I apologize for everything I don't deny (as well as some things I do deny!)

I woke up this morning only to discover that misunderstandings abound!

And some of them come close to touching upon things and concepts near and dear to the heart of this blog.

Particularly startling were some academic remarks (pointed to by Glenn Reynolds) and noted by Juan Non-Volokh:

...Brain Leiter offers this "somewhat tangential comment":
in every society of which I'm aware the vast majority of the preeminent academic figures were, in general, cowards when it came to their own regimes, and apologists for what later generations would see clearly as inhumanity and illegality. This was clear in Germany in the 1930s, as it was in America in the 1950s. There is no reason to think the United States today is any different. (Emphases in original).
While this statement might not equate Nazi Germany with the current regime, it certainly suggests an equivalence between those who failed to oppose Nazism, those who failed to oppose McCarthyism, and those who do not oppose the Bush Administration. Haven't we had enough of these sorts of comparisons?
Apparently not.

In a comment last night, libertarianism came so precariously close to being unfairly compared to Roman gladiatorial events that I had to speak up in its defense. (And I mean in libertarianism's defense!) Here's the relevant portion of the comment:

The "let the idiots kill themselves" approach outlined here is most definitely "Classical" - in that fine tradition of gladiatorial entertainments that involved the "weak" or "foolish" being mauled to the delight of the crowd.
And the relevant portion of my reply:
I fail to see the relevance of gladiatorial entertainment -- which was opposed by many thinking Romans at the time. (Pliny, Seneca, Cicero -- to name three -- all complained.) Throwing innocent people into an arena for entertainment is indefensible by any moral standard that I know of, classical or modern. But even granting for the sake of argument that the Romans were all a bunch of bloodthirsty and sadistic bastards, how does that indict the libertarian view of leaving people alone?
But because (alas!) many readers are likely to miss the comments, I thought this was important enough to issue another one of my pointed reminders that just because this blog proudly and playfully features Roman themes, that does not mean that I agree with every aspect of Roman culture or society. Let me state right now -- again -- that I am against throwing innocent people (or even guilty people) into the arena to engage in combat, or to be slaughtered for entertainment, or for any other reason. Additionally, let me state for the record that I disagree with all the following: slavery, imperialism, torture, genocide, pedophilia, dictatorship, subjugation of women, persecution and oppression of Jews, Christians and other minority religions, unfair and oppressive taxation, demonetization, inflation, government-promoted official superstition, and a whole host of other things of which the Romans were guilty at various times during the many hundreds of years that Rome held sway in the ancient world.

This blog engages in satire, and I enjoy poking fun at modern political and sexual problems, with occasional glimpses from a distant lens.

I'm feeling especially touchy right now because (as Juan Non-Volokh also reports) the same guy (Professor Leiter) is ominously shifting the geographical basis of the "fascist" comparison from Germany to Italy:

There is nothing unreasonable, plainly, in worrying that the Bush Administration and its policies represent the coming of fascism in the above sense to the American landscape (mainstream economists, like Paul Krugman and Brad DeLong, have documented the merger of state and corporate power during the Bush years at length)--but it is perhaps more fascism of the Italian, not Nazi, variety, since it has no racial component.
Vy iss ziss Professor Leiter shifting ze focus avay from ze Germans, anyvay?

Seriously, though, this really makes me paranoid, because Italy is, like really close to Rome! And Rome was, well, a long time ago, it was, um, like, the center of the Roman empire! Thus I'm concerned that because some of these guys who want to shift the focus away from Germany (perhaps, understandably, to avoid confusion because of German-sounding names) that might cause people to think that my blog is (gasp!) fascist oriented!

It doesn't help me much that Benito Mussolini fancied himself to be a sort of modern avatar/revivalist of ancient Rome, does it?

So now I have to deny any connection between fascist Italy and this blog, in addition to denying that I support the things that ancient Rome supported, and it all gets really complicated!

Too much denial to have to face first thing in the morning.

I should probably take back many of the things I've said, but I don't know where to begin.

I should probably start by apologizing for fascism. I also apologize for the Roman games. For slavery too. And for denial! I'm also sorry for everything Bush did which made people mad. Like blowing up the Twin Towers. And invading Afghanistan and Iraq and stuff. And I apologize for attempting to make light of Mussolini. (Twice!)

Certain things go too far, even in humor.

(The darker side of my brain will probably think of other, lighter things eventually....)

UPDATE: As Harvey at IMAO reminded me, I forgot to apologize for lynching. No excuse, really. I just forgot. I'm sorry!

UPDATE: Drilling deeper into Professor Leiter's mental cavities, Juan Non-Volokh (with the help of reader Steven Hamori), finds evidence that the professor might be confused about fascism.

Leiter (like many contemporary commentators and perhaps the editors of the American Heritage Dictionary as well) is confused about the definition of fascism, and misinterprets the oft-repeated Mussolini/Gentile quote that "Fascism should more appropriately be called corporatism because it is a merger of state and corporate power."
Gee. What if fascism properly belongs on the left?

MORE: Clayton Cramer cites Mussolini on collectivism following which he asks a question:

If the nineteenth was the century of the individual (Liberalism means individualism) it may be expected that this one may be the century of "collectivism" and therefore the century of the State.
Is there anything that more clearly identifies where American conservatism and libertarianism differs from Fascism--and where Fascism is most clearly a form of progressivism?

posted by Eric on 06.21.05 at 08:47 AM





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Eric, your ceaseless apologies are tedious. You should apologize for that.

John   ·  June 21, 2005 10:49 AM

The way I see it, I can't be too sorry.

You seem to think my apologies are sorry ones. Others, however, may deem my apologies to be not sorry enough!

So either way, yes, I should -- and do -- apologize for my apologies.

But in logic, can it really end there?

Eric Scheie   ·  June 21, 2005 11:02 AM

Dear Eric:

Perhaps you should write an Apologia Pro Vita Sua as did Cardinal John Henry Newman.

Mussolini had nothing on Hitler. Had he not foolishly aligned with Hitler during the Second World War, had he even merely remained neutral as did Franco, he would hardly be remembered at all or even remembered much more kindly than he is today. "Fascist" would not today's favorite dirty word with that other "F" word, would not be regarded as synonymous with "Nazi". Mussolini did not preach the superiority of "the Nordic race" (what Italian, descendant of the Roman Empire and the Renaissance, could possibly believe in that nonsense?) nor hatred of the Jews, and I know of no Italians who were hanged at Nuremburg. Hannah Arendt, in her The Origins of Totalitarianism, notes that the majority of those charged with political crimes in Mussolini's courts were acquitted, inconceivable in either Hitler's Germany or in Stalin's Russia, where you were guilty merely by being born. I would not want to live in Mussolini's dictatorial state nor do I admire his invasion of Ethiopia, but I do want to set the historical record straight here.

A fortiori with "McCarthyism". Senator McCarthy never murdered anybody, never imprisoned anybody, never sent federal agents into anybody's home. All he did was name several Communists in our government disastrously influencing our foreign policy (Owen Lattimore chief among them) and got a few of them removed. He may have had an abrasive personality, but so do many bus drivers. In a comment in Dean's World, I challenged anybody there to name one Supreme Court case which held that Senator McCarthy had violated one Constitutional right, or even a case brought against him by the ACLU. The only thing somebody could come up with was a dictum written well after his death by Justice Hugo Black alluding to "the McCarthy era".

As to professors speaking out against tyranny, how many of those crying "McCarthyism!" were speaking out against Stalin or Mao at the time? How many of those denouncing President Bush and equating him with Hitler are speaking out against Castro? or even against the ayatollahs of Iran (who don't even call themselves Marxists and who surpass those professors' worst nighmares about Pat Robertson)?

Oh, and, by the way, once again -- the styles of the titles of your posts!

I think the Romans are getting a bad rap here, comparatively speaking. Let's look at public entertainments of a post-Classical nature. All of the following activities were practiced by decent Christian nations at one time or another, some rather frequently. Many were thought to be both edifying and humorous, decent family fare to enliven a dull day.

Bull baiting

Bear baiting

Cock fighting

Heretic burning

Witch burning

Sodomite burning

Anal impalement

Drawing and quartering

Breaking on the wheel

Exposure by gibbet

Gelding of young boys

Immurement

Pressing

Drowning

Judicially sanctioned amputation

Public beheading

Stoning

Racking

Blinding

I could go on, but surely the point is made?
When a 17th century ten year old could be hung for stealing loaves of bread, can we really say that "Classical Values" were unusually uncaring?
Let's ask Oliver Twist.

J. Case   ·  June 24, 2005 11:50 AM


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