If martial virtues are not civic virtues, we all lose....

I haven't had as much time as I would like for blogging lately, but there's a particularly good post by Professor Bainbridge which merits attention. He begins by quoting G. K. Chesterton on the ancients, and correctly concludes,

Chesterton's point is that the evils of militarism tend to arise when the martial vitues cease to be civic virtues. Alternatively, I suppose, the disconnect between martial and civic virtues may put a society in the position of, say, late Roman Gaul, powerless to resist the engulfing tide. Either way, while not claiming there are easy answers, I would claim that the growing disconnect between the martial and civic virtues is cause for grave concern. (Via Glenn Reynolds.)
I couldn't agree more about the importance of martial virtues as civic virtues (the loss of which were a major reason for Rome's decline), and I like Bainbridge's conclusion -- an exhortation from George Washington about the importance of "elevat[ing] the minds of the youth in the paths of virtue and honor."

The ancients, and George Washington are in accord not only with each other, but with common sense.

Instead of taking George Washington's insights seriously, the attacks on George Washington have intensified in recent years to an all time high. Even schools bearing the name Washington are being renamed!

George Washington, and all the virtues he embodies, has been downgraded to the point where students are taught that he is less important than Marilyn Monroe.
http://home.earthlink.net/~amhist/id1.html

Washington is constantly attacked as a slave owner, as if that's all that matters. Never mind that in freeing his own slaves, he showed he was ahead of his time.

The Romans and the Greeks owned slaves too. They were white and they are dead. But their virtues are eternal, and are no more discredited by the eventual abolition of slavery than Washington's or Jefferson's.

Jefferson was a slave holder too, and he engaged in cock-fighting. To say that these things make his immortal views on freedom incorrect is more than illogical. It makes me wonder whether the real agenda is to destroy freedom.

Why aren't Marx and Lenin attacked as dead white males? How many did Stalin and Mao force into "progressive" slavery? Their war wasn't against dead white men, or even slaveholders per se. The belief in freedom -- and in such virtues as courage and honor (without which freedom cannot be preserved) -- were what had to go, to be destroyed by any means necessary.

I'm with the ancients on this one -- as well as George Washington.

posted by Eric on 06.02.04 at 07:24 PM





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Terrific! I love the Chesterton quote. I have that book "Heretics", of course. One of the best books ever written, one of the first things I ever read by Chesterton, one of the books that made me fall in love with his _STYLE!_ Profound and true. If America ever ceases to be the home of the brave, she will be turned into the land of the slave.

By the way, I've thought this for some time: If those who so sanctimoniously condemn Washington, Jefferson, and the ancient Greeks and Romans for owning slaves had themselves been born into the slave-owning classes back then, would they have refrained from owning slaves? I think not. Hypocrites. And not even fit to lick the shoes of the ancients or our Founding Fathers.

What happens when civic virtues fall below the standards of martial virtues? If you listen to the loudest among us, civic is no longer civil and virtues are no longer correct behaviour. If it wants to be done, and three or more humans want to do it then it's an entitlement, classical virtuous or not. We resemble a leaking hourglass. Empires no longer fall, they erode. Those who would be our enemies need only to patiently pick at our scabs an wait for the infection to spread.

RD   ·  June 4, 2004 07:20 AM

Don't worry, Eric: If the kids have no idea who Washington is, they probably don't know who Marx and Lenin are, either.

Most Americans learn problem-solving skills in high school, core knowledge at university, and old-fashioned "horse sense" in their mid- to late-20s.

Timothy Hulsey   ·  June 5, 2004 01:09 AM

P.S. to RD: Allowing individuals to do as they please as long as their actions harm no one, is also a civic virtue. It's commonly known as "self-restraint."

Timothy Hulsey   ·  June 5, 2004 01:11 AM


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