AssOfSpazzHQ banned me (and from Confederate Yankee and My Pet Jawa) because I complained about him (her)? constantly setting up stealth traffic drivers for his paramours, Sullivan and Johnson.

I can stop reading blogs that waste my time with those two, but please (continue to) be3 honest about it so I can take you off the must read list. (AOSHQ will probably tell you that I was "warned" and that I dumptede him and kept coming back because of people think what he (AOSHQ) says is important.

I have finally figured out where he cribs most of his stuff from so that is not a big loss.

Losing original thought from CY and MPJ hurts, and it would hurt if Sullivan (or Johnson, or both) take over here.

I guess I did not answer the question asked: What would people have me do?".

I would have you do nothing. Don't read him. If you must read him, don't tell us about it. If you must tell us about it, be up front about it--don't wrap pointers in stealth so we too help you drive his traffic up.

He has nothing useful to say, and if it appears that he does, it is not believable.

The ONLY way to deal with trolls is to bury them in silence. Don't give his drool undeserved credit by discussing it, and for heaven's sake, don't let him brag about the traffic he "draws".

You know--my answer to the "homosexual problem" is really close to what I wrote above (and the fact that I was talking about one or more queers there is irrelevant now in this piece).

I don't like every meal, every church service, every meeting on any topic what so ever, every quiet walk through the part or what ever, every aspect of MY life to be taken over by people dry humping (or worse), talking about dry humping (or worse), swapping spit, taking a shit, ..... the list is pretty long.

There is just a number of things that for one reason or another ought not to inflicted on non-willing participants. Included in that long long list are a lot of things I very much enjoy doing.

Just not in public. And surely there are other things to talk about.

Sorry, but as this is my blog, I reserve the right to say whatever it occurs to me to say, about whoever I want.

BTW, I don't ban commenters, and I am fascinated by your statement that "it would hurt if Sullivan (or Johnson, or both) take over here."

It would hurt me too, but what's up that I don't know? Are they planning to take over here?

I would hate to think there's a coup pending and no one told me.

I haven't been in the mood to blog lately, but Larry's almost inspired me enough to post a few links to Sullivan and Johnson.

The fundamental problem inherent in criticizing communism is that one must first pretend it has any validity whatsoever.

The petty resentments that underly all of its sophistries are themselves invalid.

Communism (and its analogues): A systematic delusional world-view comprised of unworkable ideas, founded on flawed assumptions, derived from misplaced blame, motivated by hate, masquerading as humanitarianism.

I have no strong reason to believe that Hitler had sex with men, but this quote:

"homosexuality... had destroyed ancient Greece he said. Once rife, it extended its contagious effects like an ineluctable law of nature to the best and most manly of characters, elimination from the reproductive process those very men on whose offspring a nation depended. The immediate result of the vice, however, was that unnatural passion swiftly became dominant in public affairs if it were allowed to spread unchecked"

would certainly -- if about anyone alive today -- be seen as evidence of latent homosexuality.

Over the years I have had a number of gay Jewish friends.

Proof positive Hitler was a gay and Jewish. Or something.

Larry,

Would that be one hump or two? Camels that is.

I don't really have a dog in this particular fight but I would point out that it is a rookie mistake in studying the history of the Nazis to say that, "The Nazis believed in X..."

Beyond the idea of Germanic racial superiority and the threat of a global Jewish conspiracy, the Nazis did not have a centralized ideology such as that held by Stalin's Soviet Union. Instead, the Nazis were a loose hodgepodge collection weird ideas. Each major Nazi leader had his own ideological fiefdom within the 3rd Reich with his own ideas and practices. Most of which did not have the approval of Hitler.

For example, Hitler thought Himmler's fascination with archeology and racial history was silly. He warned that Himmler's overuse of ritual threatened to descend into "medieval mysticism". He let Himmler have his little fiefdom because it served Hitler's own purposes.

Ernst Rohm's homosexual clique at the top of the SA fit this pattern. It was Rohm's own little fiefdom that Hitler tolerated while he was useful and then used it against him when the SA proved a threat to Hitler himself. If Rohm hadn't poised a threat and had been more of a lapdog like Himmler, Rohm's homosexual clique most likely would have survived to the downfall of the Reich itself.

As a consequence of these fiefdoms, you can find some Nazis that believed in almost any non-traditional idea. (It almost as if the population of Berkeley, CA all suddenly started wearing funny costumes and invaded Nevada.) By projecting the ideas of one fiefdom onto the entire Nazi regime, a sloppy person can claim that the "Nazis" believed in almost new idea of the 20th century.

The cynical approach to homosexuality also happened in the Soviet Union. Externally, the Soviets actively recruited homosexuals and other non-traditional types because of their alienation from traditional society. Homosexuals and promiscuous heterosexuals were wildly overrepresented in the Communist in the free-world. Internally, however, the Soviets regarded homosexuality as a capitalist perversion and sentenced homosexuals to life in the Gulags when they weren't killed outright.

Because of this cynical use of homosexuality by totalitarian regimes, you can't say anything about the relationship of homosexuality to modern tyranny one way of the other. Homosexuals are just another group to be exploited when useful and disposed of when not.

Shannon, that is one of the wisest observations I have seen on the subject.

Eric, I've read a paper written by the OSS (the precursor to the CIA) and
published internally in the U.S. government in 1943 (or maybe it was 1944).
They interviewed over 2,000 people who personally knew Adolf Hitler. Most
of these people believed Hitler was homosexual. Some more or less implied
that they knew from personal experience. According to this paper, Hitler
was a gay prostitute for seven years at a specific address (that I can not
recall) in Vienna, Austria, at or around the time that he was an art student.

As I understand it your argument for Hitler not being homosexual is
that he persecuted homosexuals once he became the supreme leader of Germany.
For a normal human being this would seem strong evidence. But I
would argue that Hitler was highly disturbed and not at all normal.

For the first example, Hitler was apparently disliked by his parents and
siblings with the exception of one sister. This sister, who did feel an
affinity for Hitler, sent her teenage daughter to his care in the 1920s.
There's some reason to believe that Hitler sexually abused and even tortured
his niece; regardless, she committed suicide in his apartment.

For the second example, Hitler, like most German men of his age, fought
in World War I. His unit fought on the front lines and as a war measures
time it was for a long time. For most men this would be the most intense
and disturbing and exciting experience of their life and they would form
stronger bonds with a least some of the other men in the unit than they
would ever experience again for the rest of their lives.

After the war was over Hitler accused the other men of conspiring against
the government and the entire unit, with the exception of Hitler, was
executed.

As a third example, well, I give the "Night of Long Knives." The National
Socialist German Workers Party was, for much of it's existence, a fairly
small group of people. The core group pretty much lived together for ten
years. It was precisely this group that the "Night of Long Knives" targeted.
This isn't some little fringe faction of the Nazi party that Hitler tried
to wipe out; it was with the exception of Goebbels, all of Hitler's
long-term associates.

I think there's a pattern here. And that Hitler's persecution of homosexuals
fits right in.

As to what all this signifies, I don't know. I suspect that the above is
the truth and that the evidence to support it was once fairly abundant.
I also suspect that piece by piece what evidence remains is being
deliberately erased. I think it's a good example of how history becomes
bunk, because really matters is what the politically powerful want people
to believe.

I don't think there's any deep message here about the evils of homosexuality,
although doubtless many will take it to be such. For whatever reason, but
as an empirical observation, I suspect that in many cultures in many different
times and places, and for different ideologies, a disproportionate percentage
of the politically powerful have been gay.

The quoted here...

I just don't understand why you seem to feel the need to discuss the ranting of someone who morally and intellectually seems to be the match for Rev. Phelps. It seems like a waste of time, and its not like you could have a discussion with him - I've tried. Because I enjoy reading your posts, I'd just rather have your take on someone without a fixation on Ms. Palin's uterus. I normally just skip those if I see his name in the title and I'd never click the link.

Very good comment Shannon.

Maybe it's like a car wreck...You just can't help but look...

But, I'm sure glad you do the reading so I can just read what you write about the abyss,it gives me vertigo.

(Sorry for such a flip comment after Shannon's so astute one!)

I found the Jon Stewart video to be mostly meh, as usual. Making the choir laugh.

What most amused me was the following (sincere) Scott Lively quote: "[Hitler's] inner circle was always filled with homosexuals."

I shall now get my mind out of the gutter.

Sullivan isn't that much of an enigma. I've followed him since he was an arch enemy of the Clintons, back when he was friends with Jonah Goldberg and his mother. The man is someone whose inner conflict was resolved as he embraced Catholicism at the expense of his professed conservatism and abandoned any pretense of championing freedom. The final "betrayal" was his endorsement of Obama.
He is now nothing more than a statist hack - a kind of court jester who is so self-delusional that he actually believes Obama is conservative, and Trig Palin is the product of what, an Immaculate Conception?

Mark, do you have a link to that particular OSS report? The OSS reports I've read discuss mostly Hitler's rather disgusting relationship with Geli Raubal.

http://www.dredmundforster.info/karl-kroners-report-compiled-by-an-unnamed-oss-officer

I'm not a Hitler scholar but I suggest reading Ron Rosenbaum's analysis here:

http://www.slate.com/id/2059222/

Calling Hitler gay based on allegations that he may have prostituted himself with guys when he was a young Bohemian is like calling Saddam Hussein gay because was alleged to have been a male prostitute in his youth. Or Charles Manson (who is reported to have raped fellow inmates as a youth). All were psychopaths, and even if they did these things they might have meant very little to them at the time.

I don't think psychopaths who have homosexual sex simply when it strikes them to do that are necessarily gay -- not unless they express an actual preference.

Once again, it is possible that Hitler was a repressed homosexual, but it has certainly not been proven.

I think the assertions that he was gay are ridiculous.

Eric, I found and read that OSS paper on the internet about fifteen
years ago. I looked for it again some years later and found that the
CIA had moved it behind a paywall. That is you could no longer read
it for free but you could buy the document.

I'm pretty sure I have the name of the document on a computer about
150 miles from where I am right now. Maybe I'll drop you a note
on the subject about a week from now.

In a way, it's kind of amazing that you haven't heard of this document.
I don't mean you personally because I realize the paper is obscure
and as far as I can see never mentioned. But if one is interested in the
subject of where Hitler came from, then it seems remarkable that this paper
isn't near the top of the list of relevant evidence given the tens of
thousands of civil servant man-hours that were spent finding and interviewing
these people, and given that the document is full of direct quotes.

The anonymous document you reference is interesting and has something
of the same flavor of the much longer document I mention above.
In both cases I suspect the author or lead author is a psychiatrist. If
I recall correctly, Otto Strasser, mentioned in the document you reference,
is quoted extensively in the OSS paper I've been talking about. If I recall
correctly Otto Strasser was a long-time nazi, part of the inner-core group,
and may have been, by his account, intimately associated with Hitler for
many years. By intimate, I don't mean gay, though who knows what one
is supposed to read between the lines, but one of the people that used
to watch over Hitler at night because they were afraid he might commit
suicide or to prevent him from getting too depressed, or God knows what
exactly. I believe Otto Strasser was one of the people targeted in the
"Night of Long Knives," but was tipped off and somehow fled to Canada.

On the question of what is or is not homosexuality, I don't have a strong
opinion. Personally, I think that if a male finds himself having sex with
other males over and over again, then he's homosexual or at least bisexual.
But then again, I may not know what I'm talking about. I've no doubt
that my opinions about many things are erroneous, though which exactly
are the erroneous ones I'm not too clear about.

I echo the approval of Shannon's cautionary comment.

As to Hitler or any Nazi being homosexual, closeted, homophobic, whatever. Context is critical. People avenging humiliation might choose homosexual rape (or being victims) for rather non-sexual reasons related to shame. There was certainly plenty of humiliation to go around in post-WWI Germany, of a type and intensity not easily understood in American culture. Trying to draw conclusions about Nazi homosexuality from a base of 2010 American gay perspective is just too far a stretch. Similarly, drawing conclusions about homosexuality in general on the basis of German 1915-45 data is likely impossible. Any of the posited theories might, of course, be true on the basis of other evidence. But that particular data set is too muddied to be useful.

The meaning of lots of things changes under intense or bizarre circumstances, not just sexual behavior.

http://www.defendthefamily.com/pfrc/books/pinkswastika/html/the_pinkswastika_4th_edition_-_final.htm

AVI, to choose an ace-ism:

I had sex with that guy, not in a gay way but Like a Viking!

I'm not an expert on the terminology, but has anyone considered the possibility that Hitler was an ex-gay? Or is it necessary for the ex-gay to publicly call himself an "ex-gay" in order to qualify?