Only Social Conservatives

In the last hour or so (see update) I have gotten some evidence to support my position so I thought a cross post was in order.


I see a lot of this phrase (or similar) "only social conservatives can be fiscal conservatives" in comments on various posts around the 'net. Cynthia Yockey has an answer to that:When I view the conservative movement I see it as being comprised of four ideological groups gathered in a tent so large that two of the groups have mutually exclusive goals:

1. Fiscal conservative, social liberal
2. Fiscal conservative, social conservative (when OUT of power, fiscal promises dominate; when IN power, social vendettas dominate and the majority of fiscal promises are scheduled for the indefinite future, aka, in your dreams)
3. Libertarians
4. Social conservative, fiscal liberal -- for some reason, this group is usually shy about announcing its full identity and prefers to style itself as "compassionate" rather than liberal.
I have a sneaking suspicion it is the dominance of groups 2 and 4 in the conservative movement that is responsible for government growing even when conservatives are in power.I think that #1 and #3 are identical philosophically.

And of course libertarians and Libertarians are staunch fiscal conservatives. Not real conservatives so I'm told. Which makes my point.

I'd also like to know what is fiscally conservative about supporting the Drug War which makes it easier for kids to get an illegal drug than a legal beer and costs (Federally) $25 billion a year. Wouldn't it be wise to save the $25 billion a year ($70 billion Federal, State, and local) AND make those drugs as hard to get as a beer? We can do that with a legalization regime modeled after beer distribution.

Update: 12 Feb 2011 2348z

Charles Blow of the New York times (yeah, I know) catalogs recent legislative events supporting Cynthia's point #2.

Cross Posted at Power and Control

posted by Simon on 02.12.11 at 07:05 PM


Group #4 listed are known in Europe as Christian Democrats, which is a much better and more honest descriptor of that groups ideology and beliefs.

Janet C   ·  February 12, 2011 8:30 PM

only social conservatives can be fiscal conservatives

I keep reading this too, yet the proponents do not explain how it works; they just keep repeating it.

I might as well try to figure it out.

The logic seems to be that if you have immoral or unapproved sex, you lose the ability to save money or live within your means. Perhaps it's a sort of Neo-Freudian view that sex is akin to money, and that looseness with one equals looseness with the other.

Moral bankruptcy (sexual spending) means economic bankruptcy (wasting money).

Years ago, masturbation was thought of as akin to asset wasting, so in a way I can understand the argument. Looseness with sex = looseness with money! Depletion of sperm = depletion of the money supply!

Is it that simple?

Who knew?

Eric Scheie   ·  February 13, 2011 12:19 AM

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