenly sex as al-Suyuti did, with the possible exception of St Augustine before his conversion. But surely to call Islam sex-positive is to insult all Muslim women, for sex is seen entirely from the male point of view; women's sexuality is admitted but seen as something to be feared, repressed, and a work of the devil.

Scholars have long pointed out that these images are clearly drawn pictures and must have been inspired by the art of painting. Muhammad, or whoever is responsible for the descriptions, may well have seen Christian miniatures or mosaics representing the gardens of paradise and has interpreted the figures of angels rather literally as those of young men and young women. A further textual influence on the imagery found in the Koran is the work of Ephrem the Syrian [306-373 CE], Hymns on Paradise, written in Syriac, an Aramaic dialect and the language of Eastern Christianity, and a Semitic language closely related to Hebrew and Arabic.

This naturally leads to the most fascinating book ever written on the language of the Koran, and if proved to be correct in its main thesis, probably the most important book ever written on the Koran. Christoph Luxenberg's book, Die Syro-Aramaische Lesart des Koran, available only in German, came out just over a year ago, but has already had an enthusiastic reception, particularly among those scholars with a knowledge of several Semitic languages at Princeton, Yale, Berlin, Potsdam, Erlangen, Aix-en-Provence, and the Oriental Institute in Beirut.

Luxenberg tries to show that many obscurities of the Koran disappear if we read certain words as being Syriac and not Arabic. We cannot go into the technical details of his methodology but it allows Luxenberg, to the probable horror of all Muslim males dreaming of sexual bliss in the Muslim hereafter, to conjure away the wide-eyed houris promised to the faithful in suras XLIV.54; LII.20, LV.72, and LVI.22. Luxenberg 's new analysis, leaning on the Hymns of Ephrem the Syrian, yields "white raisins" of "crystal clarity" rather than doe-eyed, and ever willing virgins - the houris. Luxenberg claims that the context makes it clear that it is food and drink that is being offerred, and not unsullied maidens or houris.

In Syriac, the word hur is a feminine plural adjective meaning white, with the word "raisin" understood implicitly. Similarly, the immortal, pearl-like ephebes or youths of suras such as LXXVI.19 are really a misreading of a Syriac expression meaning chilled raisins (or drinks) that the just will have the pleasure of tasting in contrast to the boiling drinks promised the unfaithful and damned.

As Luxenberg's work has only recently been published we must await its scholarly assessment before we can pass any judgements. But if his analysis is correct then suicide bombers, or rather prospective martyrs, would do well to abandon their culture of death, and instead concentrate on getting laid 72 times in this world, unless of course they would really prefer chilled or white raisins, according to their taste, in the next.

T-Mobile   ·  February 5, 2006 4:46 PM

may allah spank my monkey when there are no more virgins left.

allah saw   ·  February 6, 2006 10:12 AM

allah be praise there are infidels to introduce us the concept of hetrosexuality else we all be in hell for pedophilia

prophet mohammad   ·  February 6, 2006 10:15 AM

Funny how we didn't see Buddhists behaving like this after the Taliban blew up two ancient statues of the Buddha in Afghanistan.

Anonymous   ·  February 6, 2006 3:06 PM

Funny how we didn't see Buddhists behaving like this after the Taliban blew up two ancient statues of the Buddha in Afghanistan.

Basil Brush   ·  February 6, 2006 3:07 PM

The world has gone insane!!! Everyone needs to get a grip, stop crying like babies and MOVE ON!!!

Anonymous   ·  February 6, 2006 3:54 PM

The Muslim does not worship the God of the Christian. Christians worship Christ as God, Muslims do not.

Ray   ·  February 6, 2006 4:02 PM

Funny how it's perfectly okay for Jews and Christians to be depicted in cartoons in the most offensive way in the Muslim world, but when someone does the same thing to them; LOOK OUT! Muslims are the biggest hypocrites alive! Does Jews are monkeys and pigs sound familar!

Kalid says Europe is racist against Muslims, then why is europe catering to them and why are they letting an unlimited amount of muslims in their countries! Why does the EU send the palestinians 10 million dollars a month then if Europe hates Muslims so much!

By the way Kalid a perfect example of just how Muslims are racist against Christians is when they beheaded someone in Saudi Arabia back in 1993 just because they were caught with the bible. Three girls in Indonesia were beheaded by Muslims just because they were Christian. A teacher in Afhganistan was beheaded last month by one of the Taliban just because she was Christian! The Muslims during WW2 served in one of Hitler's SS units! Bosnian Muslims. The Grand Mufti of Jerusalem formed a very strong alliance with Hitler!

Marcie   ·  February 6, 2006 4:20 PM

Why dont the dumb ass West threaten to Nuke and Nuke a self declared Holy city for every suicide bomber. One suicide action deserve another. Make sure they strap a suicidal Godly person to the missile.

RT   ·  February 6, 2006 4:52 PM

The destruction of 200,000 in split seconds stopped the war in the EAST. The bad news is it might take the destruction of 200 million in split seconds to stop this worldwide violance in the name of GOD.

RT   ·  February 6, 2006 4:57 PM

The best way to stop the Islamic thugs is to use the Chinese communist iron fist. Democracy sometimes introduces its own destruction.

Jiuman   ·  February 6, 2006 5:17 PM

Jesus and Mohamed are gay! They blow each other!

Anonymous   ·  February 6, 2006 10:35 PM

This is so funny. Muhammad was murderer, thief and sexual pervert. He founded his sick religion to further his deviant behavior. He was nothing more than a David Koresh 400 years after Christ. He also liked boys. The hysterical response from the "True Believers" is because there's too much truth in the cartoons.

I have read the Koran. Of course it was in English and therefore a tainted writing; not in "god's language"; god's language is the stagnant Arabic language. One can only understand Islam by reading in gods language. A vast majority of the ignorant Muslims can't read Arabic and just recite it from rote. Anyway the text about violence far out weighs any thing about peaceful actions.

And by the way the asses believe that there is no free choice, that god makes infidels and believers and there is no changing. Infidels go to hell and were meant to go there from the get go. That's also why it's ok to kill an infidel or two every once in a while.

Women are pretty much worthless too. Actually theyre worth a man as far as their courts are concerned. Two women witnesses equal the word on one man, sometimes. Its ok to beat your wife as punishment for disobedience, you just shouldnt make her bleed. However if she should be unfaithful its ok to cut off her head.

We are in a war against a sick religion. There are no Muslims that are against the so called radicals, they just arent on board yet. They all swear allegiance to Mecca and swear to take up arms in the name of Islam. In their creed ask a towel head.

Fuck Muhammad and the camel he rode in on!

Enlightened One   ·  February 6, 2006 10:55 PM

And fuck Jesus too and his stupid followers!

Anonymous   ·  February 6, 2006 10:58 PM

man,some of the less fundamentalist muslim reckon it is a religion of peace.What the hell.The prophet himself killed in the name of god...committed peodaphilia..and even massacred his cousins.And they went on to kill...

p manoukian   ·  February 6, 2006 11:23 PM

to all the muslims out there... how do you justify the reward of virgins in heaven,how do let the appaling treatment of women to go on,they are you mothers and sisters..why don't you admit that it was a made up religion..how come you don't have a muslimm named gabriel since he appeared to mohammed to give him the news,(because it is a christian/jewish name).If you admit that Christ was born from Mary,via an immacullate conception,it is in your Sourat mariam.Then why would anyone follow the words of a lesser prophet born from man.mohamed is the 666 ibcarnate.Please convert and save your souls.

p.manoukian   ·  February 6, 2006 11:31 PM

Mankind is doomed!!!!

Anonymous   ·  February 6, 2006 11:36 PM

Convert to christianity? From one crap religion to another? Just drop the stupid religion! All this for a dead man on a stick! Such hypocrisy. Christianity: the religion of peace. Come all yea faithful and lets shoot the abortion doctor!

Anonymous   ·  February 6, 2006 11:49 PM

Muslims are just racist with religion as an excuse. They hate every kind - Christian, Jewish, Hindu, Buddhist, you name it. Everyone but themselves. Isn't it all a big game?

Anon   ·  February 7, 2006 1:46 AM

No one can fucking take religion seriously anymore, you stupidos!!! Only those who got brainwashed enough at childhood. Just like I once believed in the tooth fairy. IT'S ALL A CONSPIRACY, I TELLS YA!!! Get over it already, otherwise you go to Hell and there's green and blue lights which pass straight through your hollow skulls... AND there's NO WINE OR PUSSY! Ohhh, how tragic... If you listen to me I'll give you gold, cannabis and unlimited bosom... COME TO MEEE... Do I sound insane? I think so.

Millie Dutt   ·  February 7, 2006 1:51 AM

if you think you have problems with the "crusaders'..wait until the chineese wake up.they hate your fucking guts,muslim piece of shit!!!

crusader   ·  February 7, 2006 2:01 AM

My two cents worth...

The Muslims are upset because they believe these cartoons are insulting to the Prophet (PBUH). My question is would He really be insulted? The only reason I ask, is because if I were in Jannat (heaven) with 72 willing females and an everlasting raging hard-on, I wouldnt care too much about what some mortal in Denmark was drawing on a piece of paper

Bismi-Allahi ar-Rahmani, ar-Raheem (In the name of Allah, most compassionate and merciful), how can the Muslims threaten the world with violence?

Summer Grass   ·  February 7, 2006 2:26 AM

I have to ask some posters in this thread, do you have any adult supervision in your life?

Were it in my power a number of people would be grounded for a week, and a few for a month or so. You can't act like grown-ups, you don't get treated like grown-ups.

As for Mohammed's purported child molestation; were you aware that most sexual activity by 13 and 14 year old girls with a man are initiated by the child? Do a search on the phrase "childhood sexuality" sometime. We lie about our children and what they're like, and those lies end up hurting them.

In our attempts to keep them pure we end up corrupting our children. This is known as an unintended conesquence, and it is one that destroys lives.

Alan Kellogg   ·  February 7, 2006 2:27 AM

Many of these comments are indeed appalling. This is just another reminder that I accept no responsibility for any comments unless they come from me.

Eric Scheie   ·  February 7, 2006 7:42 AM

That Islam is a religion of peace is a big lie. In fact Islam makes enemy everywhere, not just with the West. Muslims terrorists blew up a bus killing dozens of people, in China a few years ago. This was not widely reported because the communist government covered it up for the shame of inability to control.

Jiuman   ·  February 7, 2006 8:28 AM

in islam, no one including themselves can question whatsoever about their religion. even no matter how stupid islamic laws are. they will go straight to hell if they question. example, "why can i not eat those delicious bacon sandwiches" or "why is it ok to threat my own mother and sisters like shit".

and some people here are trying to get them to understand what?? islam is a blind faith. it is a "take it up the ass and say thank you religion."

allah   ·  February 7, 2006 10:33 AM

Well.... Just one more head-shake that some cartoons of Mohammed can cause so much trouble.

This is not about cartoons or hurt feelings anymore. This is about the usual hard-core muslims taking up every chance the get to create riots, trouble, stir hate and generally behave like the un-controlable persons they are and always will be. I think there can never be a organized, logic debate with such people but most people don't realize this since we are trying to moderate the debate in a westerly fashion - something that these people simply don't grasp.

Freedom of speech and free press are some of the basic things of our society - we should NEVER back down from this or even let our selves be half convinced that these values are worth less than the hurt feelings of muslims. Sorry, but.... Muslims want us to accept their oppinion of what is acceptable to print, and perhaps they should also accept our oppinion as well. And the printing of the cartoons were totally within the limits of any law, morale and journalistic ethics in the Denmark and in the major part of the world. This is the way things are in Denmark and should the Danes appologize for that ? I think not.

Hurt muslim feelings over some cartoons ? Well, I guess that certain muslim TV stations airing of videos of totally innocent and defenceless victims being butchered with a slow knife through the throat and finally having the head separeted from the body was intended as a good-night show for western children ? Or when the Talibans destroyed statues of Budda ? Or when the iranian president insists that the Hollocaust didn't take place ?

Personally I have nothing against muslims - I have something against any person of any religion behaving like this and hiding behind religious motives. And I am really sorry for islam, but it looks like you guys are really good at it....

Lots of credit to the islamic priests who tried to control the crowds talking against the violence and even got a few rocks in the head for the effort.

I see that on this site a lot of people view Mohammed as a small dehydrated pedophile thief boning away on his child-wife. Well, whatever. That's a matter of difference in oppinion and respect for other peoples religion.

But what saddens me most is that the hooligan muslims didn't really get until now what islam is really about.

... last thing: If they really want to let Danish diary producing firms pay for the cartoons, well, then.... Mustafa, learn how to make your f****** feta-cheese yourself.

JJ

JJ   ·  February 7, 2006 10:56 AM

The Islam violence lies squarely in the Muslims feeling of a civilization in decline -- and the adoption of terror and intimidation as the road to restoration. It is one thing for the Muslims to have fallen behind the West. But to fall behind South Korea -- also colonized, once poor and lacking any of the Muslim world's fantastic oil wealth -- is sheer humiliation.

Jiuman   ·  February 7, 2006 11:25 AM

The Islamic violence lies squarely in the Muslims feeling of a civilization in decline -- and the adoption of terror and intimidation as the road to restoration. It is one thing for the Muslims to have fallen behind the West. But to fall behind South Korea, Taiwan, Singapore -- also colonized, once poor and lacking any of the Muslim world's fantastic oil wealth -- is sheer humiliation.

Jiuman   ·  February 7, 2006 11:28 AM

That doesn't look like Mohammed at all. That looks like my buddy, Singh-ot Kulahngoth, who passes by the stalls every afternoon to collect payments for his 5-6 business.

pistingyawa   ·  February 7, 2006 3:09 PM

If mudslum lands are so holy to them why don't they stay there.U.S and Danish flags should be made with toxic chemicals and handed out at protests so they choke on the smoke.

John   ·  February 7, 2006 8:00 PM

Ugh what a bunch of ugly comments. Welcome to the clash of civilizations, I guess... Now I have to side with the religion bashing jerks or the Muslim jerks... Guess I'll side with the religion-bashers, but talk about the lesser of two evils.

Hark   ·  February 7, 2006 9:01 PM

As respect for other people's religion go, what do the Muslin community think of the destruction of the giant Bhuddas?

Amazed   ·  February 7, 2006 9:24 PM

The islamics are showing themselves for what they are: midevel backward little people who have not graduated to the modern world yet! screw mohamed!

richard langston   ·  February 8, 2006 12:27 AM

I gotta say my Muhammad cartoon T-shirts are making me a lot of money I made 2,500 in 3 days. I just wanna thank the Danish people for what they have done for me. Opened up a good little business opportunity. I shall keep people posted on the T-shirts for those that want to buy online when I get little business established.
Man I can now pay off my university fees I never thought the prophet Muhammad could be so useful, thank allah ( wateva he he is donkey, cow , gorilla ) for dis muhammad felleh.

chang   ·  February 8, 2006 6:30 AM

I gotta say my Muhammad cartoon T-shirts are making me a lot of money I made 2,500 in 3 days. I just wanna thank the Danish people for what they have done for me. Opened up a good little business opportunity. I shall keep people posted on the T-shirts for those that want to buy online when I get little business established.
Man I can now pay off my university fees I never thought the prophet Muhammad could be so useful, thank allah ( wateva he he is donkey, cow , gorilla ) for dis muhammad felleh.

Anonymous   ·  February 8, 2006 6:32 AM

Violence will not prevail. The WEST will keel (this sounds violence but its not) the Arab and Muslim violence through solidarity and peaceful response. And if that wont work, then there's always nukes. :-).

RT   ·  February 8, 2006 10:09 AM

The prophet says that the rich lives on the poor and the poor lives on beliefs. He would rather be rich.

RT   ·  February 8, 2006 10:11 AM

"Islam says it's all right to demonstrate but not to resort to violence. This must stop," senior cleric Mohammed Usman told The Associated Press. "We condemn the cartoons but this does not justify violence. These rioters are defaming the name of Islam."

defaming? they are idiots!

allah   ·  February 8, 2006 11:34 AM

We should dump Judaism, Christianity and Islam. Its been close to thousands of years. We should start a new religion where all can agree to. The UN should intervene and propose a New Religion where all in Mankind can follow, believe and agree. Maby start with a 5 to 10 year Project and eradicate the virus of Judaism, Christianity and Islam create a new all loving and non lethal virus. We can call it Project Genesis - The NEW ZEUS.

RT   ·  February 8, 2006 2:26 PM

The GOD (Allah) of Christians and Muslims does not need defending by angry mobs. In fact he is as hurt and saddened with the violent reaction as he is with the printing of the ads. It's not about Muslims, Christians or Secularists (yes, they are a religion)it is about the rejection of God and his son Jesus. Yes, I am a Christian.

We can keep pointing fingers and being manipulated by organized religions/governments or we can cry out to GOD for the way we sin and reject him on a daily basis. Yes, Christians, Muslims and Secularists are all sinners and only by belief in Jesus (Gods son) and his death for our sins can we ever hope to have eternal life with him.

I don't share the beliefs of many of my fellow created human beings but I do respect the fact that they are all GOD's created beings and he loves them and want's a relationship with them.
As he set out in creation though he has given each of us a free will to choose eternity with him or eternity with Satan (Lucifer, Devil etc...)

Don't be manipulated by the forces in this world around you but seek GOD's will for your life. And I can tell you that it does not include violence or mocking others.

Have a nice life but look to eternity!!

Pray. Pray. Pray.

Paul Bryce   ·  February 8, 2006 7:22 PM

in order for islam to exist, it must attack other religions and disprove other religions. this is like an atheist trying to convince every one around him god does not exist in order for him to continue to be an atheist.

idiots destroy the buddhist statue in afghanistan and buddist continues like nothing happen. this is why no matter how much other religions are mock, it doesn't effect the religion whatsoever.

draw a cartoon the the whole world islams jumps up screaming like a craze moron. becareful another cartoon or two, islam might be destroyed...thats what islams is alll about. it needs protection to keep going. hahahaha..

allah   ·  February 8, 2006 8:30 PM

Does it seem strange to anyone else that here in the United States, where freedom of speech is guaranteed by the First Amendment (and where several founding fathers felt free to criticise religious orthodoxy), our mainstream media insists on protecting the public from seeing cartoons?

Has the visibly violent Muslim response to these cartoons convinced a whole lot of Westerners that the path of discretion is to treat the issue with kid gloves now . . . and perhaps cut back on the entrance visas from Islamic nations asap?

Observer   ·  February 8, 2006 8:48 PM

For the people making fun of Jesus and everyone else, your judgement day will come. If muslims want to act like this over a cartoon it doesnt say much about them, but when they die and go up to the gates, its gonna be a sad day. Just remember eternity is a long time to spend in hell. It will actually probably feel a lot like forever.

Anonymous   ·  February 9, 2006 8:02 AM

It's all one big fat lie imposed on your fuckin' heads by your so-called glorious god. McCartney was right ... live and let die! Long live the murderous religion!! see u in hell!!!

awan sujana   ·  February 9, 2006 8:03 AM

I once had sympathy for these muslems but now I am very disillusioned by them,they can't be helped.they only know violence. My sentiments are 'SEND THEM BACK WHERE THEY CAME FROM!!

disillusioned   ·  February 9, 2006 11:53 AM

I am a muslim, and I don't mind of making ajoke about anything, because our people also making a joke about Jesus....so...why you are so angry????

amanda ningsih   ·  February 10, 2006 2:16 AM

I hate sie fucking muslims and say dead to sem all. I hase alle JUDENSCHWEIN!

Arian Ras   ·  February 10, 2006 12:09 PM

This is the biggest bullshit I have ever seen.
Spilled fucking milk. Jesus Christ or should I say Allah! Stop taking the piss and get over it!

Alex Nointr   ·  February 10, 2006 12:13 PM

Hello I am a representative of the Swedish Democrats( Sverige Demokraterna ). We believe that a country with less imigrants would benefit us all. Maybe this will affect their opinion about leaving our precious Arien Country.


P.S May Hitler Rise Once Again!

From: Thor Gnner.


Thor Gnner   ·  February 10, 2006 12:24 PM

damput kabeh kowe... wong - wong kui wes diatur karo sing moho... awake dewe gari njalanke wae,.. rasah nganggo ribut - ribut/// yen pancen nabi kui ora trimo, mesti de`e iso bertindak... kecuali nek de`e yo ga iso opo - opo//... raperlu sing nang dunyo iki podo sok - sok`an....

damput kabeh ora sing barat ora sing timur.... damput !!!!!!

indie boy   ·  February 10, 2006 2:17 PM

I intend to buy as many Danish products as I can from now on

Anonymous   ·  February 10, 2006 4:20 PM

"I made up all the religion of the world to keep the ignorant fighting. I did not think the joke would continue for so long." Satan

You people are not very clever. Do you really think a God(supposing he exists) who created all the universe in its diverse splendour needs to be worshiped ?

Do you really think you are going to live for ever in some sort of personal paradise ? And with Virgins ?

In the entire history of the world how many times have we spilled the blood of innocent women and children in the name of peace, love and our special flavour of divinity ?

and the lord said Love thy neighbour in exactly the way I told one person. If you are smart enough to create the universe. then I am guessing you are smart enough to pass the message to more than one person at a time.

Religion has made the Devil redundant, He could never find the time to committ the atrocities of Christians, Muslims or Jews.

If you study the theological "mission Creep" of all religions and research the past rules and regulations you will find nothing but manipulation and spin. Changing slightly to fit the times but always to maintain power and obediance.

It was the politics of the past used by the powerfull to control the masses.

Imagine this.... You are born...You live...You die. You are not significant and you are going to decompose in the ground with all the previously living creatures of the earth.

PS. The world is not flat and the stars will never fall from the sky and on the day of judgement (again if there is going to be one) I will be quite perky because I have not beheaded anyone or made war in order to create peace.

The real problem is that we do not have the answers to the big questions about life. With everyone struggling with uncertainty it is easy to place your faith with some half arsed rubbish to make you feel better. Delusions keep people happy.

Evolved Person   ·  February 10, 2006 5:28 PM

you fucking allah lovers are a bunch of fucking terrorist

fuck you muslims   ·  February 10, 2006 5:49 PM

Let's face it...Islam is a vile religion that encourages infidels head be chopped off, and, in the Quran clearly states that all Christians and Jews should die as the enemies of Allah.

People have mocked Jesus in movies and books for a hundred years and Christian nations haven't gone around chopping their heads off...

People have made fun of Buddha (the fat little porker) and Buddhists have not stopped chanting and picked up machine guns...

It is only that violent and vile faith of Islam that encourages its followers to kill...

Mohammed wrote in the 'Koran' (as you westerners call it) to behead and kill those that reject Islam...

Jesus said "love your enemies and do good to those that despitefully use you'

Given the choice it seems Mohammed needs to find Jesus.

Ahmed   ·  February 10, 2006 5:51 PM

WHY DONT ALL YOU FUCKING ALLAH HUGGING TWATS GO FUCK YOURSELVES OR BETTER YET GO FUCK A GOAT LIKE YOUR USED TO AND LEAVE US ALL ALONE YOU FUCKING CAMEL FUCKERS

fuck you muslims   ·  February 10, 2006 5:54 PM

Wow! check out 'Khalid's post - he says "Europeans are racist period."
If thats not a racist statement itself then what is?!!!
"Everyone knows that the extent of child abuse in the chatolic church is massive"
You seem to be confusing the prejudices of your tiny spiteful hate-ridden mind with public opinion at large- a trait often to be observed amongst the intellectually-deprived..incidentally..I wonder
just why would so many Muslims are so touchy around the issue of paedophilia?
After all if the Qu'ran is a direction fit for all time then, seeing as the Prophet (at circa 53 y.o) penetrated a nine year old child then surely the Wests' sexual morality laws are completely wrong and against Allah's will? Surely Muslims will be now be protesting at the treatment of those criminalised and vilified for such sexual proclivities?What does islam say about the likes of ,say, Gary Glitter? After all, if Mohammed was the perfect example of how to act..Is poor old gary not getting a raw deal?? Perhaps you should organise another protest march.


DhimmiLRG   ·  February 10, 2006 6:04 PM

On the issue of whether or not satire cartoons are protected by the first ammendment here in the U.S. it's a yes/no answer. I studied media law in college and looked over the supreme court cases based off the 1st ammendment. There is a clause the supreme court came up with called hate speech or fighting words. In short it basically says you have the right to say anything you want, but the moment you infringe on someone else's rights to life, liberty, and justice, then you are not covered by the first ammendment. For example telling someone to F#^@ck off or harrass someone to the point of fighting you is not covered under the 1st ammendment.
This is why when a child tells the teacher about someone picking on him/her in school the other child is repremanded. However, satir and political cartoons do not relate to this. I'm just merely saying people don't have the right to say whatever the hell they want in public. Cartoons inciting hate crimes, riots, or desent against the government are actually illegal in the U.S. (look up the Supreme Court cases against the KKK, and WWII desenters). Papers in America even walk a fine line between what is freedom of speech and illegal speech. This is why you can't swear on the radio or in papers, because it's public forum.
Radical islamic fachist (not spelled right) think western civilization is the devil and going to hell in a hand basket. They think our sex, drugs, and rock-n-roll society needs to be destroyed and converted back to conservative ideas. Western civilization with it's acceptence of "anything goes" is a cancer and needs to be removed and converted to islam. Where good moral values lead the way. Kinda sounds like some of the christian fundamentalist here in the U.S. like those on T.V.
This would mean no freedom of expression, no porn, no drugs, basically no freedom of choice! So here's the solution to fight off terrorism without violence. Because violence begats more violence. Have Western Society go even more left in political thought. Vote for you democrats, create big socalist goverments and programs, buy porn, have sex with your brother/sister/co-workers guy or girl openly and show these fundamentalist conservatives just how liberal we can be. Martin Luther King protested non-violence take heed to his message. Instead of dropping bombs on Al Quida encampments drop teddy bears, candy, along with porn, Brittany Spears music, and chick flick movies showing love.
If you haven't guessed I'm being sarcastic. But it is something to think about. Rather than take the republican idea of bombing the hell out of everything, or the democratic idea of "understanding" where these jihadist come from and improve our culture to stop them from hating us, just make them hate us even more to the point where they give up. Shock and awe baby!!!!!!

Problem Solver   ·  February 10, 2006 6:35 PM
Anonymous   ·  February 10, 2006 6:45 PM

well- what a lot of fuss. don't you know you'll all be dead oneday turn to dust and return to the stars. There is no god no matter howmuch noise you make about it. That's the problem - people are afraid of death and there is no god but if they make enough huff & puff they hide their fear in their own delusions. Ther is no god and blowing people up or whatever will not make it so.

grandma   ·  February 10, 2006 6:48 PM

Well, here goes my first-ever attempt to post my two cents' worth:

I can't believe the furor over the cartoons published months ago. Worse, are the anti-Jew and anti-Muslim comments I've read in here, as well as right-wing Christian condemnation of Muslims. The Christian Comments I read in here are just as narrow-minded and intolerant as are the protestors I see on the news, and his/her words are much more inciteful than those cartoons were. Those comments were downright extremist-scary, like shooting abortion-performing doctors scary: flip-side of the same coin.

I've searched many years for the right religion for myself, for one that fits me, and I've looked at all of them, although I was brought up Christian. I finally decided I believe strongly in God/Allah/Jehovah, but I also believe that when people turn their belief into organized religion, they screw it up, without fail, and eventually develop beliefs that they are RIGHT and every other religion or religious branch-off of their religion is WRONG. The longer the religion exists, the more anal they get about their intolerance - take Baptists and Methodists sprinkling or dunking, take Orthodox versus Conservative versus Reform versus Hassidic Jews, take Catholics versus Protestants, or vice versa. The longer people have a hold of a religion, the more they damage the intent - worshipping God and allowing others to do the same in peace and as they see fit.

My father once told me during a phone call that Catholics and Mormons (Latter-Day Saints) are cults, and he condemned them for their false beliefs. I asked him with surprise, "Dad...YOU are GOD??? I didn't know YOU are GOD - what an honor to find out my dad is God!"

I kept repeating myself as he tried to spread intolerant poison he'd probably heard from the pulpit that morning at church, until he replied with irritation, "No, I am not God, why do you keep saying that?! Why do you keep interrupting me?!"

I replied, "Well, Dad, I thought only GOD has the right to judge or condemn. I figured you must be God, if you believe you have the right to judge and condemn other branches of your same faith or other faiths. I figure you must be God if you feel you have the privilege of God to judge and condemn. I'd sure be absolutely sure that I WERE God, or at least his prophet, before I took such liberties as to condemn others' beliefs. Otherwise, Dad, I'm afraid you might get to the pearly gates and find out that not only were you wrong, and one of the other religions you judged as a cult was the more true religion in God's view, such as one of the ones you so readily condemn...but even worse, Dad...you might get there just to find out God is REALLY UNHAPPY with you whether or not you believed the closest faith to God's Will or not. Because God might just be really angry with you specifically FOR judging and condemning any other believers or religions - AT ALL!"

Unfortunately, my Dad is so enraptured with his Born-Again-Christian faith (or Born-Again-fanatacism), he didn't get the message.

It was: Believe what you feel comfortable believing, but don't judge or condemn others who believe differently. IF you believe in God, or a Higher Power, then, in doing so, you concede such judgments and decisions to God alone.

I thought the comment about the Pope joke with all the AIDS victims dead from not using condoms was a good counterpoint to the Muslim cartoons. More examples of similar humor might help Muslims to feel that their faith is not the only one focused upon. Besides, it was funny.

The press likes to poke fun at truth, hypocrisy, irony, correlation and so much more. Always has. But if it offends thee, don't pluck it out, PLEASE PEOPLE, just CHOOSE not to read it. Censorship of the press because one offended faith demands it, is still censorship. And when threats of harm or retaliation with violence or explosives are involved, I'd call that "terrorism" in order to coerce/force censorship. As in we'll bomb your Capital if you don't apologize? Do they realize how ironic that is or how such a response serves to lend credibility to the cartoon of Muhammed with a bomb poking out of his head? Jeez.

Look at the cartoons, see the offensiveness or the humor or the irony or whatever you personally see in them, and then round-file them (i.e., throw them in the trash) and move on with your life.

You know what this reminds me of? Do you remember when Clinton was being investigated for the blow-jobs and cigar-sex with Monica Lewinsky? I was SO embarrassed for my country! Not that he and she had committed such acts, but that my own government spent millions to scrape every little dirty detail up for public consumption that should have remained private and personal (of course include his wife Hillary in the limited circle of who should have been in-the-know). I listened to foreign news about it on my PC, and America was the laughingstock of the world for such inane wastefulness of millions of dollars over fairly minor sexual indiscretions (and gross, the cigar-penetration bit was disgusting, and, just F.Y.I, I bet they only did that THE ONE TIME because one time is all it took for her to find out that tobacco WITHIN your private parts BURNS - don't even ask me how I know that).

TRUISMS:
1. Sexual indescretions among government/elected officials = common worldwide and always has been.

2. Spending millions to anally and publically force out and dredge up every little detail from the participants = Only In America.

I'm not certain, because I am not Muslim, but if I were a Moderate (read: non-terrorist-prone) Muslim, my best hunch is that I would probably be really embarrassed at the fuss being made by my fellow believers over some stupid published cartoons. I'd turn away from them as inappropriate and want them to go away, like I wish the U.S. had done about the Clinton Sex Scandal.

Frankly, since I've seen news of the worldwide cartoon-protests running every time I've turned on CNN yesterday and today, I got curious about the blasphemous infidel cartoons enough to look online and see for myself how bad a few Danish cartoons had to be to incite such a worldwide reaction, which, actually, is how I wound up in here.

But, from my admittedly SUBJECTIVE, non-Muslim, non-organized religion follower but devout believer in a Higher-Power and Democrat-leaning-toward-socialist, female American perspective (that was a mouthful), the MORE threats I hear about, the LESS I view the bomb-in-the-head cartoon of Muhammed as a cartoon caricature, and the MORE it appears to be an unfortuitous yet apropos example of "the writing is on the wall"...or...in other words...of a highly ironic cartoon, as it were, but one that is based at least in part on some unpleasant truths in regard to some extremist Muslims...
...so...now that practically the whole Muslim world is protesting the cartoons...how much credibility are their actions giving to the very thing they protest?

What I'm saying here, folks, is that the outraged reactions by Muslims, the intolerance and threats because their prophet and belief was the focus of cartoon caricatures, was simply an example of the media poking at another institution - like the media poke at EVERYTHING. If anything, it shows me that the media views the Muslim religion as a credible institution worthy of taking a few pot-shots at. Like the Pope, like Clinton, like Bush and his non-hands-on-initial presidential response to Hurricane Katrina, like everything else that is mainstream, accepted or current. I read the cartoons as disrespectful, sure, but that is usually what caricature cartoons are. They should make us think, they should make the recipients think and also think twice about how they may be perceived by others. But I also see the fact that published caricature/humor cartoons are a sign of mainstream acceptance of the Muslim religion ranking alongside the Pope/Catholicism, Christianity, Judaism, with governments, with ENRON...with current events and an innate assumption that the reader already has a level of common/cultural knowledge on the topic. That's a BAD thing?

In short, the cartoons themselves are not complimentary but the fact that the Muslim religion was the focus of mainstream media cartoons IS.

However you view them, whatever your faith, please people...Get Over It. Threats and protests over uncomplimentary or even blasphemous cartoons...GOOD LORD! With Global Warming, Starving People, AIDS, Environmental Pollution, the dry winter and wild fires already starting and burning here (Arizona) and in California, a tax-dollar-sucking-yet-not-a-war-but-people-still-keep-dying-over-there-and-I'm-sick-of-lies-about-it-and-want-it-over whateveryouwannacallit Bush-initiated thing going on in Iraq, and with the U.S. Patriot Act probably going to cause ME to be monitored or blacklisted from taking commercial airlines JUST FOR WRITING THIS in here, with intolerance and prejudice of race, heritage, religion, sex, sexual orientation, marital status, riding a Harley in leathers (that's me), and with politician improprieties every day on the news, sexual or otherwise (I'd take sexual improprieties over misappropriating millions of tax or employee retirement dollars any day), with Mad Cow disease and bird flu and AIDS and cancer...can't we find something more pressing to get riled up about than a few disrespectful cartoons published months ago in Denmark? If the people protesting spent that time in prayer asking for forgiveness and tolerance, for themselves and for others, their time would be better spent. Get over it, people, or, in my kind of jargon; Get A Life. Please.

Thank you for your time. We can agree to disagree.

Arizona Carrie   ·  February 10, 2006 7:07 PM

The guarantees of free expression that are so basic to Western culture are not needed to protect those who say what others want to hear. It is specifically in defense of the right to be outrageous and insulting that such freedom is needed. Nobody needs to be protected when claiming that the king (or God) is a great guy. What needs to be protected is the right to blaspheme, to insult, to tell people that the king is a murderer. Perhaps alot of what is wrong with the world is that there are too many people who are afraid to question "axioms" that don't make sense to them.

Consider -- If God is a single living being, who has a will, then at most, only one of our religions knows what it is, and all the rest of us are acting in opposition to God's will. Opposition to God's will is the very definition of "Evil".
Consider -- We have only our own particular religion's God's word that His/Her will defines "Goodness" (and, by extension, "Evil").
So perhaps God is not a being with a will, and is instead our particular culture's concept of "Goodness". Perhaps, if we move from one culture to another, it requires a change in our own concept of God and of Goodness. Perhaps protest would be more effective if the protesters would not call for the death of any who dare call the protesters' particular religion violent.

Rashun Al-Mann   ·  February 10, 2006 7:08 PM

Okay, let me get this out of the way. I don't believe in religion of any kind. I (personally) think that religion is a way for people to feel more comfortable with dying. However, I also feel that free speech can be taken too far. Some people are just too stupid and crude to have free speech, however, who's to decide who can speak and who cannot? There's no one. I am an advocate for free speech, but I'm also an advocate against ignorance. If you think that you, and only your way of thinking is correct, you're ignorant. I have no problem whatsoever with the thought of there being a God...thus proving me wrong. In fact, kudos to those that tried to sway me otherwise, if that is the case. Bible thumping Christians, who say that Muslims and other religions should follow Christianity or die are ridiculous and ignorant bastards. I love diversity in culture and otherwise, and anyone who makes such rash remarks is obviously taking themselves much too seriously...just as the Muslims are taking themselves and the cartoons much too seriously. There is fault in both places, and I think that both are wrong. If we just accept each other, live and let live, everything would work out fine, instead of judging each other, using biased, non objective information.

A favorite quote on free speech to sum things up:
I do not agree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it. -Voltaire

FauberMaus   ·  February 10, 2006 7:08 PM

Hey FauberMaus:

I really like what you wrote! Voltaire's quote is PERFECT! I didn't have my Bartlett's Familiar Quotations handy...well, actually I did, an electronic one, but the batteries are dead in my Franklin BookMan and acquiring new ones would've required a trip to Radio Shack... so, although it came to mind, I wasn't willing to misquote him.

I like how you think! Are you single? LOL ;^D

Arizona Carrie   ·  February 10, 2006 7:26 PM

You people try to take it as joke.
If you people are not taking it as joke.
Then your religion is not worth worshiping.
Because every religion has to have two faces that is it should face advantages & disadvantages.
Advantages come in through the ages.
But disadvantages come like this(as of cartoon).

Kahaja   ·  February 10, 2006 7:27 PM

i think that the whole thing is out of line but frankly the muslims do have something to complain about because those cartoons were rude but get over it right no matter what there will always be racism in the world and we can't stop that . we are all guilty of it . but if something had been said about the jews they woulda had a frickin hernia ... it would have been ahh germans nazi's their evil after all we've been though !!!!! .....some more bullshit and they woulda made a huge fuss as well . so its not just like the muslims are the only ones that are wouldget angry at a comment/ cartoon like that

rebecca   ·  February 10, 2006 7:59 PM

assholes (you fuckin muslim bitches)

Anonymous   ·  February 10, 2006 7:59 PM

freedom of speech is a figure of speech ... the newspaper in my city is run by jewish ppl and their is no way in hell u could ever say anything about the jews is that paper ...so is that freedom of speech ?

no one could make a cartoon of the holocost because they know it was wrong and yet ppl can get away with this muslim thing?

i dunno the whole thing is stupid

EVER ONE CALM THE FUCK DOWN aiiight?

rebecca   ·  February 10, 2006 8:06 PM

whoever just wrote (assholes...fucking muslim bitches) is on crack i'm not muslim but i can stick up for them
and i can't believe ppl are actually that ignorant to be judging ppl they don't know are u from the states i wouldn't doubt it people are not normally very intelligent when they come fromt eh states

w/e -- if u don't like it
PISS ON MY GRAVE I DON'T FUCKING CARE

rebecca   ·  February 10, 2006 8:11 PM

What needs to be done here is that every day, from now until eternity, a new cartoon should be published making fun of Allah, the alleged prophet. Eventually, Muslims will get used to it. They'll calm down or self-destruct.
(You ever see "South Park" mocking Jesus? Hilarious! And no violence resulted from it.)
How ironic that the very aspect of Muslims that is being mocked by these cartoons - violent reactionism - is proven by Muslims' violent reactions to these cartoons.
Fact is this: there is no god! No matter what you call the alleged god - Allah, Jesus, Ganeesh - it's all bullshit. It's fiction.
Blasphemy is a victimless crime!

Kevin   ·  February 10, 2006 8:59 PM

"For I am the way, the truth and the life, no man comes to the Father, BUT by me." - the Son of God

I'm praying for you guys!

Truth...let's hope it finds us.   ·  February 10, 2006 9:33 PM

If your neighbour slaps you on your cheek, turn to him the other also.....

Only by your love shall they know you....

The Bible, inspired Word of God
Let's keep our true "Christian" values intact here.

Truth....let's hope it finds us.   ·  February 10, 2006 9:36 PM

Doesn't the reaction of the muslim's give credit to the cartoons?

Anonymous   ·  February 10, 2006 10:22 PM

oh my god, oh jesus lord, oh wow, you muslims are so gay, you don't believe in womens rights, you are all crazy. You only believe in machism. You know what mohammed or whatever you call it, is just some got who was high when he thought about islam and muslims and all this crap. Mohamed is just some guy who was bored and decided to create another religion, big deal the guy was a whacckooo. How can you believe in such a moron who doesn't do shit. grow up you people

jay   ·  February 10, 2006 10:42 PM

CALVIN AND HOBBES AND MUHAMMAD
by Ann Coulter
February 8, 2006

As my regular readers know, I've long been skeptical of the "Religion of Peace" moniker for Muslims for at least 3,000 reasons right off the top of my head. I think the evidence is going my way this week.

The culture editor of a newspaper in Denmark suspected writers and cartoonists were engaging in self-censorship when it came to the Religion of Peace. It was subtle things, like a Danish comedian's statement, paraphrased by The New York Times, "that he had no problem urinating on the Bible but that he would not dare do the same to the Quran."

So, after verifying that his life insurance premiums were paid up, the editor expressly requested cartoons of Muhammad from every cartoonist with a Danish cartoon syndicate. Out of 40 cartoonists, only 10 accepted the invitation, most of them submitting utterly neutral drawings with no political content whatsoever.

But three cartoons made political points.

One showed Muhammad turning away suicide bombers from the gates of heaven, saying "Stop, stop we ran out of virgins!" which I believe was a commentary on Muslims' predilection for violence. Another was a cartoon of Muhammad with horns, which I believe was a commentary on Muslims' predilection for violence. The third showed Muhammad with a turban in the shape of a bomb, which I believe was an expression of post-industrial ennui in a secular oops, no, wait: It was more of a commentary on Muslims' predilection for violence.

In order to express their displeasure with the idea that Muslims are violent, thousands of Muslims around the world engaged in rioting, arson, mob savagery, flag-burning, murder and mayhem, among other peaceful acts of nonviolence.

Muslims are the only people who make feminists seem laid-back.

The little darlings brandish placards with typical Religion of Peace slogans, such as: "Behead Those Who Insult Islam," "Europe, you will pay, extermination is on the way" and "Butcher those who mock Islam." They warn Europe of their own impending 9/11 with signs that say: "Europe: Your 9/11 will come" which is ironic, because they almost had me convinced the Jews were behind the 9/11 attack.

The rioting Muslims claim they are upset because Islam prohibits any depictions of Muhammad though the text is ambiguous on beheadings, suicide bombings and flying planes into skyscrapers.

The belief that Islam forbids portrayals of Muhammad is recently acquired. Back when Muslims created things, rather than blowing them up, they made paintings, frescoes, miniatures and prints of Muhammad.

But apparently the Quran is like the Constitution: It's a "living document," capable of sprouting all-new provisions at will. Muslims ought to start claiming the Quran also prohibits indoor plumbing, to explain their lack of it.

Other interpretations of the Quran forbid images of humans or animals, which makes even a child's coloring book blasphemous. That's why the Taliban blew up those priceless Buddhist statues, bless their innocent, peace-loving little hearts.

Largely unnoticed in this spectacle is the blinding fact that one nation is missing from the long list of Muslim countries (by which I mean France and England) with hundreds of crazy Muslims experiencing bipolar rage over some cartoons: Iraq. Hey maybe this democracy thing does work! The barbaric behavior of Europe's Muslims suggests that the European welfare state may not be attracting your top-notch Muslims.

Making the rash assumption for purposes of discussion that Islam is a religion and not a car-burning cult, even a real religion can't go bossing around other people like this.

Catholics aren't short on rules, but they couldn't care less if non-Catholics use birth control. Conservative Jews have no interest in forbidding other people from mixing meat and dairy. Protestants don't make a peep about other people eating food off one another's plates. (Just stay away from our plates that's disgusting.)

But Muslims think they can issue decrees about what images can appear in newspaper cartoons. Who do they think they are, liberals?


Anonymous   ·  February 10, 2006 11:00 PM

Where is the outrage over REAL atrocities? How do the muslim people feel about the murder of innocent children by their brothers in religion?

Anonymous   ·  February 10, 2006 11:00 PM

Why are the muslim people so consumed by hatred?

Anonymous   ·  February 10, 2006 11:13 PM

As a Muslim 'revert' I was given an Islamic name and covered form head to toe. I was forced to 'marry' a 'brother' in one of their 'wedding' ceremonies even though these Muslims live in the West they donot agree (no matter what they SAY) to the laws and Government of the country(eg Australia, UK, USA etc). Although most people don't know it, they continue to LIVE BY THEIR [ISLAMIC] laws, carrying out every letter of the law to the 'T'. I was forced to sleep on the floor like a dog and when I refused the 'brother' come 'husband' sex (because he is ALREADY MARRIED- AND COMMITTED BIGAMY but like thousands of others, he has never been proescuted and yet if an Australian man did this he would be jailed for YEARS, religion or no religion.) When I complained the Islamic Council and all the brothers and sisters TURNED ON me and threw me onto the street. I am not the only one who this happened to. AUSTRALIA YOU ARE BLIND AND YOUR IGNORANCE IS GOING TO BE THE DEATH OF YOU. You have a PRIME MINISTER WHO DOESNT GIVE A HOOT, SUPPORTING A WHEAT BOARD THAT IS PAYING MUSLIMS AND SUPPORTING THEIR MURDEROUS ACTIONS. YOU VOTE FOR HOWARD & HIS CRONIES AND YOU CANT EVEN SEE WHATS HAPPENING TO YOUR LIVES. LOOKK AT GST,LOOK AT THE DENIAL OF FREEDOM OF SPEECH, LOOK AT WHAT HE DID WHEN THE COUNTRY MARCHED AGAINST GOING TO WAR ON IRAQ-YOUR VOICE-THE VOICE OF THE PEOPLE- COUNTED AND COUNTS FOR NOTHING. THE JAPS ARE RIGHT TO MOCK AUSTRALIANS AND SAY,'YOU STUPID, AUSTRALIAN'. The Australian (S.A.) Government is even SUPPORTING SADDAM HUSSEIN'S HENCHMAN WHO IS A PARTNER TO A LOCAL POLITICIAN. YOU CANT GET UP A CANAL ANY CLOSER THAN THAT CAN YOU? WHAT DO YOU NEED TO WAKE UP? der.

Anonymous   ·  February 10, 2006 11:22 PM

The terrorists hate and feel threathened by President Bush.

The Democrats hate and feel threathened by President Bush.

THE ENEMY OF MY ENEMY IS MY FRIEND.

Terrorism and the Democrats = THE NEW ALLIANCE

Anonymous   ·  February 10, 2006 11:25 PM

im a canadian muslim and i would just like to say two wrongs dont make a right. these cartoons are obviously uncalled for and completely disrepectful to us as muslims. people wonder why some muslims become filled with rage and things like this are reasons why. instead of muslims trying to get back at the poeple who drew and support these cartoons, why not tell them your reasons for your rage. explain the meaning prophet muhammad has to you. to me, prophet muhammad is the most blessed person in history for what he did for islam. the things he went through, his courage and his bravery are what made him. instead of speaking out of rage and anger, id like to ask everyone who doesnt know about prophet muhammads life to read about it. even its a brief biography, id like people to learn about his life and what he did for islam. those who support the cartoon do not know anything about prophet muhammad and until they do, they shouldnt do or say anything. prophet muhammad was the most peaceful man who didnt believe in violence, heres a brief story which isnt detailed to show how big his heart was...one day hundreds of men women and children began to throw giant stones at muhammad because he was trying to send the message of islam, an angel came down to him and asked if he wanted the mountain to fall and kill all of the poeple who were hurting him, prophet muhammad said no,one day one of their children may become a muslim, leave them... this shows how peaceful and loving prophet muhammad was, for these cartoons to show what they show is completely disrespectful and uncalled for,so instead of supporting these pictures learn a little more about prophet muhammad and what he means to all muslims before saying anytthing because im sure after you have learned a little you will understand where we as muslims are coming from, thank you

muslim101   ·  February 10, 2006 11:33 PM

ABU BUNG

Yea he balcks can burn the Aussie flag and the Pollies do nothing, the cops do nothing, the people do nothing.
All you fools that fought under it now know it means nothing to your own Government. You now know that no-one has pride in the Aussie flag, you now know that anything that happens under it will go unnoticed and never be a crime. People will no longer be called to unite under it whether it be for war or any other reason because our stinking little Johnny cant even respect the flag letalone the lives of the Australians under it.
DO YOU REALISE THE MAJORITY OF AUSTRALIANS NEVER WANTED ASIANS, MUSLIMS OR ANY OTHERS TO COME AND LIVE IN OUR LAND?
8DOES ANYONE REMEMBER WHAT IT WAS LIKE- OUR GARDEN OF EDEN- BEFORE ALL THESE CREEPS CAME SPREADING THEIR FILTHY SEED AND RELIGIONS.
WE HAVE THE WEAKEST PEOPLE RUNNING THE COUNTRY AND UNDER THEM WE HAVE BECOME AN ENDANGERED SPECIES.
I FOR ONE AM IN NO WAY SCARED OF MUSLIMS OR ANY OTHERS, GET OUT OF OUR COUNTRY THOSE OF YOU WHO PRETEND TO BE LIVING BY OUR LAWS TO REAP THE PLENTY OF THE LAND. I KNOW YOU ARE SUPPORTING THE WORK OF HAMAS AND EVERY OTHER INTIFADA INCLUDING BIN LADEN. i KNOW THE MUSLIMS DEMAND WHATS RIGHT BY OUR LAWS BUT THEN OUR LAWS ARE NOT RECOGNISED UNDER AUSSIE LAWS. BE REAL. THEY DONT EVEN LIVE IN THE YEAR 2006.
ASK ANY MUSLIM AND HE WILL BRAIN WAS YOU WITH SUBTLE NICETIES UNTIL YOU ARE IN TOO DEEP AND ARE TOLD LIKE i WAS,
'You'd better get used to it (the call to murder, to shed blood) if you're going to be Muslim.'
A CALL FOR THE RETURN OF THE WHITE AUSTRALIA POLICY IS THE ONLY AND I SAY ONLY WAY TO GO.
BLACKS BURN AUSSIE FLAG.
WHAT WILL HAPPEN IF WHITES BURN THEIRS?
*AND THE HOWARD GOVERNMENT IS GOING TO STOP PEOPLE (WHITES ONLY) FROM SHARING CONCERNS LIKE THIS BY CALLING IT 'SEDITION' AND 'PUNISHING' US ALL WITH FEAR OF A JAIL SENTENCE. (thats TERRORISM)
WAKE UP OR BLOODY SHUT UP AND COP IT SWEET.

A buNg   ·  February 10, 2006 11:36 PM

I was having lunch today with a few friends when the Muslim cartoon topic came up. Right in the middle of it one friend of mine says to the other, "Hey Brent get that Ranch dressing off your lips you like like an extra in Broke Back Mountain.

Mitch   ·  February 10, 2006 11:40 PM

I want to point out to those who think all religions are the same root; Muhammed is from the bastard seed of Abraham and Hagar. God made a promise to Abraham and Sara, but they were impatient and tried to help God out when Sara gave her handmaid Hagar to Abraham to breed. The true seed was from Isaac, from whose line came Jesus, the son of God. THAT is the difference in Islam and Christianity. For every genuine thing, there is a fake. Sometimes the fakes are very good, and, if it were possible, even the elect would be fooled. Read your history. Muhammed was an orphan, a con man, and basically a greedy person who could not stand the thought of being poverty stricken. He fed on the ignorant, downtrodden of his race. Since the beginning of time there have been charismatic tyrants, self seeking maniacs. Remember Jim Jones? 90% truth and 10% lies equals a lie.

anna   ·  February 10, 2006 11:50 PM

lol nice way to get off topic during lunch funny joke tho i might use it sometime lol

muslim101   ·  February 10, 2006 11:51 PM

There is hope for you muslim101

Anonymous   ·  February 10, 2006 11:56 PM

lol huh??

muslim101   ·  February 10, 2006 11:59 PM

They day nobody can criticize government, religion, Kings, or any authority... is the end of civilization!
Religion has always been about controlling the masses, just like political movements they vie for ultimate power which breeds ultimate corruption. Islam and it's followers are just not able to see themselves in an unbiased reality. The are controlled and have a Koran attached to each side of their head, like horses' blinders. They are just a few centuries behind their Christian, Jewish and etc. (counterparts) It's too bad that this energy from attacking Danish Embassies is wasted and not directed at overthrowing their oppressive governments. Hey, what can you do when your state sponsored religion tells you everything else going on in your life is okay! It's the same in the U.S., when Bush continues to tell America this GOD DAM "anti" PATRIOT act is the right thing for us. If we can't question or criticize these goons, then we must have "Patriot Act Booklets" acting as our blinders. I won't be force fed any of this shit, from Islam, Christianity, or any other religion and political agenda. I choose freedom. I choose to question. I choose to criticize. Most importantly, I do the choosing, not them.

Surrounded by Idiots   ·  February 11, 2006 12:01 AM

Non-violent dialog. That's what we're talk'in bout.

Anonymous   ·  February 11, 2006 12:01 AM

well if you dont mind, i would like to point out that Australians shouldn't classify genuine "Asian Christians" as "Asians" as well.

i'm a chinese christian in singapore, and i would like to point out that christianity is genuine and Lord is God, and that we dont go about being "creeps" and spreading out seeds or whatever. Christianity is widely accepted and preached by people of all nations! :)

Jehovah jireh!

reux   ·  February 11, 2006 12:03 AM

live and let live.

cak   ·  February 11, 2006 12:31 AM

woof. woof.

allah   ·  February 11, 2006 12:35 AM

Isn't it funny that President Bush believes the same thing and that it is worth fighting for?

To Surrounded by Idiots   ·  February 11, 2006 12:36 AM

I think these cartoons are not great as you guys said! You know, you should be respectful to everyone's believes. So, this misbehavior cannot be accepted in any way. I truly understand Muslim's reaction..
And..Someone please tell me: How can you draw cartoons of Prophet Mohammad (peace be upon him) and at the same time say that you want peace in this world? Would you do that by rousing the public mind of whole Muslims?

jane   ·  February 11, 2006 12:45 AM

Ephesians 6:12 - For we are not contending against flesh and blood, but against the principalities, against the powers, against the world rulers of this present darkness, against the spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places.

Just in case any of you don't understand this verse, it is speaking to the fact that I am not fighting against you as a person....rather the spiritual forces which affect each of our lives may be in conflict.....this is why this battle can ONLY be won through prayer.....so....instead of spending hours hurling insults at one another, why don't we get on our knees....and ask our Father to please, please give us wisdom to know what to do at this time.

Truth....let's hope it finds us.   ·  February 11, 2006 12:46 AM

I will pray to GOD for the Muslim forgiveness.

Anonymous   ·  February 11, 2006 12:49 AM

I have found myself switching sides in the debate. On the one hand unnecessary provocation at a time like this. I thought it could have been taking the edginess of cartoons- the ability of them to offend and also create an issue for discussion to far. I didnt think that in this case a good productive discussion would result, so what was the point of creating such offence?

But Im beginning to think the opposite, for these reasons...
I think in the next few weeks a good discussion will actually take place. A lot of this may occur in the west and therefore be irrelevant but to the extent that western media is followed in strong muslim countries (the controversy shows it is), currents of the disscussion should make it accross national borders. The disscussion will be about why Western people associate Islam with violence and where does the responsibility for this association fall. The fact that Western people associate violence with Islam is unpalatable but undeniable. These cartoons actually express this fact and do not just mock it (An analogy could be that the person who enjoys racist jokes is in fact racist; we laugh at blonde jokes because somewhere in our hearts we believe blondes are dumb). The benefit of this discussion is that it could give greater motivation to the majority of moderate muslims to control the radical elements of the religion. So I support the cartoon because I think that there will actually be a beneficial disscussion, albeit preceeded by violence. But in my opinion this violence will set the stage for other voices to be heard and these voices will be of moderation.

The other reason I support the cartoon is a little more base. The over the top reaction to the cartoon in Iran, Syria, Lebanon etc I think does more damage to those countries than to any country that published the cartoon. I think it reveals underlying anachy in these places and the inability of their leader and security forces to control it. I should say that I am becoming a bit more confrontational in my opinions about the Islamic world - when this anarchy reaches the headlines I hide a shake of the head and arrogant smile. If the West can create riots in the Arab world just by publishing a cartoon what does this say about our power? The rioting countries are essentially fucked anyway so if the people living there want to fuck them more through creating chaos then let them. In fact maybe even watch them and use this tool to advantage. Ok I can't quite see how baiting the Muslim world would be that productive but I think we should defend the liberties we have and if the Muslim world takes offence then let them suffer in prolonged disorder.

As to whether the cartoons are offensive - yes they are offensive. As to whether they are similar to cartoons about blacks or Jews that have ceased to be published then yes to that as well. But on the other hand the divide between Islam and the West is a very current issue and shying away from it by not talking about it can only let it grow. In contrast to blacks and Jews whose complaints and protests were not heard, protests from the Islamic world are loud and clear. Like the Western world the Islamic world has media and this issue has the potential to engage it in debate.

shaggy   ·  February 11, 2006 12:57 AM

To: (To Surrounded by Idiots)

On GW Bush: Freedom is worth fighting for, just stop fighting Americans and their freedoms.

Surrounded by Idiots   ·  February 11, 2006 1:04 AM

Don't get force fed that government cheese!

And remember ketchup alone is not a vegetable.

Surrounded by Idiots   ·  February 11, 2006 1:18 AM

i have no religion, thank god!

bastard   ·  February 11, 2006 1:33 AM

how can u not have a god how can u not believe?god created u and u dont have the respect and dignity to show appreciation for your creation

person   ·  February 11, 2006 1:36 AM

I wish everyone could just stop and take a breath. There is so much hate in the world, and not enough tolerance. No one ever wants to stop and think about what can be done to make things better. Everyone is different, yet everyone's the same.

Anita, the canadian (eh   ·  February 11, 2006 1:40 AM

I wish everyone could just stop and take a breath. It seems like no one ever wants to take a minute to think about what can be done to make things better. There is so much hate in the world, and not enough tolerance. Everyone is different, yet everyone's the same. I hope in my lifetime things will change.

Anita the Canadian   ·  February 11, 2006 1:48 AM

things can easily change but people r ignorant, people think muslims r all about violence but they have no idea what we're about, our quran specifically says avoid violence and only use it in defence,things like this r what cause the hatred and anger, if people had the repect not to do things like this everyone would be better off, muslims dont go and begin random acts of hatred everything they do is because of things being done to muslims, im not syaing what they do is always the best and right thing and islam doesnt believe in killing thousnads of innocent people, but it wouldnt happen if ppl just stopped and thought about what they were doing, these cartoons r out of line and an apology should be made to all muslims

person   ·  February 11, 2006 1:54 AM

for real iv jst seen the cartoons bt theres no much fuss baout it.sory for the offence.nway move on. by killing urselves and hurting other people the mistake wont be corrected nway iwish all of u a quick recovery.

julie   ·  February 11, 2006 2:03 AM

i thank god every day that i have no religion... spirituality is cool, religion sux.

bastard   ·  February 11, 2006 2:04 AM

i am a rock. idolise me.

woof woof. bark bark.

growl.

this is my order and prophecy to my followers, be crazy extremists and destroy all non-muslims like a pack of brainless spineless fools.

go, or you shall not get your dog food tonight

BARK BARK BARK

allah the idolised lump of stone   ·  February 11, 2006 2:21 AM

here's a good idea:

let loose a pack of dogs in a MOSQUE

(that is, the filthy place where Muslims worship)

then they'll all have sinned and have to die. hopefully, that is (:

philosopher   ·  February 11, 2006 2:22 AM

regarding comments on creation by God...What makes people so sure about this?

The answer often seems to be "it says in the Quran or the Bible". But isn't this a human creation? How can the only proof that God created us be inside a human creation?

As far as is believable human imagination created these books so they are at best an educated persons point of view based on evidence at the time...

I am not going to blindly believe anyones point of view but form my own without old books. The most compelling theory of exiastence is evolution - look around you, it's everywhere.

Abdullah, Turkey   ·  February 11, 2006 2:24 AM

Philospher you comments are disgusting. Im sure you dont believe them.

shaggy   ·  February 11, 2006 2:30 AM

Thanks for the cartoons. I was searching for them to have a look. All the fuss about this??
I guess the whole problems with people is that they have lost the ability to ask : WHY?
Why religion forbids portraying momammed?
Why should one get angry upon seeing a cartoon?
Why should someone draw a figure which is bound to hurt others?

A man's maturity is determined by the amount of provocation required to make him angry. I guess, it holds for religions too. I guess religons of far east like that of hinduism show the way. These type of cartoons on their gods are a regular feature (drawn by their own people). CAn we learn something?

joe   ·  February 11, 2006 2:58 AM

Violence can only be used in defence huh... Somebody drew a few cartoons and you all defend yourselves by burning their flags, embassies and killing innocent people?
Don't see any Christians, Catholics or Buddhists on riots when there are millions of books and movies critisicing on their religion.
Shows that a lot of Muslims have low level of tolerance and are just interested in populating the world with filthy pigs like they are.

Anonymous   ·  February 11, 2006 2:59 AM

Why do muslims always talk about how shit the west is? Why the fuck did your mummy and daddy move her then? Because the paki and arab fucks are useless and cant organise a country!!!!! Please note my prejudice isn't against muslims but the majority of people from that part of the world! When new fuels are developed and the west no longer needs oil, the middle east is properly fucked! Decades from now when China invades you, who will you expect to help you? The same people you expect to help when an earthquake hits you and your country and people are to un-evolved to sort it out yourselfs, you fucking paki hypocrite BASTARDS!!!!!!!!!!

phil   ·  February 11, 2006 4:01 AM

And another thing, this doesn't mean I am pro Jewish or Israeli!!! In fact I feel the Jews are the scum of the earth and the right for the jews to exist(at all) has indirectly led to 9/11, London, Madrid, etc. Why cant we just decide we have no allies in the middle east and let them kill each other instead of us? OIL!!! We slag T Blair for going to Iraq for oil but without it how would we travel, manufacture, etc, etc. Once we find new means(and at last G Bush has realised this, the ignorant fool) of fueling cars and industry we can finally leave them to destroy each other as that is what they want, the fucking animals. Ever noticed how hairy arabs are, like apes?

phil   ·  February 11, 2006 5:31 AM

I believe as an individual that we should not depict the prophet in bad light for all the problems and violence which are being projected by Radical Muslims in the name of religion.

What the prophet has laid down is to coexist in peace and shy away from violence but is this the case the Muslim countried. The muslims wo truelly follow the teachings of the Prophet should take an active part in rooting the violent activities and propagate non violence and peaceful coexistence

but i do not support these these cartoons against the prophet or for that matter any religious entity as a freedom of speech.

We all should stand openly against violence and unscrupulous practices in our religion. This in turn will not result in these untoward incidents.

god bless the peace loving people of this world be it allah, jesus or anyone

Derick Joy   ·  February 11, 2006 6:00 AM

Can someone please clear something up for me? Is the recent outburst by the Islamic world due to depicting the prophet Mohammed or is it the way he has been depicted?

Justin   ·  February 11, 2006 6:32 AM

All these problems the world has been having since the 40's could have been solved by Adolph Hitler, but he chose the wrong race and got caught.

Dick   ·  February 11, 2006 6:41 AM

Muslims & Christians , who claim to be torch bearers of religion have got it all worng. Muslims of today have gone nuts . You guys have not understood what is humanity. Just one thing i have to tell you ' FOLLOW THE CREATOR AND NOT THE CREATION'. Follow what god's directions and not the preachings of your poes and mullahs who mis direct you guys for their personal profits, yes MONEY!!!!
If the above has no relevence , go kill yourselves and make a emptier and peaceful world to live. JAI SHREE RAM!!!

Jai Shree Ram   ·  February 11, 2006 8:01 AM

Dear writers,
you are a bunch of ignorant intolerant people, you need not hide behind an intelligent writer's mask, go READ some books to get REAL information!
The alienation of muslims today is no different than the alienation of jewish people in europe during the 30's, & u all know what hapened to that!
so be tolerent & understanding instead of putting oil on fire so ignorantly!

the first word Mohamed heard form God (reportedly from Qoran) is : READ,
so how about you go do it yourselves!

Yaz from Paris   ·  February 11, 2006 8:47 AM

Yaz,
I am in my final year at one of the best Universities in the UK studying Mechanical Engineering with Aeronautics, I assure you I can and do read. Muslims(in the uk anyway) alienate themselves by choice and to be honest I am sick of being told how shit the west is, I didn't ask anyone to come here and blow us up! It is nothing like what happened during the haulocaust, in fact pakis are more racist towards whites than vice versa you fucking french frog!!!!!

Phil   ·  February 11, 2006 9:00 AM

Also,
Whilst we are talking about the second world war, if it wasn't for the uk you would be speaking German, and if it wasn't for the US I would be, which is why the UK supported the US in Iraq, a thing called courtesy, or balls. Every french fuck i have met is an arrogant bastard so I assume you are too. The reason france didn't support the war with Iraq is due to
deals they had with Saddam for powewr stations, if you took your own advice and read you would know this you chicken shit french ignorant frog fuck!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Phil   ·  February 11, 2006 9:05 AM

its NOT about religion anyway dudes, lets stop talking in terms of Muslims, Christians, Jews etc and the Evil of their beliefs. People make war and kill and incite hatred behind a guise of 'religion' and 'beliefs' and 'faith' but they really do it bacause they're hatred-fuelled asses. Lets stop blaming religion: every faith is open to interpretation and all views can be contrasted and contradicted in the Bible, Quran etc. People interpret religious teachings as their own prejudices and bias dictate. If you're a sick-minded individual, you'll happily use any religion as an excuse to go out and insult, attack and kill others. So lets start blaming the PERSON instead of the religion they follow(or the country they live in). That goes for every nasty little comment by all religion-followers in here to. Some comments posted are totally disgusting and out-dated.
Sniff.
Why can't we all just get along and renounce our sick prejudice attitudes? Hmm?

voice of reason   ·  February 11, 2006 9:09 AM

whether covered by American constitution free speech or not clauses, uh...these cartoons were published in DENMARK. now i know americans SUCK at geography and are barely aware that there IS a 'rest of the world' that doesnt include them...but they do know that denmark is in EUROPE, not AMERICA...and so the contitution doesn't apply there. I mean, you do KNOW that, right? RIGHT???

I Despair...   ·  February 11, 2006 9:19 AM

voice of reason,
I totally agree that its the people not the religion, the problem is that young impressionable people are led to believe by religious authorities that they have a religious duty to hate the whites, the only religion however that successfully does this is Islam, I have nothing against the religion in fact Ive read alot of the Quran through interest. What needs to be done is all people who are imigrants and even sympathise slightly with religious hatred be sent home. We need to make a stand and get our countries back! We are being treated like mugs, we were good enough to allow them to live in our free society, HOW DARE THEY BELIEVE THEY HAVE A JUSTIFIED REASON TO HATE US!!!!!!!!

phil   ·  February 11, 2006 9:24 AM

Yo Phil, we(UK) supported America in the Iraq war for OIL, not for some moral obligation to Americans, and for that matter the vast majority of our country didnt even support the war. Blair's just a part American ass-kisser and part Over-British freak who still wants to colonise all foreign countries like we did a hundred years ago to strip them of their resources and personal freedoms: OIL especially. Over-aggressive self-involved nations, (in particular America with UK and Europe coming in 2nd) are everyones biggest problem and the reason for all the problems in the world 2day.
DU-UH.
Would've thought som1 all 'Up The West' would support French people anyway- after all, us western nations need 2 stick 2gether if we want 2 dominate and subvert all other countries in the world for our own benefit and keep on driving our cars and surfing the net while millions of impoverished people starve to death every day.

Yay BNP!!..snigger...NOT   ·  February 11, 2006 9:36 AM

Hey yay, glad to speak to a fellow brit, although im scottish so im better than you.
Yeah TBlair went for economic growth, not just oil, but what i mean is that although i am against the war to be honest, because people died over a lie, I think we need to decide whose side we are on. I have spoken to so many people who are anti american, in fact most of my family are, all I am saying is that we shouldn't forget what they did for us in WW2. If we didn't have oil, our country and the world would crumble. My need for oil hasn't killed anyone, in fact the Q'uran states a Jihad is legal if someone threatens your livliehood, and the Bin Ladens are multi Billionaires by trading oil with the USA, the same country he attacked in 2001, hence he commited an illegal Jihad and acoording to the Q'uran, he will burn in hellfire(translated from Arabic)

Phil   ·  February 11, 2006 9:52 AM

"Without religion, good people would do good things and bad people would do bad things, but it takes religion to make good people do bad things."

dawkins   ·  February 11, 2006 9:55 AM

Dawkins,
no offence mate but that is a load of pish! Religion doesn't "make" good people do bad things, bad people use religion to claim they are justified.

Phil   ·  February 11, 2006 9:58 AM

PS, yay BNP,
If you look at my posts afew back youll see I already sayed that we did it for oil!

Phil   ·  February 11, 2006 10:03 AM

phil, those are the evil people doing evil things, but for good people to do evil things, it takes religion

dawkins   ·  February 11, 2006 10:13 AM

I am not Muslim but my comments on this coming from Canada is that these cartoons should have never been published on any paper in any western country. In the Muslim faith it is forbiden to publish a picture of Mohamed and in that it should not have been published. But it seems a Danish paper was stupid enough to publish it and then have the nerve to say it is freedom of speech. I didn't know that hatered toward around 2 billion of the earth's people would fall into that catagory, sounds like Denmark has no values and for that i think the worlds people should keep a boycot of all Denmark products untill the world gets a real appology and action against the paper who published the cartoons. See in Canada we have a constitution that states you cannot discriminate against religion, race or sexual orientation. These cartoons are definataly discriminating against the Muslim faith. Any one displaying them for example a professor in a Halifax university should be charged under the constitution for spreading hatered because that is what the cartoons depict. Anyone saying this is fredom of speech they are mistakenly wrong this is hatered in it's true form. Exp. You couldn't make a picture of Jesus getting a blowjob from a little boy and publish it that would be labling the Christian faith as child molesters because you know there is quite a few of them in the Catholic church. So this is no different than how these cartoons depict all Muslims, as suiside bomers, terroists and that is not true. There are many good people in the Muslim world and these cartoons just label them all bad and that is wrong. To the violence that is happening around the world over this should push westren govnerments to condem these cartoons and punish those who publish it. It doesn't have to be jail time but fines large ones.

Rod   ·  February 11, 2006 10:14 AM

And yay BNP,
I am now annoyed because you havent respnded.
You are one of the ultimate hypocrites. If you feel that I am so terrible for driving my car and surfing the web, then why are you on the web, why dont you move to the middle east and do charity work you FUCKING HYPOCRITE! I bet you are english you ignorant fuck. Most posts I have read, i realise i wouldnt like the person that wrote them, there are 10% of those though that are from people i could respect. Im 23 and a stoner student at that, god help our country, please excuse the pun.

Phil   ·  February 11, 2006 10:17 AM

Rod,
please allow it to be noted that i do not disagree with your view at all, the main grievance i have is with hypocracy. How can someone (yay BNP guy) come on the web and have a go at me for 'surfing the web' and using oil whilst others die. He is a hypocrite, this is what is up with the world today. I would however say that i would happily refrain from not publishing pictures of the prophet if muslims agree not to try to kill me, however i know lots of muslims and they half admit some sort of sympathy with islmist terrorists.

Phil   ·  February 11, 2006 10:23 AM

freedom of speech - idiots

Anonymous   ·  February 11, 2006 11:36 AM

Mohammid was a false prophet who's only virgin was a pig

me   ·  February 11, 2006 11:53 AM

the wildly held concept that god is of one religion or another shows how backward our species is. god did not start religions, people have. there is a post above by 'no religion' that expresses it well. belief in god and the practices that go with it is a very personal thing. it is pure conceit to think that in this vast universe there is a 'god' being that favors one people over another, one army over another, one sports team over another.

jay vaaz   ·  February 11, 2006 12:06 PM

WOW! I finally got to see the cartoons. They didn't print them here in the U. S. It's amazing what some ink and paper can do to humans. Instead of simply getting mad, they should get even. If everyone who is 'religious' is so religious, why call people out and destroy flags? This is just about one cartoonist who expressed him/herself the best way s/he knew how--through pictures. It was not Denmark, it was a Dane. So don't hate whole cultures just because of one person's action or belief. I am an American, and yes, I think our boys and girls should come home. We don't need to be meddling in the affairs of others, when we have out own problems. But I am just one person. So don't hate me. Don't group all of the US UK and Europe against 'everyone else'. We always have and always will be treading on each others' sensitivities. The sooner we understand that, the sooner we can get on with our lives.

ko   ·  February 11, 2006 12:34 PM

a crucifix in urine. i don't recall anyone rioting then.

karen   ·  February 11, 2006 12:38 PM

F U muslims.
Stay in your country and do not try to make the rest of the world the way you are.

Kike   ·  February 11, 2006 12:39 PM

There some things non-muslims don't understand about muslims:
Respecting the personality of our prophet and any other prophet for that matter is part of our belief system. We cannot satirize the prophet, that means we will be satirizing our belief. That is why we feel so pained by these publications. Other people can mock their prophets and call it freedom of speech but it doesn't apply to us muslims and the non muslims should try to understand that. The muslims love peace but cannot bargain with our beliefs in the name of freedom of speech. Thank you. Hamzat (Nigeria)

hamzat   ·  February 11, 2006 12:43 PM

"Stupid is as stupid does," Forest Gump. Some idiot prints a cartoon - stupid. Thousands of idiots decide to burn, threaten to decapitate and otherwise kill people who had nothing to do with the cartoon - STOOOOPID!

Rob   ·  February 11, 2006 12:48 PM

im a young muslim myself and i have to say that i think these cartoons are so unbelievably disrespectful and unnecessary. i think that all those protesting and going to the extremes that they are, are even more stupid and are giving people more ammunition to speak badly of our religion. it is meant to be one of tolerance. all of you muslims who arre threatening to kill people and all of u from other faiths who are finding these cartoons humorous and are speaking badly of muslims need to go and read the Quran and learn of the religion and that it definitely isnt a bad one. i was born and raised in Britain and would never protest in such a way. its stupid an ridiclous and wont get us anywhere. i wud also like to say that if the cartoons were mocking the jewish faith or christian faith then there wud be a lot more protesting going on and ppl would be more outraged. its only because its the muslim faith that things are turning out like they are

Anonymous   ·  February 11, 2006 1:03 PM

HAMZAT
SO PLEASE TELL ME WHY 9/11, LONDON, MADRID
ETC, ETC, HAPPENED THEN YOU EVIL FUCKS

Phil   ·  February 11, 2006 1:05 PM

so sad to waste so much time on religion. These leaders of acient cults are dead and gone and even though they may of have done great things in the past it is now time to move on and for everbody today to get with the program.

RELIGION or SCIENCE ???

dj tiesto   ·  February 11, 2006 1:27 PM

SOMEONE CALL DR.PHIL!!!

oprah   ·  February 11, 2006 1:31 PM

Muslims. Why do you sport such a confrontational attitude? Non believers of islam are branded kafirs or infidels . Who are you to decide what I should believe? Educated and well-to-do muslims say there should be peaceful demonstrations against the cartoons and no angry bouts of violence. But these educated fuckers themselves take secret delight in whatever is happening. You are all the same - educated or otherwise - inhuman barbarians, misfits in the modern society. Fastest growing religion ... just in terms of numbers; but what about growth in maturity and broad-mindedness ? Despite such narrow-mindeness, intolerance and violent, oppressive and inhuman traits, you've surived so long becoz your lands have oil. Once the oil is over, you'll all go to hell ...no virgins there, so fuck each other ! Hitler chose the wrong people ... he shud've fucked u !

A Hindu   ·  February 11, 2006 2:05 PM

Stupid, Stupid Muslims...
So, How's that workin' for ya?

Fred Flinstone   ·  February 11, 2006 2:15 PM

Cant we all get along? we already have a short time to live on earth, why dont we all enjoy this short time allocated to us? come on people. Let us use our brains.

Trice   ·  February 11, 2006 2:33 PM

wtf i dont get muslims.they come to our country to get away from all there fukin rituals then they blow our country up again. i fink its cus theyve ran out of places to blow up in there country. and y the fuk r thry gettin in a spaz bout the muhammed thing, and bout beheading us all, well they can go fuk themselves and everyone who is with me put ur name as RRR(then your name)

RRRRichard   ·  February 11, 2006 2:41 PM

For the man with the Abraham, Hagar comment. Abraham begat two nations one with Sarai (Sarah) and the other with her maiden (egyptian slave) called Hagar. We know that Sarah gave Hagar to Abraham because of her inability to bear him an offspring. She asked Abraham to try to have children with Hagar. Sarah grew jealus after Abraham bedded Hagar. Sarah casted Hagar away from her site. An The angel of the Lord said to Hagar to go back to Sarah, that she was with child and to name that child Ishmael (later blessed by God when Abraham, through Sarah's wishes casted him and his mother into the wilderness). It happened just like that.

Hagar was told by the angel of the Lord that she was going to bear a great nation from a wild man. This nation shall be at war with every man and every man against him. For the athiest I think these guys had a heck of a time machine or something!! Boy could they predict the future!!
Well God told Abraham that Sarah was with child and that the child's name should be Isaac. Abraham did as the Lord commanded. God commands Abraham to circumcise all the males of his house. Among the Males was his son of thiteen years old Ishmael. Ishmael was also circumcised. This same text is found in Muslim and Jewish teachings.

Well Isaac was born and God made a covenant with him that his seed would be the blessed seed. Jesus Christ does come from this seed, through the Israeliets, called Jews today. He came to us through a virgin from the our heavenly God. Hey who is to say that the same wisdom that created the known universe is not the same wisdom that knew how to artificially inciminate a woman. For the record I'm not claiming that God is an alien!

God told Abraham that he would surely be a great an mighty nation and that all the nations of the earth shall be blessed in him. Jesus Christ is the blessing which Abraham has given us.
Now this is written in three books of scriptures. Guess which ones?

The person who said that Christians worship Jesus. Cristians worship God. In the book of Genesis, God has a spirit and a voice. We know that because his spirit was over the waters. The Christian faith claims that Jesus was the voice of God. Jesus himself said I am the Alpha and the Omega, begining and end. There are not very many people can say that! He said that without him, creation would have not taken place. Therefore, God is made up of a spirit a voice and the Father or the creator or the energy which lives within all of us, one God three different parts. However, Jesus never said to worship him Jesus said that in order to reach the Father (God) it had to be done through him. Believing in him and praying through him you can reach God the Father.

I hope this is a good explanation.
History has been a real problem for all of us. We all have differences and we have learned to bypass these differences in the past. Some mention Hitler, others who knows? I will tell you this. We have been at battle with each other for eons. I'm not blessed to lead this world on a crusade to end all crusades and bring peace to our planet. I think a religious war in the 21st century is quite a waste. it is a waste of life. Someone said in this forum that God loves all of his children, I agree. God love all because if he didn't he would have never blessed Ishmael thus through Ishmael God gave us an other great nation.
The West is not your enemy the cartoons are not your enemy, the cartoonist is not your enemy... he just thought for a moment that he was going to be clever. You however, have no right to in the name of Muhammed create a ficticious enemy and a ficticious cause. If you as Muslims in the 21st century can not understand the position which you have placed yourselves in front of the eyes of the world then nevermind a peaceful existance. No one knows how to help you.

The same way that some have appologised for their acts I belive you need to appologize publically to the entire world community by appearing in front of the U.N. and have all of the Muslim nations appologize. Sounds stupid but it is a start.

You need to stop killing innocent people. Never mind what others are doing elsewhere. There is no justification. I hope you realise that in Irack you are killing more Muslims than infidels. The world is calling the radicals terrorist... THEY ARE MURDERERS no better than those that came before them, Hitler, Stallin, Fidel Castro, Hasbalah, Che Guevara, Osama, Kahn, Vlad The Impaller, The Roman Catholic church through the inquisition need I say more? They all either have or had their causes. I do believe along with many others that these guys aren't or were not all there!

Here's a challenge for you. The real Muslims should take up the cause of peace and bring it to the doorsteps of those which are perpetrating these horrific acts of murder in the name of Allah. Once you do that then bring all to justice. I know that the West needs to do something for you to do that! All the army barracks, ships both cevillian and armed forces. Innocent children, innocent men (both muslim and infidels). The Twin Towers, Embasies, airplanes with passengers, Mosques in Irack and around the world, etc. The blood of the innocent is in your hands and not in ours. If the inocent are being killed by us is because someone has instigated us to react. Read the blog from the cartoon and the law. This goes for the entire world. If you treat me with respect I shall in turn treat you equally. However, if you treat me with disrespect and prejudice I too shall treat you equally. This you understand. As a Christian I am to turn my cheek and allow anyone to disgrace me. But as a man, flesh and blood I'll remind you that there is only so much a camel can bear and when you take him beyond his capacity to reason they shall turn on you! The problem is that you think that this mild and timmid West is weak and can not stand up to real men like you. You are in no position to call these radicals real men. They hide behind their women and children. They have no respect for life yours or mine. They are worst than animals.

If there are people out there that think as I do, please drop a line. Muslim, Jew, Christian or other. We need peace! Specially now!

P.S.... no spell check! bummer!

Jog   ·  February 11, 2006 3:09 PM

If I have to read about the "religion of peace" from Muslim apologists anymore I'm going to be sick. If Islam is such a religion of peace then why is it that virtually every armed conflict in the world today involves Muslims who can't get along with their neighbors or even each other?

Why is Islam the only religion that even has a word for holy war?

Why isn't there a word that means, "compromise" in the arabic language?

Mohammad was a false prophet! He founded his "religion" essentially to counter Judism and Christianity, who's central figure was a Jew. His goal was to create an "Arab" religion with himself as the "Arab" prophet.

Islam has never been embraced, it has only conquered by the sword. Is there any other religion that declares it is the duty of it's followers to convert or kill the non-believers? I have't found one.

If you people want to continue to live in the dark ages feel free but don't think we are going to follow you.

Hopefully the European countries who are experiencing these protests will realize that your socialized welfare state is a failure and will eventually be your downfall.

Mulisms will exploit your systems and erode it from within while taking advantage of your inherrent decensy that they do not share.

Finally, to Yaz from Paris. Understand nobody respects France. You are a bunch of pompous arses who think they know everything but in reality no nothing. You folded in WW1 in about 20 minutes. Then in WW2 you pretty much did the same thing. The last time the French people had a good enough reason to fight it was rolling through Paris in a German tank. Don't expect us to come to your rescue when the Muslims take over and turn Notre Dame into a Mosque you pussies.

Jason   ·  February 11, 2006 3:18 PM

all u ppl out there who hate islam and muslims think of ur self first that girl is saying lol and that fucked up ppl think its just a lie mohamed god bless you!! i say anyone got a problem !! well i would just like to say ameen may the ppl who are fucked up go to hell "AMEEN"!=)

the muslima   ·  February 11, 2006 3:21 PM

A couple of hundred years ago, Thomas Jefferson wrote that "But it does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods or no God. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg."

Today, most Westerners (at least) accept religious and political diversity of opinion, and may expect to be offended at times as the price of living in a reasonably free society.

Recent events surrounding the cartoons demonstrate that many Muslims feel compelled to silence their critics. Death threats in response to cartoons rather clearly undermine any claims that Islam is a religion of peace. The examples on this board clearly show that other religions have not (recently) resorted (so readily) to violence to defend their belief structure from outside criticism.

As another site proclaims, "We Are All Danes Now."

Observer   ·  February 11, 2006 3:33 PM

if islam is against sex b4 marriage den y on earth wud u get 91 virgens 4 bombing innocent lives! i fink u shud all stop listning 2 the words from president bush, jews and danes hu arnt even muslim and just read an english version of the quran! just do it n u will al realise how rong u r

muslim   ·  February 11, 2006 3:34 PM

So far ,the situation looks to me as a debate between two deaf parties.There is a gap of misunderstanding between them.Muslims must introduce peacefully who Muhammad was and reasonable refute what he was not.That should be the end of it.

arafat elashi   ·  February 11, 2006 3:36 PM

Respect and tolerance!!!, we dont all have to believe alike, but can we show some human decency and common courtesy and stop the madness.

Anonymous   ·  February 11, 2006 3:39 PM

fuck you all

Anonymous   ·  February 11, 2006 3:49 PM

One thing I have to say is that alot more people died from bombs from the ever so STUPID GEORGE W. BUSH than the amount of Americans that died in 9/11 maybe its time for Americans to get out of the Muslim world and let them live their lives the way they want. That is what started these bull shit terroist groups anyway. America needs to learn how to help themselves before they go screwing around with other countries...KATRINA!!!!

rod   ·  February 11, 2006 3:58 PM

"Religion will be the downfall of the civilized world."
Maybe. Who was it that made that rather intriguing post aout a universal, UN sponsored religion? It wouldn't be based on anything that was already done and would truly unite the people... How long before such a concept was degraded into factions, cults and sects and the whole mess started all over again? Still, I rather like the idea for those of us who eschew the fantasy of religion to indulge our spiritual exercise (or in the case of sadisticon; psycho-sexual spiritual impulses).
You post-ers have too much time on your hands, that can't be a good thing.
Do behave yourselves, children, if I catch you, Daddy spank!

sadisticon   ·  February 11, 2006 4:15 PM

now we jump from cartoons to American's?

Jog   ·  February 11, 2006 4:19 PM

Guys, guys ...

I finally got a copy of the newspaper delivered and saw the cartoons in question. Frankly, I find them quite funny and I do not see what the fuss is all about. I showed them to Jesus (who is right here with me on the right hand side of Allah a.k.a. G_d) and he totally agrees with me.

Besides, the guy in the cartoons does not even look like me. How could you have forgotten that when I walked on earth, I was black-skinned and kept my beard trimmed ?

Forthermore, this rumor that we are running out of virgins is completely untrue. As with everything in Heaven, they are in endless supply, and of the most refined quality. Don't you know that most women go to Heaven, whereas only one out of 10 men makes it there?

However, candiate suicide bombers and journalist murderers beware - if you kill, you will not be getting any of that (see the Word of G_d). In fact, you will be going straight to the Other Side, where the first thing Satan does to new arrivals is to have them assfucked by Stalin, Khomeiny, General Jeff Davis and many famous baptist preachers and congressmen who got the surprise of their life when the passed on.

Anyway, try to keep it a bit more quiet (and try to keep the CO2 levels down too) because G_d is getting a bit tired of all that noise coming from our good old planet...

Love,
Muhammad, son of Abraham, son of Adam, son of Glorious G_d

http://www.heaven.org/muhammad.html

Muhammad   ·  February 11, 2006 4:27 PM

I think god is great enough that he doesn't need Muslims(or anyone)to fight for him, if they fight and say it is for him they are insulting his greatness.

IS4ME   ·  February 11, 2006 4:43 PM

You ever notice people tend to get upset over inconsequential things when they are convinced they have no control over their own lives?

Lucy van Pelf: Think about posterity!

Linus van Pelf: Twenty years from now who's going to know?

Alan Kellogg   ·  February 11, 2006 5:00 PM

I think people are forgetting the real reason behind all this hoopla If George Bush hadnt started the war in Iraq; a lot of this would not have come about. Its only the recent proliferation of evens since the War on Terror that the term Suicide bomber became a household word and as is evident, hundreds of innocent lives have been taken in the name of Allah. It was only a matter of time before the Muslim world would feel the eventual stress and strain imposed on them. These cartoons are just the inevitable beginning. Thank you Mr. President!

With Bushs plan to democratize the Middle East, came the idea that they would embrace the American way of life and eventually Christianity would gain a foot-hold in the region. If anything, the complete opposite is taking place. We are now stuck in a quagmire with no way out in site. Thanks again Mr. President!

Concerned Citizen   ·  February 11, 2006 5:09 PM

All this chatter about religion brings to mind the agnostic's prayer, "Oh god, if there is a god, save my soul, if I have a soul!"

Beowulf   ·  February 11, 2006 5:26 PM

I am not a dane, but if I was i would be proud to be one,I think that moderate muslims would take the joke too, seems that the trouble is being sturred up by the fanatics. They must not forget, we do what we like with the law of our own country

andy   ·  February 11, 2006 5:33 PM

Concerned Citizen,

Give me a break. Blaming President Bush for the, "hoopla" is a complete joke. Are you forgetting the events of 9/11? The 1991 bombing of the WTC? The Iranian hostage crisis in the late 70s? The USS Cole bombing? The African embassy bombings? The plane in Scotland that was blown up? Not to mention the homicide bombings in Israel over the past few DECADES!

Muslims have been the root of terrorism for the past 30 years!

THAT IS WHAT STARTED THE WAR ON TERROR YOU IDIOT. 9/11 JUST BROUGHT IT TO A HEAD!

Those poor Muslims who made the choice to hijack planes and fly them into our buildings are to blame for actions taken against them.

Have you ever heard of a Muslim missionary? A Muslim charity that sought to help anyone other than other Muslims? Or for that matter any Muslim leader who is an example to live up to? I sure have never seen one.

Jason   ·  February 11, 2006 5:37 PM

anyone who serves a false god is going tho have problems. problems with society, pride issues,ect.. if muhamad is a decendent of ismael, then he would be the son of abraham, and abraham was a hebrew,,, so dont that make muhamad a hebrew or a jew??? it dont make any sence.. there is soo much contradiction in the things he wrote, how can anyone honestly follow him?? if they actually made a study of the religion, they would see all the faults. but then again, the bible says
"God has given them over to their own form of godliness because they have rejected his". it is nothing new to make a religion that is suitable to how they want to live, it has been going on since teh old testiment. just remember what happend to those who served the false god baal,, God proved himself to them and then God told Elijah to kill them.. Our God is a God of mercy and grace, but he is a jealous God, and there will be no other gods befor him..
the nice thing about God, is he forgives, and he gives you a chance to change. There is salvation through Jesus. yea i said Jesus, the CHRIST the son of the living God. mohamad said that Jesus was a prophet,, that alone shows he was wrong,, because Jesus called himself the son of God, so one of 2 things is true, either he was crazy or he was truely the son of GOD.
so which one does muhamad say he is??
come on now.. this is not rocket science. i just hope (as a christian) that the nation of islam turns from their false god and trusts Jesus as their savior.. and just so you know it is Gods will that all should go to heaven. that is why he sent his only beggoten son to die on the cross and rise again overcoming death.
hell is a real place, and its not going to be a place to party like some think.
and it is true, if you dont accept Jesus as your savior and repent to God for your sins, you will for sure go to hell. but hell was never made for us, it was made for satan and his followers. where do you want to spend eternity? i am going to be in heaven, i hope to see you there.

Norb   ·  February 11, 2006 5:51 PM

They cry over a cartoon. why not the innocent deaths at 9/11, or the beheadings, or blowing up the innocents with bombs. The Islam Allah met with Satan in the desert. That is why there is so much hate from them. I do admire the Iraqi's though. They risked their lives to vote for freedom while 67% of americans stayed home. So a cartoon gives them the right to kill? I say bring it on and come and fight like a man instead of hiding behind the masks, and innocent that you capture, torture then behead. Gutless dogs you islamic freaks you are! You don't fight in the open, you use bombs while you pray and think your Satan will help you. To you Iraqi's. Fight for your freedom, do show the world some islam countries really do want a chance for thier freedom. Kill those insurgents who want to steal your freedom.

Lars   ·  February 11, 2006 5:59 PM

All this childish hatred over a silly cartoon. Excuse me please, but a child can act more grown up then some whining, snivelling bunch of little cry babies over some cartoon that doesn't mean diddly squat. If the people who are so offended over that cartoon would stop and realize how ignorant they were, they would just turn the other cheek and let it go. But no, they found another little speck of sand to get mad, angry, hateful, kill over and yet even find someway to blame someone so they can have an excuse kill over. What kind of love do you call that?
Grow up and take your medicine like a man. Or are you just so much better than everyone else that all you can do is dish out much more hatred over such a childish, foolish meant for nothing cartoon.
Give me a break, you are not anything near Holy let alone perfect, any more than me.
You are acting just like a spoiled little child who cries over something that means nothing at all.
And You people have even sided yourselves with the devil himself because he is the one who maims, kills, destroys and murders over such petty things.
And just like the Pharisee's and the Sadducees in the Bible..."you will swallow a Camel, but yet you will choke on a Gnat".
If the cartoon makes you so mad over such a silly idea, then you have no forgiveness in your heart and you are so much worse off then you was before the cartoon even came out.
One more thing....how many times have you mocked someone over their belief? Or yet wanted to kill, maim, murder, destroy by suicide bomb missions?
You hypocrites, your suicide missions hold nothing over this silly cartoon, do they?
So, if going to heaven meant being rewarded with 10 Virgins...I am sorry, but I won't be going there. I am not a male whore for one. And two, my reward in heaven is about love, not sex.

Christian   ·  February 11, 2006 6:04 PM

Jason,

I am merely pointing out the fact that the reason these events are in our face right now is because terrorism is at an all-time high, as a direct result of the Iraq war. Im not as big an IDIOT as you might think, because what I stated was neither foolish nor stupid. Obviously you think I am sympathizing with the terrorists this is clearly not the case. For you to lump all Muslims in with terrorists is not fair on your part either. I have worked with many of them and they are decent hard working people just trying to get through life like the rest of us.

As Im sure you are well aware, the increased suicide bomb attacks (averaging close to one per week) are occurring mostly in Iraq a part of the Middle East that was previously not within the scope of most suicide bombings. The fact that the 911 terrorists were Saudis and not Afganis, Pakistanis or Iraqis gives rise to why the war on terror began were it did. Naturally Bush went after al-Qaeda and Ben Laden, because it would be impossible for him to go after the real terrorists, because of his ties to the Saudi royal family. Also the terrorist attacks within the last 30 years were minimal compared to the rash of bombings with in the last three years and occurring presently in Iraq and other parts of the world. I also blame Bush and the Iraq war for the terrorist bombing in London but thats a whole other topic.

So I think its fair to link the cartoons to the US presence in the Middle East. This in turn puts Muslims in the spot light more now than ever. I dont condone the violence or the riots by any means.

Concerned Citizen   ·  February 11, 2006 6:48 PM

THIS WEBSITE IS NOT EVEN WORTH WRITING IN. MOST OF THE PEOPLE WHO POST COMMENTS ARE THE MOST INTOLERABLE BEINGS TO EVER WALK THE FACE OF THIS EARTH. YOUR TIME WILL COME. SHOW SOME RESPECT TO ALL FAITHS. KARMA'S A BITCH.

ROXY   ·  February 11, 2006 7:21 PM

THIS WEBSITE IS NOT EVEN WORTH WRITING IN. MOST OF THE PEOPLE WHO POST COMMENTS ARE THE MOST INTOLERABLE BEINGS TO EVER WALK THE FACE OF THIS EARTH. YOUR TIME WILL COME. SHOW SOME RESPECT TO ALL FAITHS. KARMAS A BITCH.

ROXY   ·  February 11, 2006 7:21 PM

...and I thought people were afraid to voice thier opnions since this started.

Anonymous   ·  February 11, 2006 7:43 PM

My God! If the muslims could learn to spell, punctuate, and string words together into a coherent sentence, they would be able to rule the world.

However, I have looked into the future.
With all their ignorance and lack of education, by the year 2015, Allah and all of his hordes will defeat God and all of his followers and will rule both the Christian and Muslim worlds.
Why? Because his followers have been brainwashed and will fanatically die for their cause. Christians will be unwilling to die for their cause or resort to the extreme means necessary to defeat the enemy.

But, don't lose hope. In 2021, the hordes in Asia with nothing to lose, except excess people, will completely eradicate the Muslim evil.

Mark your calendars. This will come to pass.

Polymath   ·  February 11, 2006 7:44 PM

Murder in the heart does NOT please God. Of course, the devil likes it!!!

Anonymous   ·  February 11, 2006 8:51 PM

Don't they understand that this ridiculous reaction and rioting os just reinforcing the validity of the cartoons?

SUNOVABEECH   ·  February 11, 2006 10:00 PM

If you are Western and think the cartoons were offensive say so...if you are Muslim and think reacting to the cartoons with violence is wrong say so. All debates otherwise are useless and lead to more misunderstanding.

Reed   ·  February 12, 2006 12:04 AM

The Danes are no fools. They are hoping to inflame Muslims to the point that they will go beyond boycotting Danish goods and leave Denmark in protest thereby boycotting the whole country. Unfortunately for the naieve Danes it won't work and Muslims will just hold their noses and sneak into the country any way they can.

R Lock   ·  February 12, 2006 12:18 AM

What the fuck is the problem with these cartoons?? If a fucking cartoon is enough to make you kill, then you have some fucking serious issues..the least of which is a cartoon making fun of a prophet. So let me get this straight; it is ok to crash an airplane into a building and kill over 3000 people, it is ok to call for the destruction of "infidel" Americans and Jews and to print disgusting cartoons defaming Christianity and other religions in your own newspapers, but God forbid anyone else do it to you. You fucking scum radical muslims can take your fucking prophet Mohammed and shove him up your ass right after I piss on him.

Smart Ass American   ·  February 12, 2006 12:38 AM

Concerned Citizen, i'm sure, has good intentions in trying to find the root of the problem by trying to place the blame on Bush for the actions terrorists around the world, but I simply do not believe he has considered another viewpoint.

Wahhabism, which has its origins in Saudi Arabia, calls for the ressurection of the Caliphate. bin Laden has tried several times to draw the U.S. into a war in the middle east by attacking embassies and such. this, he hoped, would be seen by all peoples of Islam as a crusade of a Christian nation against Islam.
Al Qaeda, meaning "The Base", and the Taliban, meaning "Students", were created to facilitate the resurrection and governance of the Caliphate. And ofcourse at the head of it all was bad boy bin Laden. He would be the hero, a modern prophet called by Allah to bring this about.

Understand, bin Laden's plan wasn't to conquer the U.S. outright. It was to expose the dependence of the secular run governments and corrupt theocracies in the Arabian countries on the United States, and collapsing those governments to bring under the rule of Al Qaeda. Thus we would have the beginnings of the resurrection of the Caliphate.

Let me explain, bin Laden knew the United States would, at best, half heartedly fight if they were to fight at all. As soon as the U.S. bled, they would give-up, turn-tail, and go back home like the paper tigers they've come known to be (vietnam, mogadishu, beirut, etc...). So, by outlasting the Americans, bin Laden would gain legitimacy and unending reverance from the Muslim populace. bin Laden would use this against the corrupt governments of mid-east and seize control.

Clinton and his advisors understood what was happening and decided to not reply militarily. After 9/11 this all changed. bin Laden got his war, but miscalculated on a number of things. The U.S. response was far greater than he imagined, but he has become a legend and his mission of restoring the Caliphate lives on and has put hope in many millions of Muslims that it will come to pass.

The outrage of the cartoons is a psychological tool to galvanize the Muslim people through blind anger and rage. This is the usual method they use since anger is so effective a tool and a seemingly culurally staple of the Islamic world.

Iran on the otherhand has not love for the Wahhabites, but use the same ploy for their own political efforts - inciting hatred against the west in order use the people to protect their nuke program. Iran doesn't want to see a new Caliphate. They want to dominate the region for themselves and the only thing standing in the way is the United States. Iraq has fallen and is crumbling, so Iran, for the first time in their history, is in prime position to realize their dominance in the region.

My point is, dear Concerned Citizen, you are simply under-informed about the complexity of what is going on in the world. Your simple Bush hate speech is just that, Simple. And there is nothing simple about the state of foreign affairs.

Sinjun   ·  February 12, 2006 1:10 AM

every dead muslim now lives in hell--- every alive muslim is going there

john   ·  February 12, 2006 1:46 AM

I think that all religions only prove
weaknes of peoples mind...
Ateism is best way to live ,it is my choise.I dont belive any gods or prophets.Only thing i trust is myself.

ateist   ·  February 12, 2006 2:35 AM

The Muslim reaction to the cartoons is kind of proving them (the cartoons) accurate, don't you think?

George Bush thinks he is the cock of Christ, when really he is the asshole of Satan.


Spirituality is cool, religion sux.

bastard   ·  February 12, 2006 2:46 AM

Tony Blair is the "brown nosed toad"...

bastard   ·  February 12, 2006 2:48 AM

Those who believe fairy tale books like bible,koran or etc,need fast mental care.

ateist   ·  February 12, 2006 3:02 AM

Anyone who claims to be an Atheist is only fooling themselves. Especially when they curse at the God that they say doesn't exist. And did you know that all Atheist's are predjudice and biased? You never hear them damning Budhha, Allah, Confucius, or any other god but God Almighty or Jesus Christ. So which god is the real GOD? The true God that satan tempts you to blaspheme.

Anonymous   ·  February 12, 2006 3:44 AM

ateist....what does that word mean, by the way?

When you die, you will understand that everything we live for in this life has to do with where we chose to spend eternity and how we respond to the matter of God's Son, Jesus Christ....determines our destiny. Give all the halfbaked arguments you want.....I ask you only one question:

What if you are wrong?

All:

God sent NOT His son into the world to CONDEMN the World, but to SEEK and to SAVE that which is lost.

Look to the life of Jesus - the only sinless man to ever live!! Wow, love and compassion emanated from him. People were healed, set free from spiritual and physical illness and bondage, lives were altered, demons were cast out. And God is still in the miracle working business today. I have personally experienced His healing power in many ways!!! If you care to know more, just ask me.

....highly recommend all watch THE PASSION OF THE CHRIST if you haven't already. As has already been mentioned, the Muslims are part of God's creation, and just as he wants every one of us to understand his intense love for us, he definitely wants every Muslim to understand that Jesus Christ is truly, THE WAY, THE TRUTH and THE LIFE - NO MAN COMES UNTO THE FATHER (GOD) EXCEPT by HIM!!!!! (paraphrase on words of Jesus).

I love you all with the love of Christ....will be praying for you. And praying that salvation comes to the masses, because outside of Christ, all is lost. Salem.

Keeping an Open Mind   ·  February 12, 2006 4:03 AM

But anyway,relegions are causes of wars.
And i dont see any good of these thinks.
I believe that, world is much peacefull
place without relegions..

ateist   ·  February 12, 2006 4:54 AM

ateist is abbreviation finish word wich mean atheist.

ateist   ·  February 12, 2006 5:02 AM

Nice reading. He he .... Let's see
Fill the blank: This cartoon is __________

~~~~~~
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$ O | O $
\ IIIIIIIII /

He he. idiots ....

W   ·  February 12, 2006 6:03 AM

??BOMB!!!!
/======\
$ O | O $
\ IIIIIIIII /

W   ·  February 12, 2006 6:18 AM

athiest are people who never got that "request" they asked god for.

islamic fanatics are poor people who are looking for any good enough reason to commit suicide.

moderates are people who just don't give a shit.

communist just leave the thinking to someone else.

religious people are people looking for someone to serve.

along the way some idiots decide to shove thier ideology down another person's throat or even kill just to prove a stupid point.

allah   ·  February 12, 2006 10:17 AM

The cartoons are great. The truth is that the only good muslem is a dead muslem. A muslem by any name still blows up the same. We need to go into all the muslem countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity.

jeff   ·  February 12, 2006 12:27 PM

Having read the Koran its seems unIslamic to brun those who disagree with Islam. This is just wetern envy and hate vailed thinly under false teachings of Islam. I feel sorry for people so mislead.

Rev Dave May   ·  February 12, 2006 12:40 PM

I find it funny that people think that religion is the only cause of wars and divisiveness in the world. Well, the "enlightenment" of the europeans produced what? A structured philosophy supported by their junk science to "prove" their superiority over all other races. They would go on to commit genocide, and slavery and all the rest in the name of their intellectual and racial superiority. Does fascism and communism sound familiar? They used science to "prove" their views, evolution to "justify" their actions. Over 100 million have been murdered in peace time by the hand of communism last century alone. Amazing. This doesn't take into account wars or fascism.

It would take thousands of years for religion to murder that many, well unless Wahabbism would have its way.

Sinjun   ·  February 12, 2006 12:59 PM

Did anyone actually say religion is the ONLY cause? That would be as stupid as saying religion never harmed anyone.

The racial superiority BS perpetrated throughout history by SOME Europeans was orchestreted by the rich and powerful as a means of maintaining the status quo and was supported by the church, at the expense of the masses... sort of like the power structure existing today worldwide, including ALL Arab countries.

You ever notice how the continuous fighting among the "little people" keeps things the way they are? Divide and conquer...

Kind of like slavery in the US... motivated entirely by $$$ by the elite few, with the church convincing the ignorant masses (to their detriment) that they are racially superior to the "heathens" (who do not recognize the appropriate god). How many poor white farmers do you think were devastated economically by rich plantation owners who could afford slaves?

How many Imams, Ayatollahs etc. volunteer for suicide missions? Yet they expect suckers like you to obey their every word, which helps their BS cause and gets you what? Nuthin, or less!

All your suicide bombers, if they had any brains whatsoever, would demand their 70 virgins in advance... (so - what happens to a female suicide bomber, by the way? Does she get 70 male virgins?)

It's been the same throughout history - the old farts with the power send all the young men off to die "gloriously" in battle, so they can have the women to themselves... The young Muslim fanatics screaming for the destruction of Israel & now Denmark are identical to the Hitler youth, and are being manipulated in exactly the same way, with the same BS propaganda.

Blind obedience is for dogs - stupid ones.

Animal Farm, baby...

spirituality is cool, religion sux.

bastard   ·  February 12, 2006 2:20 PM

Thanks "no religion". It's true that religion devides us. I'm going to learn to meditate. I believe the truth lies within us all. Peace people. Be nice to each other.

Kay   ·  February 12, 2006 2:45 PM

SinJun:
Religion isn't the cause of all wars, but it has been the cause for many. Religions have been about controlling people. These are the same people that need to be guided as adults, people that don't have commonsense between right and wrong. I don't like to be told what to do or how to live my life. I haven't killed anyone either. Disconnect yourself from the "Matrix" and you will understand. GW Bush played into Bin Laden's hand because he is an Evangelical Christian (They believe the end is near) and he's a "doomist". We should've placed a 150,000 throops in Afghanistan when we had the chance, to drag Bin Laden out by the hair of his head. Notice, we only used > 15,000 throops and our reaction time to 9/11 was about 6-8 weeks later. Bush didn't want to commit 150,000 throops to Afghanistan when he was planning to go into Iraq. Personally, as an American, Bin Laden and his crew are more signifant than the "Freeing of Iraq" from Saddam, sorry Iraqi people. Ask every American, I know I'm not alone on that. Comparing Iraq to Bin Laden was part of his control of fear on the American people. Just look at the past presidential election, the areas were practically split along religious bounderies. There is no doubt that religion controls the way some people vote and make decisions, disregarding commonsense and informed decision making. This is exactly what is going on in Islamic Sponsored Countries and governments. They are being controlled beyond commonsense, by mullahs, clerics, and political leaders. As far as the Danes not having a U.S. constitution, if the want to challenge current laws that might prohibit Freedom of Speech, then I still support them all the way. Go Danes Go!

Surrounded by Idiots   ·  February 12, 2006 2:51 PM

Bastard writes: "The racial superiority BS perpetrated throughout history by SOME Europeans was orchestreted by the rich and powerful as a means of maintaining the status quo and was supported by the church, at the expense of the masses... sort of like the power structure existing today worldwide, including ALL Arab countries."

Translation of Bastard's transcript and commentary:

True, centuries earlier the Church had the real power in Europe. Governments bowed to the Church. The Church was a dictatorship not unlike what many Islamists would want today in the form of a restored Caliphate.

Truth be told, all organizations by their very nature seek power of some sort, whether it be a business, religious entity, or government. Once these organizations obtain influence politically, they shape and influence their environment to fit their agenda. Once this political agenda becomes a regional or world view with a real and tangible reality, then real political power has been obtained, and more power is always sought.

Bastard wrote: "Kind of like slavery in the US... motivated entirely by $$$ by the elite few, with the church convincing the ignorant masses (to their detriment) that they are racially superior to the "heathens" (who do not recognize the appropriate god). How many poor white farmers do you think were devastated economically by rich plantation owners who could afford slaves?"

Here's what I think you're trying to say: True, white people had viewed themselves as superior to those of color. Religion has been used as a tool to further their cause just like Muslim Clerics of today. If you can justify an action or ideology as the will of God, then you're cause is righteous and who can stand in the way? So, successful slave owners would out-compete non-slave owners and have the blessings and support of the racist preachers of the day.

See my previous paragraph above about the search for political power.

Bastard writes: "How many Imams, Ayatollahs etc. volunteer for suicide missions? Yet they expect suckers like you to obey their every word, which helps their BS cause and gets you what? Nuthin, or less!"

Translation:
Politicians (leaders of any type with effective influence) use ideology, and/or religion as a tool to control the masses (ie opium of the masses). A follower is nothing more than a "Tool" to do the will of "The Man".
Therefore rebel! Don't be a "Tool". Be "The Man".

Bastard writes: "It's been the same throughout history - the old farts with the power send all the young men off to die "gloriously" in battle, so they can have the women to themselves... The young Muslim fanatics screaming for the destruction of Israel & now Denmark are identical to the Hitler youth, and are being manipulated in exactly the same way, with the same BS propaganda."

No translation needed. The English is coherent and straightforward here, and I agree with the little bastard.

Bastard writes: "Blind obedience is for dogs - stupid ones."

You know, and this is absolutely true, I dated a girl once who said I was too nice and she wanted to be told what to do, even when she didn't want to do it. I told her that's the way you train a dog, not how you treat a woman. Now that I think about it, she came from a Communist country. I guess it's just engrained into them.

I also agree that religion sux. The Bible itself in every instance but two or three has some pretty harsh things to say about religion. Solomon, the supposedly wisest guy ever, states himself to not be too religious. Religion is always cast in a negative light. Therefore, it is a relationship with God that we are to seek. Not a set of structured legalistic rules and rituals. When we are truly seeking the heart of God, then our heart should reflect what the written word of God says.

But that is neither here nor there. My point to Bastard's reply is, the struggle for power (politics) by any entity is a great cause for good or evil. Maybe Bastard will agree, it's the underlying philosophy and means of realizing the implementation of the vision of the entity (any and all) that we are scrutinizing. The concept and implementation of an idea that affects culture, economic, and politics(ideology) is man's created almighty. I'm not ready to follow anyone's created god without scrutiny. I'm not a willing tool.

Stay in school Bastard. Your thoughts seem to be coherent, but the colloquialness clouds your conveyance. Also, slander and anger absolutely diminishes the effectiveness of what you are trying to convey. And anger is a great device to cloud one's objectiveness, manufacturing a tool.

Sinjun   ·  February 12, 2006 3:26 PM

Hello Surrounded by Idiots. You know, I don't outright disagree with what you are saying. I don't agree with your strategy for fighting the war on terror, although i'm not military expert or strategist. You may want to read a book "America's Secret War: Inside the Hidden Worldwide Struggle Between America and Its Enemies" by George Friedman. Also, visit the Stratfor website. I also based my views on documentaries and info from Frontline.org and Dr. Khidir Hamza, an Iraqi nuclear and chemical engineer who worked directly under Sadaam Hussein. I had the opportunity to sit in on a forum with him and a few other American and international "experts".

I dont disagree that religion can and has been used a "controller". Ideologies and anything which has any concensus on a group of people guide the way people make decisions. Since you bring up the fact that many religious people voted Republican, would you concede that there is a structured mindset of the opposing party which makes them vote the other way? Any belief/opinion, no matter if it is religious or secular, on any/many issue(s) that has a following of people, once organized and managed then becomes a "controller", would you agree? Thus, we have many controllers in our society and world pushing and pulling, trying to change the world to meet their vision.

The assault on anyone with any form of religious belief simply doesn't not persuade me to diminish any religious person's validity as a human being. It's funny, i've read a selection from "Contribution to the Critique of Hegel's Philosophy of Righ" by Carl Marx and a lot of the hate spewing toward religion by many people on this blog is in the same spirit as Marx(specifically Christianity in the case of Marx).

Consider this, religions have and always will transcend governments and philosophies, since religions are very slow to change over time, while philosphy and governance are but a vapor in time by comparison. Consider the USSR. Religion was severely limited there, but when the government and its ideology failed, Christianity remained and still remains, even growing.

Sinjun   ·  February 12, 2006 4:14 PM

Everyone has a diff sense of humour, I bought my Catholic mate a light up dash-board Jesus on a cross that sings a rock version of Ave Maria for X-mas, she thought it was hilarious. If people are comfortable with themselves and their religion, other peoples comments, especially those done in this manner shouldn't bother them at all. If ya don't find it funny, relax, you still have your faith. All this time for stress n u should just be praying or whatever u peeps do!!! Nanu Nanu

Shamrock Shakes   ·  February 12, 2006 4:27 PM

Thanks, Sinjun, for elucidating my many and varied colloquialisms, and the loose context I chose to use. (btw - is colloquialness a real word?) My choice of words is intentional. I am in my 40's, I got me a college edumacation, and I am 6' 4" 260 lbs (not little). I am also a full time educator and arts administrator.

I do agree with much of what you say, but will add this:

I believe that any and every conception of God (or the Creator, as I prefer) is man made. Most of those concepts includes the idea that God is infinite (which I can go along with for now), and I don't believe there ever has been, is now or ever will be a human that can truly comprehend infinity. It is my opinion that anyone who says they can is completely, totally, full of shit, and should be laughed at. Unless, of course, they have the power to kill you. Then you should sacrifice your personal integrity and self worth, and obey their every command like a good dog.

NOT!!!!!!!!!!!

;-)

bastard   ·  February 12, 2006 5:15 PM

All cross religious debate always boils down to the same childish thing...

WHO'S GOT HE BEST IMAGINARY FRIEND?

"I Have"
"No, I have"
"No I Have"
Repeat ad infinitum.........

mock   ·  February 12, 2006 5:47 PM

Bastard

God hears you man!! If you seek Him, you will find. If you don't, you will pay the price for eternity. "Choose ye this day whom you will serve."
He is a gracious and eternal being that has A LOT more in store for us then what is seen here in our earthly bodies.

.....and what exactly was the point of telling us your weight and size....does that somehow bear any significance on this conversation.....I didn't think so.

??   ·  February 12, 2006 6:25 PM

Describing my size was a silly reply to Sinjun's remark:

"No translation needed. The English is coherent and straightforward here, and I agree with the little bastard."

bastard   ·  February 12, 2006 8:04 PM

HA HA HA Those cartoons are so funny They show those Sand Niggers just how they are, a bunch of Terriorist and to all you pussy so called news papers that are to affraid to publish these real to life dipictyions of Muslams Shame of you, I don't want to hear a thing about freedom of speach ever you don't deserve the freedom

Mohomad   ·  February 12, 2006 9:44 PM

I say lets burn Syria Iran Pale flags
for being children killers

God Bless USA/Israel   ·  February 12, 2006 11:14 PM

To the muslims...keep doing what you are digging. It is your own grave, deeper.
To you all who believe in Freedom of speech, where is the freedom of expression. Let the muslim express their own way of freedom. Isn't that a freedom too. Why must there be a double standard in how you express it comaparing to the east. West believe in freedom of speech, the east, action (in your view terrorism).
You Brit (Phil)... scam bag. Quit slamming on French (by the way I love French).
You bastards... you came to my country, Malaysia... stripped and raped us. Stolen all our belonging in the name of your bitch, queen. You committed your horrendous crime in a most organized way and yet you have the guts to criticize the muslims. You pigs along with rest of the fanatic muslims...
By the way... you Fanatic muslims...if you believe that God Allah is so powerful then why are you taking the judgement in your own hand. Is it the most powerful Allah will do it. Or are you saying that you are the God or the chosen one to make that call? Allah.... that is blasphemy....I call upon all faithful muslim to stone you fanatics to dead. Yes... at last peace has been restored... oops what about the Brits... zap...

Peace   ·  February 13, 2006 12:42 AM

Most of the people on this message board are hateful, and do not represent the intelligence of either side of the argument. A blog like this basically turns into a shoe box for every ignorant racist and anti-semitic with a keyboard.

Neither side cares to listen to the other, and stereotypes entire groups based on the actions of a few. You all need to grow up. There were maybe 5 intelligent posts out of the 500 or so on this entire board. I basically read every one of them.

People have the right to express their thoughts and feelings any way they wish, even if that means depicting muhammed, burning flags, or rapid-firing hate messages at each other on a board like this. Everybody chooses their own method of expression.

There will always be intelligent, rational people and hateful, ignorant people on any side of an argument. I guess I know where to come if I'm looking for the latter.

Embarrassed at you all   ·  February 13, 2006 2:46 AM

"i am" can be uttered by any of god's creatures.

religious nut cases, most particularly distorted islamic fuckwits, should take this into account.

frisbee   ·  February 13, 2006 6:17 AM

God save us from the people who work in your name

ralph   ·  February 13, 2006 6:47 AM

to Embarrassed at you all:

You are just as self-riteous as everyone else... you fuckin retard.

bastard   ·  February 13, 2006 2:44 PM

Thanks........
I've been laughing for hours reading all the comments.
I really needed the laugh. Been pretty sick lately...Laughing is good for the immune system.
I've grown too tired to write the tome I intended to write, but I will say,
Go Danes....
Cheers to the French for Courage...
Bravo to the rest of Europe (whoever had the common sense to reprint the cartoons)...
It's called Freedom of Speech...
Shame on USA for making me find cartoons on internet and for not showing solidarity with the fascist muslim forces....
So many times Christian things have been desecrated and only peaceful demonstrations have been heard. There was an exhibit of the virgin Mary with crap on her in a gallery a few years ago.
Then, there was some movie about Christ that neither the protestants nor the Catholics liked. Some Catholics prayed outside the movie theatres and picketed. but...no one got hurt nothing got destroyed..the worst thing was the governor tried to take funding away from the gallery but even that was rescinded.
I thought it was all kinds disgusting and useless, but so what...That's what makes this a free country (well, it used to be).The right to insult some one or their beliefs and get away with it. And, they could do it right back, if need be. It all died down and most have even forgotten it happened.
Between the right wing Christians and the Muslims, I wonder if there would be more freedom under communism(which does not really exist anymore,except in cuba). I do not count Chinese(Asian) Communism. I know that answer. Think I'd take my chances with the religious nuts.
Anyway, going off to bed and dream of a better world where it's not all the sixth grade in a bad neighborhood.

Jean   ·  February 13, 2006 6:02 PM

I am not a muslim but my boyfriend is, and I did not understand the upset about he cartoons until he explained to me the assumptions and insults these cartoons have made about the muslim world. He is not a practicing, praying muslim, so he is not as close to the conflict as other muslims. Here is how he explained it to me:
Imagine everything you say, do, eat,wear, and how you say, do, eat wear and live is under constant criticism due to the unfortunate radical few-- who have now defined you as someone or some people deserving of close watch and criticism. Imagine being included in a brutal sweeping generalization that jeopardizes you social and political standing in the world. Everything about you is up for interpretation and that interpretation influences the way the the whole world sees and treats you. this is the way it is everyday, and no matter what you do no one will look at you differently. and then just when you think people hate you enough, someone decides to have a laugh with everyone else in the world about the thing that means the most to you. (muslims, even non practicing muslims, have a very strong connection with god, real and reasonable beliefs and traditions (even to a liberal like me)) before you rant on ignorantly perhaps, just admit that you may be ignorant about the heart of their protests. You take everything away from someone, attack them from every angle, how else do you expect them to get people who don't take them seriously to listen without threat. what do you do when you have no other tools, when your fighting against someone who meerly pretends to care to apease you. think about it. maybe i'm not being as clear as i mean to be but i hope some of you get it

usa   ·  February 13, 2006 9:55 PM

You people are nuts!!!

The cartoons are irrelevant in this discussion...

The Muslims seem to want to get angry at the world...it gives them something to start a "Holy War" over...

Come on...give me a fucking break!!! I've seen Jesus slagged in so many ways...do the Christians threaten to kill people over it...nope!!!

Take a look at South Park (American "Infidel" Cartoon for you unknowing folks)...it pokes fun at everyone and everything including Jesus...the show still continues and I hope they do something about Mohammed!!!

Now really, first off, you can have your beliefs...but remember that not everyone believes the same thing you do...

Second off...if they don't believe you, then that is too bad for them (because of course you are going to be saved - RIGHT Jehova's Witnesses!!!)...

Third off...what makes you all think there is an afterlife??? Do you have proof??? Nope, just your "faith"...

So finally, considering this life we all share may be all we have...play nice and shut the fuck up!!! Let's get along and be human to each other...if someone is an ass, tell them so but don't threaten violence...not cool!!!

By the way, I drink...I've fornicated...I've stolen...I've lied...I've coveted my neighbour's wife, I've committed adultery...I've disrespected my parents...I should be going to some sort of hell!!!

Yeah, right!!! According to Catholisim I've just got to confess and all is forgiven...I'll leave that until the end...;-)

Sanity   ·  February 13, 2006 10:35 PM

cna any1 tell me a web site were i can find the cartoon

katliy   ·  February 13, 2006 10:51 PM

what the fuck is the deal people are dying over this shit get life man. your going to kill over this why not just make some cartoons yourselfs making fun of denmark?

dude   ·  February 14, 2006 1:25 AM

Hmmmm, took quite a while to read all of this...
It's unfortunate that there are people who are so willing to show their anger and hatred no matter what religion they believe in.
It's also unfortunate that they alleviate themselves from responsibility for their actions because God or Jesus or another prophet will save them.
It was not your choice that you exist, but it is your choice how you live. Religion becomes a compass to give direction how you live, but all in all, there are only two types of people who follow organized religion. Sheep and Sheepherders...in other words, those who cannot keep on the right path without external guidance, and those who obtain some gratification or inner-peace in guiding those type of people.
All you peace loving Muslims please stand up for your religion and distance yourselves and your religion from those radicals.
And for the many who posted such rude and offensive comments previously, try and feel some love, faith, and charity in your lives...it makes waking up in the morning much more pleasant.

mowani   ·  February 14, 2006 2:10 AM

In my last comment, I meant to say Faith, Love, and Hope. These are the elements for happiness.
Now, which religion was I brought up in?

Mowani   ·  February 14, 2006 2:14 AM

the idiots in the middle east are good example of stupidity in progress. denmark newspapers printed the cartoon and they shout and scream at US and Isreal.

i think since they will blame US and Isreal about the cartoonand everything else including why their mothers are ugly, why not give them something worthwile to protest about. do what Sanity said, southpark-ize mohammad and his donkey, allah.

allah   ·  February 14, 2006 3:50 AM

if the old testament (i think its called the Torah or something) is a part of islam, then doesnt that include the Ten Commandments, one of which is 'thou shalt not kill'? how then are these islamic people so ridiculously violent and murderous then?

Sahuagin   ·  February 14, 2006 10:42 AM

to usa:

much (not all) of what you describe (your boyfriend's description of being a moderate Muslim) also describes what it is like to be a performing artist of original innovative material (which I am). Should I consider myself oppressed? No. Here's what I have come to realize:

(count these off on your fingers, from the outside in, alternating sides, leaving the middle one for last...)

No matter what you do -

- someone will love it
- someone will hate it
- someone will sort of like it
- someone will sort of dislike it
- someone won't give a flying fuckin' rat's ass


cheers ;-)

bastard   ·  February 14, 2006 1:13 PM

Well, I have to say this is similar to a friend of mine saying that Italian Americans are all mobsters and like to beat people with bats - and then me being insulted and getting a bat to beat him up.

Free speech aside, why live up to a stereotype, and if Islam is supposed to be the peaceful religion that we are to believe (because appearently, other religions are not peaceful) then why has a majority of the leaders of the religion been outspoken about the airing of these cartoons rather then condemning the violence?

It seems that it is ok say entire nations will go to hell, yet when the same rhetoric is used, satirically I might add. It is grounds for worldwide riot.

There is absolutely no justification for the actions, and until the majority of muslims condemn this, then they are simply proving the satire as truth.

Giovanni   ·  February 14, 2006 4:33 PM

I blame the violent, racist, landgrabbing, kiddie killing, joos...may Hamas explode their buses, slay their pigdog offspring and sweep the zionist entity into the sea.

Abu Raisinhead   ·  February 14, 2006 9:48 PM

mohammad too busy fuking his favourite donkey named allah. so he won't be "explode" their buses" anytime soon.

islam is a religion for poor people. they have no jobs or food to eatt so they all have all the time in the world to incite voilence and go on rampage. if they die, hey no big loss - won't be missed and one less mouth to feed.

blame everything on isreal and usa. their dick too short, no food to eat, ugly mothers, urge to fuck camels, pedophilia tendency, no future, no money, no food, unable to eat bacon, ...its all a jewish conspiracy to them.

poor bastards. no wonder they are committing suicide. their allah even refuse to answer their prayers to help them defeat the zionist state. such a small nation surrounded by arab nations and every islamic militant can only burn tires in the street in protest. unanswered prayers = either allah don't exist or he is too busy fucking mohammad up the ass.

hahahahahahaha.

allah   ·  February 14, 2006 11:10 PM

the idiots are rioting over cartoons and shouting insults in the streets and guess what? they actually think they are making a difference.

elsewhere, people are preparing for the upcoming worldcup, waiting to see who makes the top moneylist this year in the USPGA, tennis have more sexier players than ever before, playboy got new hot babe this month, yatching is great, people are building better computers, etc etc

and the islamist are running in the streets burning and destroying buildings their own country? i don't know whether to laugh or cry at religious stupidity. i won't convert to islam at the rate things are going. better off being an atheist than stupid.

mohammad   ·  February 14, 2006 11:20 PM

worldcup? football rules! the whole world be watching this worldwide events....maybe some won't since they be rioting in the streets beating their chest and pulling their hair out while damaging property in their own backyard.

nabi   ·  February 14, 2006 11:25 PM

Ok here's the thing guys don't insult Muslims for we have the same God (on the assumption that you are Jews and Christians)believe in all of your prophets including Jesus (for all of you Arab Haters in the world) and we are simply tired of the persecution. This thing about suicide and virgins is not true. You must die in the name of Allah (SWT) for a just cause as in, fighting war against lets say atheists to make dawaa or missions. Muslims in my community don't criticize Christianity for going to Afrikaa and stealing the people from the greedy kings and forcing them to take Jesus. Also dont forget that when Jesus was forced on the blacks they were taught the peaceful side and the ones who questioned the rationale were killed.

now to the cartoon. Is it not hard to understand that the Islamic Law does not allow drawings of Allah or prophets as to deter the people from making the prophets idols and to distort Allah's true image? People saying, "its just a cartoon!" ok its offensive and if we as Muslims drew Jesus with something as offensive as that you would be infuriated. and Jews if we drew Ibrahim, saying its just a wall and grafiticizing the the wailing wall or the wall to which you bow to the Torah in synagogues then yes the jews would be infuriated.
So please understand my point as to say it should not have been done and i personally believe that the artists of these cartoons should be punished to some extent.

If you are wondering I'm persecuted everyday at my school for my religious beliefs, redneck teachers grading me down for effort and all of that, and im tired of it for sure.

OsimeAbdul Karim   ·  February 15, 2006 12:44 AM

i meant in that post Hitler not Ibrahim, im so very sorry and i hope i did not thoroughly offend any jews. I was just thinking Jews = Abraham = father = leader = war = ww2 = fuhrer = Hitler
its all very complicated and i just hope you were not completely offended. I pray that many things could be resolved between these 3 sibling religions.

Anonymous   ·  February 15, 2006 12:50 AM

OsimeAbdul Karim...dude... you are so embarassing. Shut up. Here is a quarter (dinar). Go far and play.

Cool Dude   ·  February 15, 2006 2:33 AM

The stupidity of this entire situation has me dumbfounded. Why did it take 4 months for these cartoons to cause such an up-roar? Had anyone on this blog heard about these cartoons within the first 4 months? Did these cartoons have any affect on anyone's feelings about the Muslim religion? Now, how many people are disgusted with Muslims now that all of this has happend? Why is every Muslim on this blog preaching that these cartoons were meant to alienate Islam when it is not the cartoons, but the Muslim reaction that has caused that alienation to practically double itself?

I am not pretending to know about the Muslim religion, if I was then that would be an extremely ignorant gesture considering that I know practically nothing about it. However this really has nothing to do about understanding the religion. Freedom of speech is not contingent on knowing everything about all things. If I walked up to someone and said I fucked your mother last night It is pretty safe to say that I could understand why that person might get upset. There really would be no need to sit there and debate about whether or not I should have said that. If the person said back to me oh yeah go fuck yourself, or gave me the finger or maybe even went as far as to spit in my face we could all sit here and argue about which was the more mature response, and which was the childish response, and which was the more ignorant response etc. But if that person decided to shoot me 46 times and then cut me up into 100 peaces and eat me, and then say that he did it all in the name of his mother. well thats just not going to work.

Freedom of speech is here and now, the wars over it have been fought and its not going away. Freedom of Killing anyone who pisses you off however is not acceptable, by anyone. Or maybe not. Like I said I dont know much about Muslims, but maybe it is truly acceptable by them. Maybe its Muslims Freedom of killing anyone who pisses you off vs. theFreedom of Speech of todays democracies. I am going to assume that the true Islam would not stand for it, but from my point of view I certainly hear an awful lot about the true Islam but I only ever seem to see the perverted Islam when I read the newspapers.

Maybe we should just have a google deathmatch over it and call it a day.

Jake   ·  February 15, 2006 3:13 AM

BTW, OsimeAbdul Karim,

"ok its offensive and if we as Muslims drew Jesus with something as offensive as that you would be infuriated". -
By Western standards... those cartoons, on a scale of 1 to 10, would be a 1 in regards to how offensive they are. I do realize that we have a much different perspective on things, so you think of them as being much more offensive then we do. But do you realize that as offensive as they are to you, we dont think of them that way?

With that said, sure some people may be infurated. But I would strongly predict that if the situation was reversed, there would be no situation. The cartoons would have came out, a few Christians would have been like "WTF, that pisses me off" and then they would have finished their cereal and went to work and that would have been it. Maybe they would have wrote a few emails, maybe they would have blogged about it. I dont think you would find any dead Muslims because of it though.

"If you are wondering I'm persecuted everyday at my school for my religious beliefs, redneck teachers grading me down for effort and all of that, and im tired of it for sure." - OK, that sucks. So should non-Muslims be persecuted for NOT having your religious beliefs? Would that make you happy? An eye for an eye?

Jake   ·  February 15, 2006 3:26 AM

I really hope that the human race gets past all of this one day and learn how to feel good about being human beings.
Breathe in the nose, out through the mouth and be happy youve got that much.

Greg   ·  February 15, 2006 4:38 AM

i think time has come for the muslims to realize that their reaction to a silly cartoon is unacceptable to most p[eople i am a hindu and western companies routienly make fun of our gods but we dont react violently you are making things worse for yourself and time may come you may have to leave the western world altogether

gautam   ·  February 15, 2006 6:29 AM

Let's not beat around the bush here:

It's not the drawing of the prophet Mohammed that is really pissing these people off - it's the manner in which he was drawn - which was meant to draw associations with the Muslim faith and acts of terrorism.

So this is the part that confounds me:

A large selection of radical Muslims are insulted by a depiction of Mohammed that implies that members of their faith are prone to carry out acts of violence - and they choose to counter their feelings of insult - by engaging in protests that result in murder, mayhem, and the obligatory burning of the nearest McDonalds.

Clearly, muslim fundamentalists and many Americans have at least one thing they can claim to have a common ground on - the inability to percieve irony.

Ho hum.

Neddy_101   ·  February 15, 2006 9:53 AM

Actually Neddy, any drawing of the prophet is considered blasphemy.

Lets all start a new religion where no one is permitted to look at the sun. Then anyone who does will be killed on sight.

Jake   ·  February 15, 2006 11:56 AM

I'm not arguing that the Mohammed cartoons are a blaspheme yes, but people use caricatures and art in a blapsphemous manner all the time - the bare-breasted Mary with howling baby in one arm, bowl of blood in the other? Piss-Christ? Ring any bells?

The difference is that such things typically don't result in random death and some pyromaniac getting inventive with the interior decorations at 'Ali-Babas take-out Emporium'.

The message that seems to be getting across to me is that it seems as though artistic license has granted people the right to be as blasphemous as they like toward other religions (i.e. Christianity, Judaism) - except where non-moderate Muslim sensitivities are concerned.

Anybody else picking up on the lack of consistency?

Neddy_101   ·  February 15, 2006 12:56 PM

Plus, where did your idea for the anti-sun movement come from? - how could you possibly enforce it? Didn't think it through much huh?

Neddy_101   ·  February 15, 2006 1:01 PM

Just goes to show the stupidity of what's meant to be the most advanced creature on the planet. Not only have we lost sight of just WHERE we are, but we are forever doomed to allow ourselves to be controlled en masse, not realisinng it is US, the people, the proletariat, who run the world. We all sit down tomorrow and say we're not putting up with it anymore and what happens? How can we be so dumb to allow an absolute minority total control of the majority? For perhaps two-thirds of the world's population to spend their entire, brief lives not thinking for themselves is beyond me. And for such an uproar over pen and ink, such mindless proclamations against any and all. I'm all for another world war, lets all blow the f*** out of each other. As a speices we are doomed, so the sooner we are out of the way then the sooner the next creature to colonise this planet can take over and try their luck on a rock, going round a star, travelling (almost) forever into oblivion. We spend year after year fighting amongst ourselves, killing each other on a large scale, abused by a minority and then send probes out into space telling alien races where we are? What? So they can avoid us I can only presume...

just another human being   ·  February 15, 2006 1:10 PM

Sinjun,

Being under-informed is neither here-nor-there... If you had actually read what I wrote, and wasnt so quick to judge and add your two cents; you might have grasped the fact that I am merely pointing out a simple fact.

I didn't attempt to find the "Root of the problem". All I attempted to do to is show that if the war in Iraq had never taken place, these cartoons probably wouldn't have surfaced for decades if even at all.

Also, Im not bashing Bush by any means He is to blame for the Iraq war period. He being the commander-in-chief is responsible for everything that happens during is term in office. The poor intelligence gathering in regard to WMDs the fact that Iraq had nothing to do with the events of 911 etc., etc. He is responsible for the deaths of 2000+ American troops and 100,000+ Iraqis. And if you didnt notice the cartoon with the bomb for a turban, is probably the most memorable because of its depiction of suicide bombers many hundred of which occurred after the war began.

One other thing - since you seem to be so informed - The Danish newspaper said it printed the cartoons as a test of whether Muslim fundamentalists had begun affecting the freedom of expression in Denmark. The timing couldnt be more perfect. And youre telling me that destabilization of an entire country - the fall of a dictators regime and the installment of a new Democratic government have nothing to do with this situation?

Hey, well, at least Im not Muslim bashing like most of the posters here

Concerned Citizen   ·  February 15, 2006 2:52 PM

Those cartoons were printed in the Jyllands-Posten somewhere in September. It's a Danish newspaper for Danish readers and it was not intended to be read by people in the Arabic world nor did they print extra volumes of this edition to spread it in the Arabic world.

But how did the cartoons reached the Islamic world after all? Did European racists take copies of it and showed it to people all over Arabia just to hurt, provoke and cause anger?
Or were it Danish Imams who peacefully traveled across Europe and Arabia with the cartoons at hand to spread hate all over the Muslim world? Whose fault is the current situation? The cartoonist, the news paper or the ones who spread the cartoons to intentionally spread hate?

When terrorist attacks happened on Western symbols by Islamic terrorists I didnt see any riots to reject these actions in the Islamic world. On the contrary, I did only see people dancing and laughing on the streets while burning American flags.
Do Western people think that Islam is a tolerant an peaceful religion when they hear that those terrorists are rewarded with paradise? Thousands of innocent people died while we did not hear any kind of excuse. No, we did only hear we are peaceful and tolerant.

Now with some, in Western eyes, innocent cartoons the entire Islamic world is suddenly in a chock. The peaceful and tolerant reaction to this is burning buildings, killing people, even threatening with terrorism for a change.

Here in Belgium some Muslims even ask to forbid the right of free speech when Muslims are considered. A Muslim did make a poster with a disrespectful naked Madonna to provoke Christians in the name of freedom of speech last year (these posters were actually showed in public areas, metros, train stations, etc.), but now he says that some cartoons in a foreign country are not done because they provoke Muslims.

Manneke Pis   ·  February 15, 2006 7:54 PM

I think it would be incredibly entertaining if "God" actually DID show up and present him/herself to the peoples of the world and announced that we were ALL WRONG! That Muhammad WAS NOT his 'prophet' and Jesus Christ was just a huckster with a good story to tell, and all the other religions were flawed in their core beliefs. People would not know what to do! Faith is a powerful thing, but even in it's strength it is our own confession of weakness. Our own admission that we are not strong enough to stand alone, that we must have a staff to lean upon, the expressed hope and conviction that there is some greater power which will lend us aid and guidance. If "God" were to appear in a tower of light over the earth and speak to everybody in their own language that they had been misled and mistaken all their lives, most people would just crumble and fall apart. They would be unable to continue living.

I would just sit back and watch. Maybe with a bag of popcorn...

Dogstar   ·  February 16, 2006 1:38 PM

This seems like much "to do" about nothing! Perhaps if they had a life, this would not be such a big deal!

jk   ·  February 16, 2006 6:14 PM

As an American I am pissed that the childish dogs would pitch such a bitch about cartoons, which were hilarious. We feel that the Danes are our brothers and sisters and we would help them always. We may be late, but we would be there. Something about 911 I would like to tell you all. It didn't scared us. it pissed us off. You Muslim dogs have awoken the sleeping giant. Soon, you will all burn in raging fire. keep it up Danes. You actually have more freedom than us Americans.

american_man   ·  February 16, 2006 6:32 PM

Ive read a lot about what people here consider an atheist I myself am more of an agnostic leaning more in the direction of atheism. The funny thing about born again Christians and Christians in general is that they will tell someone like me that if I dont find Jesus, Im going to hell. What they dont understand is that I dont believe in hell or heaven for that matter. The only thing I believe in is what I can see around me.

I was actually raised Catholic, but when I was old enough to be able to think for myself, I realized more and more how much religion didnt make sense. Why was there no mention of Dinosaurs in the bible, in any other scripture or religious writing for that matter? Also if the world was created in only 7 days, when did "God" create the other planets and why? I mean why create Pluto for instance - basically just a ball of ice? And what purpose does Mercury serve - a planet so close to the sun that it doesnt even have an atmosphere? And why do some poor little children get deadly cancer and die young while by the same token some horrible child murder has excellent health and lives well into his 80s? And why did the Catholic Church use Native American Indians as slaves to build their Missions and other religious places of worship? And what is up with all the priest pedophiles? Arent they supposed to be the figure of utmost trust and understanding? And why does the Vatican keep sweeping it under the rug?

Also, whats the big deal with abortion? A woman should be able to choose if she wants to keep her fetus or not. After all, an unfertilized egg is a potential fetus as well, so should we outlaw women from menstruating? Its funny how we are so quick to kill other animals as we deem necessary (or profitable), but deny women the right to do what they want with their own body.

These types of questions continued for many, many years, until I came to the conclusion that there is no one all-mighty being out there, no place to look forward to when we die, etc., etc. If we are lucky enough, maybe well find true love in our lifetime

Truly Happy   ·  February 16, 2006 7:04 PM

The only reason we (The US) didnt publish these cartoons is because were a bunch of pussies. The powers that be dont want to insight more riots in the Middle East. Hell theyre already burning our flag, and we have nothing to do with the stupid drawings. Those idiot extremists feel that all free societies need to suffer If we had published them, at least we would have taken a stand for freedom, even if it means more road-side/suicide bombs, more flag burnings, and more hatred toward the US I say BIRNG IT ON you extremist bastards is this all you got?

Take That!   ·  February 16, 2006 7:57 PM

There's a new documentary on the lives of gay Muslims coming out. It's called "In the Name of Allah". It's a documentary based from the perspective of gays, lesbians and transgender muslims.

Sandi Dubowski is the producer. In an article he stated he would submit his movie to all the major film festivals of the Muslim and Western worlds. If banned he'll show them underground.

I wonder how the crazies are going to react to it.

Sinjun   ·  February 16, 2006 8:41 PM

Where can I get a Saudi Arabian flag to burn?

Re Rate Me   ·  February 17, 2006 12:58 AM

Re Rate Me,

I don't think burning a Saudi Flag in the streets would be particularly helpful.

As despicable a nation as they are - you'd be mobbed in your own country for expressing yourself as they do, or in the best case scenario - pulled away by law enforcement in order to prevent you from being mobbed in your own country.

The last thing we need to do is sink to their level with flag burning or violent protest - for one thing they'll only use it to further justify causing more anarchy in the high streets.

Secondly, they may just choose to kill you where you stand.

A couple of danes got saved from being flayed alive by the mob when they bravely (abeit somewhat foolishly) chose to do a counter protest - alone - in front of hundreds of Muslims, advocating the right to free speech.

Fortunately a plain clothes cop pulled them out, just as the mob started advancing towards them shouting "the Heathens - they mock us!" and various other words to that effect.

I should add that the counter-protest was just these two guys, quietly standing there, holding placards.

A peaceful counter-protest might be a good idea, but if rallying one, it might be an idea to:

1/ Hold it in an area NOT in the immediate vicinity of the Islmaic rioters

2/ Hold it in a place where it is likely to end up getting televised (outside famous landmark, etc) if it gains sufficient attention

3/ To ensure that the protest comprises of more than just you and your boyfriend. A couple of fruitcakes standing around with banners and thermos flasks does little to rouse the public mind as a general rule.
* And if encountered by groups of Muslims, they're less likely to Lynch you if they realise it's them versus an army of, say, half the population of Manchester.

Just out of interest, is anyone aware of any plans to organise a proper counter-protest?

Neddy_101   ·  February 17, 2006 3:32 AM

And by interest - I mean within the (un)United Kingdom.

As worthwhile as a counter-protest may be, i'm unlikely to travel to another country simply to participate.

Neddy_101   ·  February 17, 2006 3:36 AM

The problem is the West are highly educated people who know a conspiracy when they see one.
The Muslims have been conspiring to cause trouble in the West for decades.
Even the moderates can at least acknowledge this.
Blaming Bush or western freedom of speech, culture etc, is just a SMOKESCREEN.
They want our LIFE. Our LANDS. Our OPPORTUNITIES.
They dont want to work hard for generations like our ancestors have done.
They want to just get off the plane, boat , whatever and walk into wealth
and prosperity. Not EARN it.
They dont realise, that a lot the opportunities and little wealth that most of us have, was handed DOWN over GENERATIONS.
Its just a plot to shortfuse the SYSTEM that we live and work under, so they can
take the fastest route to the top of the
food chain.
Of course, when they are there, they wont be as tolerant and sharing and caring as we are to them of course.
Because we are the ENEMY.

Rant over. Thanks for listening (reading). ;)

Anonymous   ·  February 17, 2006 8:34 AM

why burn saudi flag? just shit on a koran book, post the pictures online and newspapers. that should start more riots in muslim countries for the islams to run in the streets and crapping their pants. let them beat their chest, burn their own buildings and cars and burn flags in their own country while we watch it all on CNN and eat popcorn in our nice cosy homes.

allah   ·  February 17, 2006 12:29 PM

Maulana Yousef Qureshi, a cleric in the northwestern city of Peshawar, said during Friday prayers that he personally had offered to pay a bounty of 500,000 rupees ($8,400), while a jewelers association was putting up $1 million, and others were offering $17,000 plus a car.

People want the cartoonist dead! Laugh My Muthafuckin Ass Off! Some big bucks being offered for his head.

Re Rate Me   ·  February 17, 2006 1:31 PM

Hmmmmmmmmm. And now, Cindy Shehan, the leftist turncoat has some other issues. Seems she gave up her first son, the one that was killed, in her first divorce, and now is getting divorced again. And yup, she's giving up the son that she currently has. Is there anyway we can get the Muslims pissed off at her? Maybe they could burn her house, or the KFC next door to the letch. I laugh my ass off at that stupid whore. Too bad it wasn't her that was killed. Anyway, fuck the Muslims all over. They can kiss my clean wiped American ass!

american_man   ·  February 17, 2006 2:14 PM

FUCK YOU ALL YOU MOTHERFUCKING REPUBLICANS.
BUSH IS a fuckin piece of shit

posted by: the dude who fucks your sister on 02.03.06 at 09:15 PM [permalink]

What a punk ass suberversive heel biting mongrel little dickless punk. We need to turn them Muslim creeps on to you and your family. Anonymous little trifling turd.

american_man   ·  February 17, 2006 3:01 PM

Eleven people were killed and an Italian consulate was burned in Libya on Friday night during protests to denounce the publication of cartoons depicting the Muslim prophet Mohammed, sources in Libya said.

Re Rate Me   ·  February 17, 2006 7:10 PM

cindy sehan is an idiot. she is hooked on the publicity than caring about her son who died doing his job.

i saw cindy sehan drawing lewd cartoons of mohammad!!! quick, you muslims, go get her like a good doggie. common doggies..go get sehan. harr! git! git!!

allah   ·  February 18, 2006 2:31 AM

one million dollars to get a cartoonist! thats a laugh. where the heck are they going to get that kind of money? they are too busy rioting instead of working. those idiots can't even feed themselves.

mohammad   ·  February 18, 2006 2:34 AM

i was at the truck stop the other night and saw a biker wearing a t-shirt has a cartoon of apparently mohammad getting his ass fuck by his camel. (thats what the caption says.) funny thing was, theres these 3 arab man and their towelhead bitches standing there opposite the biker at the magazine section....no jihad .... not even a squeek.

..or are muslims too chickenshit to do anything in small numbers. i would say the later, they need a few hundered idiots chanting slogans and burning flags before they do anything or declare jihad. jihad my ass!

gentry   ·  February 18, 2006 2:40 AM

anyone knows where i can get those t-shirts i see quite a lot of people are wearing now? it has a picture of mohammad lying on his belly, naked in the desert. the t-shirt says"how mohammad gets hot and randy".

anyone got the url to order it online? i'd like to wear it to the company picnic this 2 sundays from now.

soccer_mum   ·  February 18, 2006 2:54 AM

Why do Jews hate Muslims and Muslims hate everyone, especially the Jews?

Sane   ·  February 18, 2006 6:28 AM

Please note, the Christian God, Jehovah, is not the same as the Muslem God, Allah. For example, Jehovah has a son called Jesus Christ and sent Abraham to sacrifice Isaac. Allah does not have a son and sent Abraham to sacrifice Ishmael. If you take time to compare the Bible and the Koran you will see that there are a lot more differences that clearly demonstrate that they are not the same.

mike riverside   ·  February 18, 2006 6:38 AM

muslem god and chiristian god are definetly not the same god. the muslem one orders people to kill and give them sex in heaven. the christian one orders people to love and takes away all their responsibilities in heaven. the buddhist gets to be reborn, something like groundhog's day.

definetly different. the muslem god on the other hand is fun to mock. everytime you mock their god, a few countries in the middle east goes into unrest. even a 6 year old child can effect a whole country. thats fun if you ask me.

for us athiest, the muslems cannot mock us and all they can do is swear and curse.

allah   ·  February 18, 2006 8:18 AM
And youre telling me that destabilization of an entire country - the fall of a dictators regime and the installment of a new Democratic government have nothing to do with this situation? ---Concerned Citizen

When did correlation become causation?

Alan Kellogg   ·  February 18, 2006 9:19 PM

PISS ON ALLAH, AND MUHAMMAD AND THE WHOLE MUSLIM POPULATION.

Anonymous   ·  February 18, 2006 10:14 PM

AAAGRH!!!! religion was invented thousands of years ago an an opium for the masses to keep people under control and give them something to aspire to(heaven or whatever) so they would follow rules and restrictions that made them easier to control and dominate so their leaders could remain rich and powerful.
YOU'RE ALL ARGUING OVER A BUNCH OF RIDICULOUS BOOKS WRITTEN BY SCHEMING MEN THOUSANDS OF YEARS AGO!!!! MOVE ON!!!

Anonymous   ·  February 19, 2006 7:19 AM

religion use to "control and dominate"? not THAT effective. money be more effective. everyone has their price. you can even get a camel jockey to blow a camel for money.

the suicide part? take away their money...

allah   ·  February 19, 2006 11:30 AM

Is anyone aware that Adolph Hitler was not only a Christian, but able to begin his own government-lead church that allowed him to self proclaim himself a Messiah for Germany? Would anyone agree that Hitler was a good Christian? I doubt it, very strongly. The reason, we called them Krouts, not Christians. Nearly 50% of the Arabian population is Christian and the other half Moslem. Ask someone who was born in Africa, and they will tell you that the Jewish population has commited terroristic acts and blamed every surrounding country. Ask any Moslem if a terrorist is accepted by the truly religious among them, and the answer is also "no." Terrorism is a warped followers' POV. The religion states that God will not condemn you to hell if you defend yourself from an attacker allowed with equal force only...hence, terroristic acts are indeed against Islamic beliefs. Freedom of speech should include moral values. Sam Kinnison walked out on stage and said, "this is your life, Jesus Christ..." and banged his microphone on the floor. Grand offences makes the entire nation look bad, and the heat has intensified because of it. We, as a tolerant society, should help guide others to do the right thing.

convert through education   ·  February 19, 2006 5:38 PM

what was the need for putting the cartoon in the paper in the first place? they must have known that radical muslims would have been offended and would use violence to get their point across. i live in Canada and am definently anti-censoriship but there are just some things we have to treat with sensitivity, otherwise we'll just end up killing ourselves.

crystals   ·  February 19, 2006 7:10 PM

Mike Riverside - Jehovah isn't the Christian god - he's the Jewish one - and he's not depicted as all knowing, compassionate and smart - he's jealous, vengeful and, frankly a pretty brutal sonofabitch.

Neddy_101   ·  February 20, 2006 5:15 AM

why can't we all just get along?

sarah   ·  February 20, 2006 12:32 PM

killing women and children seems to be the menu for the day for moslems worlwide

allah   ·  February 20, 2006 6:05 PM

February 21st, 2006
>
>Missiles in Jerusalem and Ashkelon, and Jihad against "Global Blasphemy"
>
>With each passing day, terrorism, or the threat of it increases
>substantially. While the world is trying to find a way to deal with Hamas,
>and Hamas pretends to be moderating their position, the true facts on the
>ground speak for themselves.
>
>
>
>Today, Hamas launched several kassam missiles from Gaza and struck the power
>plant in Ashkelon, a costal city that is part of what even the U.N.
>considers sovereign Israeli territory. At the same time the IDF (Israeli
>Defense Forces) captured a terror cell that had acquired military grade
>mortar shells and IDF uniforms, and were about to send a barrage of missiles
>into the southern Jerusalem neighborhoods of Gilo and Har Homa. The
>launching pad was inside Beit Jala, the Christian Arab community from which
>so much machine gun fire emanated at the beginning of this Intifadah. Muslim
>killers break into the homes of these Christians and take them over as a
>base of operations, terrorizing the Arab homeowners and their families, and
>drawing Israeli fire back at the Christian homes leaving them often full of
>bullet holes and worse. After ransacking everything and everyone, they leave
>to return another day, and do the same thing all over again in another Beit
>Jala home.
>
>
>
>Every day there are over 50 credible terrorist alerts in the Jerusalem area
>alone. By the grace of God, the IDF intercepts most of them, but todays
>actions indicate that the Hamas promised third wave of this Intifadah has
>begun in earnest.
>
>
>
>A few days ago, Iranian President Ahmadinejad again threatened the
>existence of Israel, and called on the entire Muslim world to come to the
>aid of Hamas in eradicating the Zionist enemy. He recruited 200 university
>students for the purpose of moving to Gaza and training for suicide missions
>inside Israel. Ahmadinejad said on Monday that the recent victory by the
>Islamist group Hamas in the Palestinian elections brushed aside the Oslo
>Peace Accord and the Roadmap to Peace in the Arab-Israeli conflict, and
>expressed hope that soon all of Palestine will be liberated. Irans
>Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps launched a new recruitment drive for
>suicide bombers in Tehran to fight against Global Blasphemy, more than
>52,000 volunteers for martyrdom-seeking operations have been registered so
>far. A brigadier general in this same Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps
>announced that dozens of trained volunteers for martyrdom-seeking
>operations will soon stage a maneuver in a mountainous area west of the
>Iranian capital to display their readiness.
>
>
>
>Interestingly, new missiles purchased from Russia have a 5000 kilometer
>range, far more than necessary to reach Israel. Considering the emphasis on
>fighting Global Blasphemy, Europe should be asking themselves, at whom
>Iran is planning to point these missiles?
>
>
>
>Ahmadinejad is without question possessed by at least one demon, perhaps a
>legion. He believes god speaks through him, and that he must launch a
>global war in order to bring the Islamic Imam (messiah). He is driven by the
>same madness that drove Hitler.
>
>
>
>In the on again off again Sadaam Hussein trial, a highly placed official in
>the former Iraqi government confessed that Iraqs Weapons of Mass
>Destruction had been moved to Syria prior to the war. That confirms what
>many have suspected all along and vindicates the Bush assertion that such
>weapons existed prior to the invasion. I imagine that the press in the U.S.
>isnt talking about this, I know that the European press is ignoring it.
>What concerns me of course is that these weapons are likely situated in a
>position to be launched at Israel, and the American troops in Iraq.
>
>
>
>Friends, there are not enough hours in the day for me to cover the problems
>brewing in the Middle East and their ramifications for the world. While the
>churches in the west are embroiled in such burning issues as what color the
>carpet in the sanctuary should be, and where to go for pizza night, Islam is
>setting the world on fire, and the European and American governments are
>practicing a politically correct appeasement. This is the exact opposite of
>what should be done, for Islam sees it as weakness and it will fuel their
>Jihad. We give up our freedom of expression and offer up apologies for a few
>cartoons, while the Muslims around the world vow to destroy everything in
>its path. I dont buy the argument of radical versus moderate Islam is a
>satanic religion born in the pit of hell, and you cannot appease the devil.
>The Arab nations today consist of a blend between the offspring of Ishmael
>and Esau (Esau married the daughters of Ishmael) and the Lord says this
>about their ultimate fate, but more precisely describes their nature in the
>book of Amos as follows I will not turn away its (Edoms) punishment
>because he pursued his brother with the sword, and cast off all pity; His
>anger tore perpetually and he kept his wrath forever. Iran of course is not
>ethnically Arab, but they are under the same spiritual bondage of Islam.
>
>
>
>We must understand, the ONLY hope for the Muslim people is salvation through
>the Jewish Messiah, Yeshua. We will never appease them, they are enslaved in
>a culture of death and violence, and they keep their wrath forever,
>perpetually, it will never end unless they are freed by the blood of the
>Lamb. If you know any Muslims, Arab or otherwise, pray for them diligently,
>because they will eventually serve their master, even if they dont intend
>to presently. As the darkness in the earth rises, they will not be able to
>resist the spirit that dwells within them, any more than unregenerate man
>will resist their sinful natures.
>
>
>
>I know many gentle and lovely Arab people, but I also know that in times
>past, Arab neighbors of Jewish families whose children played with each
>other, and who regularly broke bread together rose up and murdered whole
>families of their supposed closest friends to perform their obligation to
>kill the infidels.
>
>
>
>A week or so ago, I visited some friends in a Moslem village who run an
>olive processing plant, and there was a sense of despair in the air. While
>no words were spoken about it, I felt they knew what was coming, and they
>felt hopeless in the face of it. They have their pictures of the Dome of the
>Rock, and Koranic verses proudly displayed next to pictures of Yassir
>Arafat, and while they have had warm relations with Jewish friends for
>decades, they will be compelled to uphold the code of their religion, or be
>killed as traitors if they refuse. This is the reality of life inside the
>Muslim community.
>
>
>
>I wish I could travel to America and speak in church after church, public
>meeting halls, and anywhere that someone might listen in order to sound the
>warning bell, but this newsletter is about as close as I can get to that.
>
>
>
>I would encourage you to share The Israel Report with as many people as you
>can in the days ahead, because Christians need to wake up and realize that
>for the most part, they are the lukewarm church that is about to be spit
>from Gods mouth. I know this is a hard word, and that many will reject it,
>but I live in a nation that has spent years burying their dead as a direct
>result of this enemy being unleashed against us by forced peace agreements,
>and I am telling you that wherever you are, this same enemy is in your
>neighborhood, and he is planning global Jihad, and lukewarm Christianity is
>not going to be effective in the battle that lies ahead.
>
>
>
>As things intensify here in Israel, they will intensify in your world as
>well. I am warning you to prepare, because you wont stop it from coming.
>How do we prepare? By humbling ourselves before the Lord, by interceding on
>behalf of Israel, your country and its leaders, and the poor souls under
>bondage to the enemy.
>
>
>
>The Lord declares that the battle will be won, not by might, nor by power,
>but by His Spirit. His Spirit is love, and He said of Himself that He is
>meek and lowly, and that is the kind of people we are to be. Humble, and
>full of faith and intercession, fighting this battle in the spiritual realm.
>
>
>
>I am not trying to frighten you, but I am trying to alert you to the gravity
>of the situation and to your responsibility to be a warrior for the kingdom
>of God. I feel I must issue wake up calls until the coming of the Lord. You
>were made for this day, to glorify the living God, dont give up the battle,
>dont turn in your heavenly crown for a large screen plasma TV. Run the good
>race and fight the good fight until the end.
>
>
>

other   ·  February 22, 2006 9:11 PM

man...what a messed up posting by "Other". Dude...you are crazy and wacko... Please stay away from you. You are freaking me out. People like you are the time bomb. Just waiting to destroy this peaceful world, except in Middle East. Religion is evil. Either Christian, Muslim or else. Thank God I only know God and don't belong to any religion. Man you people are so messed up. Keep your religion to yourself.

No to religion   ·  February 22, 2006 10:12 PM

all this stuff discussed here is provocing, THE CARTOONS WERE NOT that provocing and try to understand that this is what was being planned for the muslims, now the whole world is against us..........so its all crazy n pls stop abusing our religion as well as any other religion coz we muslims have learned to respect every prophet may it be hazrat eesa (alaih e salaam) or may it be hazrat Moosa (alaihi salaam) n we respect u people crhistians n jews n we have our own ideology u have yr own pls stop fighting..........stop abusing our prophet hazrat Mohammad (peace be upon him) coz it feels bad n we dont need to tell u how it would feel to u if the whole world starts alienating u and hating u for the planned n projected to world FAKE reasons............ppl with all the due respect to all of u..........pls dont think that we r just hateful people we muslims r just another ppl just like u n we dont mean any hatred or anything we just wanna live in peace with ourselves so pls stop talking abt us.........MAY IT BE MUSLIMS OR ANYONE ELSE...........PLS STOP PROVOCING US......WE DONT MEAN TO EVEN INTERFERE WITH YR ANY BUSINESS AT ALL JUST STOP PROVOCING US....N PLS ONE MORE THING IT MIGHT SEEM KOOL TO U BUT IT IS ACTUALLY HURTFUL TO SEE WORDS SUCH AS (if anyone says obscene stuff about yr family would u like that?!!!).....for us Hazoor e Akram (SAW) means family its a request just stop disscusiing this thing with such disrespectful words............THANX A LOT

saba   ·  February 24, 2006 9:51 AM

all this stuff discussed here is provocing, THE CARTOONS WERE NOT that provocing and try to understand that this is what was being planned for the muslims, now the whole world is against us..........so its all crazy n pls stop abusing our religion as well as any other religion coz we muslims have learned to respect every prophet may it be hazrat eesa (alaih e salaam) or may it be hazrat Moosa (alaihi salaam) n we respect u people crhistians n jews n we have our own ideology u have yr own pls stop fighting..........stop abusing our prophet hazrat Mohammad (peace be upon him) coz it feels bad n we dont need to tell u how it would feel to u if the whole world starts alienating u and hating u for the planned n projected to world FAKE reasons............ppl with all the due respect to all of u..........pls dont think that we r just hateful people we muslims r just another ppl just like u n we dont mean any hatred or anything we just wanna live in peace with ourselves so pls stop talking abt us.........MAY IT BE MUSLIMS OR ANYONE ELSE...........PLS STOP PROVOKING US......WE DONT MEAN TO EVEN INTERFERE WITH YR ANY BUSINESS AT ALL JUST STOP PROVOKING US....N PLS ONE MORE THING IT MIGHT SEEM KOOL TO U BUT IT IS ACTUALLY HURTFUL TO SEE WORDS SUCH AS (if anyone says obscene stuff about yr family would u like that?!!!).....for us Hazoor e Akram (SAW) means family its a request just stop disscusiing this thing with such disrespectful words............THANX A LOT

saba   ·  February 24, 2006 9:59 AM

Islam is not what most of muslims represent nowadayz.......it is much more divine and peaceful then that.....n muslims are supposed to convince people by reason n decency n not by violence....so u ppl might hate the violent so called muslims, but hate them n insult them, not Islam or its rules ....... we r not what is shown in these cartoons ok....only outlook might to some extent represent muslims that also is exagerrated.....we r people of peace n reasonability u ppl dont know us at all its only the one negative image of being ignorant n fiery mindless people that is being brought to light n i wonder y is only that aspect being exploited over n over again.......i know y that thing is being used but i just dont wanna discuss that here.....have a nice day n pls dont go around hating people for what u have been told that they r n u havent known or judged by yrself based on reason n facts

saba   ·  February 24, 2006 10:19 AM

its not abt the freedom of speech factor u have freedom of speech agreed upon what is wrong is the impression of muslims further exploited in these cartoons......

for every action there is an equal n opposite reaction

so stop provoking us n we stop getting provoked as simple as that

who took the first step?!!!!

no one can tolerate anything abt their family n u think we should be taking it all without getting offended....once again not the cartoons this forum's comments r offending

saba   ·  February 24, 2006 10:35 AM

most of the people on this forum have said that religion sux n they claim to have no religion for them one thing only..........WITHOUT A RELIGION U R NOTHING LESS THEN A WILD ANIMAL COZ RELIGION IS THE SET OF RULES, REGULATIONS AND RESTRICTIONS WHICH MAKES ONE A HUMAN..........


FROM NOW ON ANIMALS R NOT ALLOWED TO COMMENT HAHAHAHHAHA

THIS IS SUCH A REALITY WHICH WILL PROVOKE U FOR SURE....Y R U GETTING PROVOKED....U R FEELING BAD COZ U R BEING HUMILIATED.....HUMILIATE ANYONE OTHER THEN A HUMAN THAT IS, N SEE WHETHER HE GETS ANNOYED OR NOT....


NOW U INSULT OUR PROPHET N EXPECT US NOT TO GET PROVOKED

UNDERSTAND????

HASAN   ·  February 24, 2006 10:43 AM

God exists...ask yr heart in total lonliness n then try to deny this fact! a human is weak n lonely n his soul is nurtured by the divine power of GOD! so dont deny!...n i have no problem while saying that i m a muslim n God is Allah n holy Prophet (peace be upon him) is the last n final prophet of Allah...coz i have experienced i have witnessed my God's presence in my heart n in my soul n its not the sex offered at the end which keeps us on right path its the love that Allah mian has given to us all our life n when i will be all alone only one power will be with me in my despair n thats my God...yr exploitation means nothing to God it can do no harm to our Prophets place at God's heaven so pls dont think this whole thing is even exploiting....if u want a life a real one try to reach for truth ....

saba   ·  February 24, 2006 11:48 AM

Prophet (peace be upon him) said

"A muslim is only the one, from whose hands and tongue no other person shall get harmed"


so anyone whom uses wrong language or any violent act to get his point across is actually making others hate Islam so that makes him not a muslim

Anonymous   ·  February 24, 2006 12:21 PM

Anybody ever consider that the Koran prohibits all representations of living beings, and eventually they (Muslims) will demand the censorship of all pictures - even their television?

I.B. Wright   ·  February 24, 2006 4:54 PM

God doesn't matter in life. We have all the strength we need within us to be peaceful, calm, etc. All we have to do is look within. We have all the answers inbuilt in us. Just discover each of them through meditation, or whatever method suits us. All that is needed is staying true to oneself. Rest will follow.

HINDU   ·  February 25, 2006 2:29 PM

DENMARK IS THE WORST COUNTRY EVER THEY ARE HARD HEADED STUPID FUCKING RETARDS THAT HAVE A STUPID ACCENT. THEYRE SO FUCKING UGLY NO WONDER NOBODY LIKES THEM. THEY CAN SUCK THEYRE MOTHERS DICKS FOR ALL I GIVE A SHIT!! DENMARK IS THE MOST DISGRACEFUL COUNTRY AND RELIGION THERE IS!! SUCK YOUR BALLS FUCKERS!!!!IM GONNA RIP OPEN THE PRESIDENT OF DENMARK'S DICK IN HALF AND RIP OUT HIS BRAINS AND FORCE HIM TO SAY: US DANISH PEOPLE ARE THE GAYEST,UGLIEST PIECES OF SHIT ON THIS PLANET! WE ARE NEVER RESPECTED BECUZ WE SUCK DICKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hesham   ·  February 25, 2006 7:22 PM

Saba justifies the violent reaction of muslims saying " for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction." Equal and Opposite? An equal and opposite reaction would be to publish a few blasphemous cartoons of the Danes or Jesus, maybe. How many Muslims did the Danish newspaper kill? How many vehicles did it torch? How many embassies did it raid? All it did was publish something offensive to Muslims. It has hurt the feelings of Muslims, but it didn't kill anyone. You don't like the cartoons, you are entitled to protest, boycott, etc. But you can't kill anybody you don't like. If someone says something bad about my mother or my family, I won't like it. Agreed. But I won't go and kill him and his neighbours for that. At the most, I will go and bash him up or try to do that(!). In Hyderabad, a city in South India, where I live, the Muslims took out a procession and got violent with Hindus, people who had nothing at all to do with the cartoons. They torched vehicles, looted shops, and pelted stones at non-Muslims, injuring weak old people and women. Muslims are a minority in India, and if the Hindus here start folowing Saba's action-reaction theory, muslims will be wiped out in 1 day ! It happened once in Gujarat [An Indian State], when Muslims torched a train compartment full of Hindu devotees. The Hindus in Gujarat couldn't take it anymore and set out on a massacre of the Muslims. Hindus are a peace loving set of people, and if Muslims could manage to provoke us, there is something really wrong about them. There are non violent Muslims, I am sure, but the way Islam is being hijacked by the violent Muslims, all the peace loving muslims will be excommunicated or executed. Different religions. We all have a different way of life. But we can live together in the same world. Just have to be tolerant and mature. Violence begets violence. An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind, said Gandhi. Mere cartoons provoking u so much as to murder people, isn't it too violent? What r u going to do about it. The whole world is waiting for an answer. Why is Islam the most hated religion in the world? They pick up fights with even Buddhists [It happened in North India], the most nonviolent of them all !!!

HINDU   ·  February 26, 2006 1:54 AM

Comrade HINDU

I am fully with u and feel same as u. Any muslim frnd would like to explain why of late you guys have started having a dress code like a typical and funny beard , funny sized pants . This dress code was not in fashion 5 years back. Have you all just discovered it in the holy qoran or just was to be in good books of the terrorist TALIBAN.

Jai Shree Ram   ·  February 26, 2006 3:18 AM

9/11 taught all in the USA to hate muslims. And George Bush sucks

RJ   ·  February 27, 2006 2:53 AM

i said it before n i will say it again that islam doesnot need to get justified by people, so nomatter what people calling themselves muslims keep on doing....... that doesnt harm Islam or Allah at all.......n i have already quoted what hazrat Mohammad (Peace be upon him) had said himself that

"A muslim is only the one, from whose hands and tongue no other person shall get harmed"

so the people u r talking abt are not included in muslims n then about the presence of God, i dont know how one can think that he can be the creator of himself by himself too, i think one needs to just think about a lot of things very deeply to justify that God exists or he doesnt....n then what will the muslims do abt the extremists
is the question....about that again we dont have to worry we r answerabale to Allah n he is the one who is the most just and he will not leave anyone of us or u without the desrved reward or punishment....yeah n about us doing the same thing with the ones who r exploiting the religion n all muslims due to the impression of a few,...we cannot do that as in our religion we cannot ever disrespect any prophet of God...what i say is that it would be a request to other people of the world to just try to understand our situation n dont go around blaming our religion due to the ones not practising it rightly......the truth is i myself am a very bad person very sinful n i dont say my prayers regularly even but i do know that i shouldnt do anytrhing due to which my religion is being hated .........yes call me a bad individual but dont call the religion of Allah bad pls

saba   ·  February 27, 2006 5:12 AM

u must be knowing that religion is one of the most impact making factor which has proved itself to be the bigest powers to make divisions n excercise a few decisions(based on personal advantages). it is used as a tool by most of the world leaders always....the very same thing is happening again...in case of extremists it is a few political leaders that would ask the molvis(a few which r not actually enlightened with islam's soul) for their own benefits to raise the army of illiterate people on the name of jehad to do such acts so it is the fault of the leaders and then the molvis due to which every disaster occurs n so many people get harmed....in the name of God people excercise sinful acts......i dont think such people would ever be forgiven for such things...the cartoonist himself has drawn that he is fearful while drawing it n that it would raise such hassles. apart from the sarcasm it showed that he knew what he had been doing then y did he do that?.......then the very same newspaper had refused to publish cartoons based on Jesus (hazrat Eesa alaihisalaam), which was a good decision obviously but then y are there these double standards being practised by the paper?.......donot disrespect any religion in the name of freedom of speech...FREEDOM OF SPEECH doesnt mean disrespecting the whole race for the acts of a few.....making the stereotype of the muslims as violent people more strong

saba   ·  February 27, 2006 5:32 AM

then i m a pakistani n here whenever we switch on the TV, the loved leaders n heroes are aired on all channels giving the messages on doing a peaceful protest n here apart from Lahore all the protests had been peaceful n think about it we have to fight with the corrupt people within ourselves and then the world is also making mockery of us . why should u people look down at Islam when we r doing every thing to keep ourself peaceful as well as fight u guyz to break yr stereotypical image of Muslims. i think the cartoonists has made too much of a hassle already n everyone should think 100 times before exploiting something like this

saba   ·  February 27, 2006 5:42 AM

I believe there is only one positive thing about what happened, which is to prove to the world how the so called "West" is so envious of our religion, and how threatened it feels by muslims. All the westeners know for sure that our religion is the best, the strongest and the most genuine, that's simply why they CANNOT digest our existance...but We are what we ARE and WE EXIST and we know that we are the best whether they like it or not, so I don't think that we have to worry or give it a shit about what they say or their opinion in the first place. It's all ENVY and SPITE...our prophet Mohammed is the god's favored prophets and our religion is THE ONE and ONLY valuable one..so muslims let the dogs bark and let's finish our duty and remain faithful to our creed and also propagate our faith regardless of what they feel, believe or think....

Allahu Akbar

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