Right leaning Libertarian socialist orgy?

A guy named "Gary" came up with a couple of real classics today.

The comment he left to Dr. Helen's post on gay marriage is too rich to ignore:

Gary :
Dr. Helen states in part: "First, let me start by saying that I am for gay marriage. As a right-leaning libertarian, I believe that people should be able to enter into whatever relationship they wish with other competent adults without state intervention. If men want to marry other men and women want to marry other women, have at it."

"Right leaning Libertarian" that just another label for just another Bed-wetting, bleeding-heart socialist with a difference you spending your tax dollars. What she is saying is "have at it"-a "competent" adult father could marry a competent adult daughter or daughter"s" or a competent adult mother could marry a competent adult son or son"s" or a woman could marry 10 men or 10 women, or you choose the senario. This woman is just another elitist from some Socialist Indoctrinated University. Take advise from this person at your own risk. Conservatives beware.

As might be expected, this generated considerable debate.

Commenter "Elitist Bedwetter" called it "a good illustration of the dangers of inbreeding."

"Gary" replied:

Sorry I didn't proofread for the highbrow.

I feel good knowing I hit the bullseye. Try 'Liberal'tarian-the swap wives and husbands highbrow society.

Wow. I had no idea that Dr. Helen was into swapping out herself and Glenn. If this were true, why would both Glenn and Helen provide links to the charge? Wouldn't they would want to keep such a thing quiet?

It puts a whole new face on socialism, although I have to wonder how Dr. Helen is going to square it with what she said in her Norm Geras interview:

What would you do with the UN? > Dismantle it.

What do you consider to be the main threat to the future peace and security of the world? > From each according to his ability, to each according to his need.

Hmmm..... I don't see how dismantling the UN will help promote socialism (to say nothing of husband and wife swapping), and normally we think of the latter statement as involving Marxist economics, not sex.

I'm inclined to think that "Gary" might have a bit of 'splainin to do, although I'd still like to know more about the "swap wives and husbands highbrow society" -- especially Dr. Helen's involvement in it. If there's anything to this, a lot of people might suddenly be very interested in joining the right leaning libertarian socialist movement.

However, I've been reading Dr. Helen's blog since she started it, and while I can't say I've read every single word and noticed every last detail, I think I'd have noticed something like that.

But I'll try to follow this argument out. Maybe there's a concern that heterosexual marriage will be dragged down some sort of slippery, "sexual socialist" slope. Does advocating homosexual marriage lead to heterosexual husband and wife swapping?

Has a study been done?

If it turns out that Gary is right, then it's not the emerging Nanny State we should be worried about, but the coming Orgy State!

MORE: It occured to me that terms like "right leaning libertarian socialism" and "swap wives and husbands highbrow society" are a little busy, and I thought I would try to simplify things by using the word "Orgytarian." But Google thinks the word "Orgytarian" should be "vegetarian." What's up with that? "Nannytarian" is a word.

So why not "Orgytarian"?

I haven't asked Gary or his people (whoever they may be), but you'd think both sides could agree that "Orgytarian" beats having to say "the right leaning libertarian socialist/swap wives and husbands highbrow society."

Anything to promote better dialogue, I say!

MORE: While I hesitate to depart from the topic of libertarian socialist orgy-mongering, Randy Barnett's post about radical libertarian war supporters (which Glenn linked earlier) has left me grasping for words!

I probably need to do some serious soul searching, because like Randy Barnett (and along with Glenn and Helen), I would have to consider myself solidly in the libertarian war supporters' camp.

But for terminology purposes, how are we supposed to fit "war" into the "right leaning libertarian socialist/swap wives and husbands highbrow society"?

The "right-leaning libertarian-socialist war-supporting wife-and-husband swapping highbrow society"?

Nah, I don't like that, because then I'd have to change the title of this post to "Right Leaning Libertarian Socialist War Orgy" and I don't like changing post titles.

I do see a clear conflict, though, between the Right Leaning Libertarian Socialist War Orgy Machine and a certain 1960s idea based on a false dichotomy, and recently resurrected in France:


I thought instead of changing the whole title of this post, I'd just change the valentine to suit the orgy warriors:


Or would that be war orgiers?

Either way, they're not a new idea, although in some places orgy warriors (at least their torsos) are to be "endured with sullen solemnity."

What, you think I'm smiling or something?

UPDATE: My thanks to Dr. Helen for the link!

posted by Eric on 07.20.07 at 01:26 PM


DAMN! Glenn is one lucky guy.

mdmhvonpa   ·  July 20, 2007 2:40 PM

Personally I have all the mate swapping I can handle.

Every day I wake up in bed with some one different. Myself.

M. Simon   ·  July 20, 2007 6:04 PM

We agree M.Simon, you are definitely different... (-:

vivictius   ·  July 21, 2007 12:11 AM

Now how does this Dr. Helen (I'm assuming is female) rectify with the feminists ideal that people do not need a marriage license to prove their love?

I am perplexed, thirty years of feminist activism is now being condemned by gay activism; according to gays people do need a marriage license to prove their love which is the oppose of what feminists have advocated.

What a quagmire.

The problem with this artifically manufacture lifestyle shit is that it has no substance or meaning. Who am I to believe, the gay or the feminists?

Just wait until science somehow manages to identify the 'gay gene' then libertarian leaning whatever will see a real war waged between the feminists and the gayists over the battle to define the meaning of what 'is' is and which grouping is held highest on the political identity totem pole.

syn   ·  July 21, 2007 9:04 AM

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